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New Disclosures on Benghazi - Part II

The theory I heard is that, somehow, the existence of a terrorist group in Libya would have damaged Obama's election chances, whereas the existence of an angry mob that grew so out of control that they killed four people over a movie would make the administration look much better.
Yes, that's the narrative. Of course no one checked to see if the voting public used such trivia to base their votes on.

Jeb! crashed and burned after repeating the myth that GW "kept us safe". Do you honestly think that was a campaign slogan of Obama's? He ended terrorism?

I can't pretend to understand the American electorate. After all, they just nominated Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Nothing they do makes sense to me. However, it never made much sense to me that the administration would cover up a terrorist attack by blaming it on an internet inspired angry mob.

I guess that's what their focus groups told them to say, but it never made much sense to me.
Maybe because it didn't happen.

Did Obama campaign on the idea he ended terrorism? Kept America safe? Was this a major platform of his?

The Republicans were projecting (they still are). Since their candidates promised faux protection from all those Islamo[insert fear mongered slogan here] surely Obama must be using the same fear mongering propaganda. Ergo Obama can be criticized for failing to 'keep us safe' while pretending to. The only problem is that was not something Obama was doing. Or if he was it was a minor campaign platform, certainly not a pivotal one that needed elaborate coverups of terrorist attacks.

Look at GW. He claims he kept us safe after 9-11 because all the attacks on Americans occurred outside of the US. Talk about a cover up.
 
Lolz, the thing I do remember is how you claimed it was not ansar al sharia after I posted proof time and again that it was ansar al sharia and it was ansar al sharia and that Hillary and the Administartion knew it was ansar al sharia before ansar al sharia attacked the annex and that the talking points memo was written to show that it was not a failure of policy, except that of course it was.

No, what you were doing was using the benefit of hindsight colored by your intense dislike of Clinton, when the situation in the immediate days and weeks after the attack was not nearly as clear and straightforward.

It was the FBI who said not to mention ansar al sharia because they knew it was ansar al sharia.

The CIA's first draft, before any other department touched the memo, said that "initial press reporting" linked Ansar al-Sharia to the attack but that the group issued a statement denying responsibility for it, and that "based on currently available information [...] the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo".

EDIT: We went over all this in exhaustive detail three years ago, 16.5, in this thread's predecessor.
 
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No, what you were doing was using the benefit of hindsight colored by your intense dislike of Clinton, when the situation in the immediate days and weeks after the attack was not nearly as clear and straightforward.



The CIA's first draft, before any other department touched the memo, said that "initial press reporting" linked Ansar al-Sharia to the attack but that the group issued a statement denying responsibility for it, and that "based on currently available information [...] the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo".

EDIT: We went over all this in exhaustive detail three years ago, 16.5, in this thread's predecessor.

No, it was ansar al sharia. It was ansar al sharia on the day of the attack, it was ansar al sharia when state told Egypt and Libya it was ansar al sharia , it was ansar al sharia when you were arguing otherwise three years ago.

We know now that Hillary knew it was ansar al sharia when Susan rice lied through her teeth that it was spontaneous non existent protest.

They lied.
 
Remember, only Godless, America-hating secret Muslims call an attack an "act of terror". Real, true, patriotic Jesus-loving Americans use the term "act of terrorism" instead.

Oh! Look who is back!

Remember when you polluted this forum with your claims that it was not ansar al sharia?

But it was ansar al sharia? It was a muslim terrorist group? and hillary clinton knew it was ansar al sharia before those *********** scumbags killed Americans at the annex?

Remember?

I think you mis-spelled "Hey, welcome back. How are you doing?"
 
Even when their own guys can't find evidence of crime or wrong doing, they still insist there was........
 
All you have to do is cut and paste any part of the quote you want to keep.

That is not an option on Tapatalk. The quote box disappears, so there is nothing to cut from to paste.


The quote function is there for a reason. It's makes it clear who is saying what.

A wall of italics text is not the normal convention for a reason. It's confusing. Either we all use italics or we all use the quote function. It's stupid to have multiple conventions.

This is an international forum, of course we're going to have multiple conventions. We can't even agree how to spell center/centre or color/colour!
 
Even when their own guys can't find evidence of crime or wrong doing, they still insist there was........
That just proves that Obama and Hillary were successful in their coverup. Clearly we need another investigation to get to the bottom of it.
 
Yes, that's the narrative. Of course no one checked to see if the voting public used such trivia to base their votes on.

Jeb! crashed and burned after repeating the myth that GW "kept us safe". Do you honestly think that was a campaign slogan of Obama's? He ended terrorism?

Maybe because it didn't happen.

Did Obama campaign on the idea he ended terrorism? Kept America safe? Was this a major platform of his?

The Republicans were projecting (they still are). ...

I hadn't thought about that last part. I think that seems correct.

To 16.5 et al:

In the Republican accounts that accompanied the release of the report, the narrative was that the administration covered up the involvement of the terrorists because it would have been an embarrassment and a demonstration that their Libya policy was flawed. Libya was supposed to be the "crowning jewel" of Hillary Clinton's foreign policy approach, (that's a quote from some of the Republican analysis of the report) but the terrorist attack destroyed that narrative, so the administration covered it up. That's how the anti-Clinton line goes.

The problem is that it doesn't make any sense. Let's compare the implications of the two narratives.

Option 1: Terrorist attack by organized terror group.

If that is what happened, it would mean that isolated militant groups opposed to democracy, the United States, and western values were trying to take advantage of the departure of Khaddafi in order to impose their backward, tyrannical, theocracy on the people of Libya. We must redouble our efforts to support the fledgling democratic movements trying to become established in Libya.

Option 2: Violent protest by angry mob

The nation of Libya is full of crazy people who hate us. We have no business being there. Get out and let them deal with their own craziness.


In other words, the Republican narrative would mean that Obama/Clinton invented a much worse story in order to cover up a story that fit very well with their own foreign policy vision.

It never made a lick of sense to me, during the campaign of 2012, or in the four years since. SkepticGinger's explanation gives me some insight into why the GOP might push the narrative, though. The conservative approach to Islamic terrorism puts everything in terms of war, and the existence of the group seems a little like a lost battle. If terror attacks still happen, it means we aren't winning the war.

It's an interesting narrative, but I think SG is right about it being projection. I don't think it reflects the way the left thinks. It certainly doesn't reflect the way I think.



By the way, I still think there was much incompetence in the handling of the situation, but I don't buy into the cover-up version of events. To do so would require a belief that the administration covered up a bad story with a worse one. I also don't believe that the Secretary of State had significant responsibility for the military activity on the night of the attack, although I would be willing to listen to evidence that she did.
 
Even when their own guys can't find evidence of crime or wrong doing, they still insist there was........

That just proves that Obama and Hillary were successful in their coverup. Clearly we need another investigation to get to the bottom of it.

Indeed. Can this thread be moved to the Conspiracy Theory section, now/again?
 
There is one thing. I don't think we've uncovered who, among the Libyan terrorists, was contributing to the Clinton foundation.
 
No, it was ansar al sharia. It was ansar al sharia on the day of the attack, it was ansar al sharia when state told Egypt and Libya it was ansar al sharia , it was ansar al sharia when you were arguing otherwise three years ago.

We know now that Hillary knew it was ansar al sharia when Susan rice lied through her teeth that it was spontaneous non existent protest.

Even the CIA didn't know that it was Ansar al-Sharia at the time. And it was the CIA that believed the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by protests over the video.

Blaming Clinton and Rice for going with what the CIA thought at the time, rather than what you knew years later is straight-up partisan politics, unfettered by reality.
 
Just checking to see if there are any new disclosures today....

Yes. Turns out the real coverup was for the CIA annex. They were doing special renditions and torture. The whole Benghazi charade is just a coverup for some extremely embarrassing stuff the CIA was up to at the black site down the road.

Stay tuned. (Tomorrow I'll be undisclosing this disclosure, so keep it under your hat.)
 
Even the CIA didn't know that it was Ansar al-Sharia at the time. And it was the CIA that believed the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by protests over the video.

Blaming Clinton and Rice for going with what the CIA thought at the time, rather than what you knew years later is straight-up partisan politics, unfettered by reality.

no they didn't.

The good news is that the State Department knew it was ansar al sharia, and that there was no protest outside the facility.

But they sure wanted you to know that the attack which was caused by a failure in policy was not caused by a failure in policy.

So they sent Susan Rice to lie and lie and lie.
 

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