Corbyn's days (very) numbered?

ceptimus said:
Current odds from Ladbrokes on some likely challengers to Corbyn:

Dan Jarvis 5/1
Tom Watson 5/1
John McDonnell 6/1 (said he will only stand in the event that Corbyn doesn't)
Lisa Nandy 10/1
Chuka Umunna 12/1
Angela Eagle 14/1
Owen Smith 20/1
Heidi Alexander 25/1
Yvette Cooper 33/1

None of the above look any more electable as Prime Minister than Corbyn to me. Three of them I've never heard of.
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Interesting that Hilary Benn isn't on the shortlist - he has previously indicated he doesn't want to be leader, but he was generally regarded as fairly centrist (and perhaps had the name to pick up some of the left), is a very good parliamentary performer whose stock went up after his Syria speech (though that might have turned some people off), and has a reputation for being a conviction politician.

Dan Jarvis is most likely to pick up wavering Tory voters, but is maybe too green; Watson is surely too linked to Brown; McDonnell is a better performer version of Corbyn; Nandy, Smith and Alexander aren't well known enough, though Alexander is quite good on the floor of the House; Umunna could probably win if he runs, but there are questions over that; Cooper is too tied to Ed Balls, perhaps, though 33-1 seems long.

Eagle isn't popular (though does have the best bad taste nickname in politics, bestowed on her by a gay Tory activist friend of mine: the lezzer of two Eagles).
 
gypsyjackson said:
........ Umunna could probably win if he runs, but there are questions over that.......
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Impressive guy. He'd be a good leader, I reckon. I still don't really know why he withdrew from the contest last time. Has he got some dark secret he is trying to keep hidden?
 
MikeG said:
Impressive guy. He'd be a good leader, I reckon. I still don't really know why he withdrew from the contest last time. Has he got some dark secret he is trying to keep hidden?
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Quite possibly. The problem these days is that we want charismatic party leaders but then again that kind of person (or someone around them) is likely to have some kind of past.

Perhaps he didn't want to subject his entire family to the kind of forensic investigation that would doubtless result from a successful leadership bid. Maybe there's a family member who has come out the the family but not the world, who knows.
 
JihadJane said:
Rubbish. This pathetic Blairite coup has been in the pipeline since April.
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Yeah, Andy Slaughter, that well known Blairite :rolleyes:

You know what happened to Labour in Scotland? Stick with Corbyn and that will happen in England and Wales too.
 
The Don said:
Perhaps he didn't want to subject his entire family to the kind of forensic investigation that would doubtless result from a successful leadership bid.
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This is what he says - he was unprepared for the Daily Mail, inter alia, to stalk his mother, and he didn't want to put pressure on his family at the time. He reckoned maybe in future he'd have them more ready for the sudden scrutiny. I haven't heard anything more than that from the Labour activists I know, and they are very gossipy, so maybe that is all.
 
MikeG said:
Yes, thank you, as it happens I was aware of that. Are you aware that the question of Britain's membership of the EU is now settled?
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If you seriously believe this then you are really out of touch; the desperate backpeddling is being looked into. It probably won't succeed but even most of the Leave supporters now realise that an embarrassing change of mind is better than leaving the EU by an enormous margin.
 
ceptimus said:
Current odds from Ladbrokes on some likely challengers to Corbyn:

Dan Jarvis 5/1
Tom Watson 5/1
John McDonnell 6/1 (said he will only stand in the event that Corbyn doesn't)
Lisa Nandy 10/1
Chuka Umunna 12/1
Angela Eagle 14/1
Owen Smith 20/1
Heidi Alexander 25/1
Yvette Cooper 33/1

None of the above look any more electable as Prime Minister than Corbyn to me. Three of them I've never heard of.
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Hmm, PP has them at:
Dan Jarvis 6/1
Tom Watson 7/2
John McDonnell 14/1
Lisa Nandy 7/1
Chuka Umunna 12/1
Angela Eagle 6/1
Owen Smith 25/1
Heidi Alexander 33/1
Yvette Cooper 33/1
 
catsmate said:
......an embarrassing change of mind is better than leaving the EU by an enormous margin.
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At what stage do you actually accept the reality? When do you stop being in denial? We're outta there. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of remaining in the EU now. Get real.
 
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I was quietly screaming at the TV when Umunna was on early Friday morning to dance on the grave of the Remain campaign after doing very little to help it. I personally hadn't seen head nor tail of him for months before then.

A Monday morning quarterback and a ****. He can jog on.
 
catsmate said:
And yet people, including Blair and Heseltine, are not so certain as you.
I wonder why?
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Because people like Blair are corrupt liars and people like Heseltine are out-of-touch fossils parroting what they're told by people like Blair.
 
ceptimus said:
Because people like Blair are corrupt liars and people like Heseltine are out-of-touch fossils parroting what they're told by people like Blair.
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What a rational and coherent response. You should be proud of your grasp of the subtleties of politics in the real world.
 
Alan Whitehead has resigned as shadow energy minister. Barbara Keeley and Andrew Gwynne are also, it is said, planning to quit.
 
catsmate said:
And yet people, including Blair and Heseltine, are not so certain as you.
I wonder why?
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Because people like Blair and Heseltine don't have to really worry about details like getting elected and can propose things that would be political suicide for consideration.
 
catsmate said:
Alan Whitehead has resigned as shadow energy minister. Barbara Keeley and Andrew Gwynne are also, it is said, planning to quit.
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If this were a plot of Yes, Minister, the audience would be complaining that it's too far fetched.
 
catsmate said:
And yet people, including Blair and Heseltine, are not so certain as you.
I wonder why?
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Because they have both spent their entire political lives advocating for the EU, and are completely shell-shocked by the current situation.
 
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