Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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Seems to me that a 501(c)(3) charity, with its disclosure requirements, would be a perfectly idiotic vehicle for bribery or other such financial chicanery. Especially if you put your name on the damn thing. Much better to set up a shell company in New Hampshire, say. At least that way the investigators have to do a little digging.
 
Seems to me that a 501(c)(3) charity, with its disclosure requirements, would be a perfectly idiotic vehicle for bribery or other such financial chicanery. Especially if you put your name on the damn thing. Much better to set up a shell company in New Hampshire, say. At least that way the investigators have to do a little digging.

Hush you. I'm making some easy cash here!
 
No, he isn't just doing that. Read his post again. He's mocking Hillary and Biden with racist ideas of Native Americans.

The defense doesn't work even if that wasn't the case and it was just directed at Elizabeth Warren. It's unacceptable to use racial slurs that demean Native Americans regardless of the context.

So far we have one other Republican defending such racist crap, and I hope it's just the others have stopped reading this thread. :(

Most have jumped ship from what I've seen.
 
No, he isn't just doing that. Read his post again. He's mocking Hillary and Biden with racist ideas of Native Americans.

Sorry, my view is that the offense you take to the word "scalp" is just typical overreach of the PC obsessed. Scalping, in the literal sense (not the sense of trying to sell tickets - usually unsuccessfully - to a Justin Bieber concert for more than their face value), was a practice pretty much exclusive to peoples native to North America. It made such a big impression on colonialists and settlers that the word has become an important part of our lexicon as an extremely rich metaphor.

Use of the term does not disparage native Americans. It simply invokes history and an important part of the American tradition.
 
The defense doesn't work even if that wasn't the case and it was just directed at Elizabeth Warren. It's unacceptable to use racial slurs that demean Native Americans regardless of the context.

Unacceptable in what sense?
 
From this hack of the Clinton Foundation, correct? That's still what we're talking about. Clinton Foundation hack leads to an indictment. I'm not certain why you have that in quotes. I do hope you're not trying to play fast and loose with terminology.


No, the bet is whether or not Crooked Hillary will be indicted -- devoid of any qualifiers or conditions. If she is indicted for any reason (which includes perjury, obstruction of justice, gross negligence, etc.), then I win the bet; otherwise, you win.

Have a look at the signature in your own comments:

"Now taking bets on the Clinton Indictment!"​

That was our original bet. Now if you want to increase the bet, I will wager another $20 at 10-to1 odds, bringing the total to $40. Which means you pay me $400 if she is indicted; if she is not indicted, I pay you $40.

Do you want to add another $20 to the bet or not? Yes or no?
 
Sorry, my view is that the offense you take to the word "scalp" is just typical overreach of the PC obsessed. Scalping, in the literal sense (not the sense of trying to sell tickets - usually unsuccessfully - to a Justin Bieber concert for more than their face value), was a practice pretty much exclusive to peoples native to North America. It made such a big impression on colonialists and settlers that the word has become an important part of our lexicon as an extremely rich metaphor.

Use of the term does not disparage native Americans. It simply invokes history and an important part of the American tradition.


Your view on what is PC overreach is abjectly meaningless to if it is or not. Nothing about 'indicted' makes the use of 'scalped' make a damn lick of sense outside of disparaging. 'But hey, Native Americans really did scalp.' So what? All it is, is an attempt to bring Warren's ancestry into it. Least you forget, she actually did turn out to be partly Native American. He is directly mocking someone who is partly Native American with Native American stereotypes, and then bringing in other politicians because he's so enamored with his Native American slams.

It's like using 'tarbaby' incorrectly to describe a black person, then saying, hey, it's a metaphor man.


Hey, Republicans, this is your party now. It's acceptable to stop being correct as long as it's going against 'politically correct'. Some bizarre get out of fail free card, accuse those being critical of being PC.
 
Your view on what is PC overreach is abjectly meaningless to if it is or not. Nothing about 'indicted' makes the use of 'scalped' make a damn lick of sense outside of disparaging. 'But hey, Native Americans really did scalp.' So what? All it is, is an attempt to bring Warren's ancestry into it. Least you forget, she actually did turn out to be partly Native American. He is directly mocking someone who is partly Native American with Native American stereotypes, and then bringing in other politicians because he's so enamored with his Native American slams.

It's like using 'tarbaby' incorrectly to describe a black person, then saying, hey, it's a metaphor man.


Hey, Republicans, this is your party now. It's acceptable to stop being correct as long as it's going against 'politically correct'. Some bizarre get out of fail free card, accuse those being critical of being PC.

Sorry, but this claim is utterly false. Elizabeth Warren's ancestry is actually pretty well documented, and she has zero Native American ancestry doing back to the 18th century. What was found, ironically, is that she had a great, great, great grandfather who was in the Tennessee militia and who probably participated in rounding up Cherokees and sending them on their way on the Trail of Tears.

Of course, Elizabeth Warren's ancestry could be determined scientifically with a DNA test, but I'd bet a lot of money that she will never, ever submit to that. Regardless, the racial composition of her DNA is irrelevant. At the time she was claiming to be a Native American for the purposes of advancing her academic career, she demonstrated zero interest in Native American culture or community. At Harvard, despite having been specifically identified as the only tenured woman "of color" in the Law School, she had zero contact with her purported community of color. She never participated in any functions or did any mentoring, or did any recruiting on behalf of the Native American community. Zero. It is one thing to claim some black ancestry (truthfully!) and benefit from affirmative action while doing nothing to identify specifically with the black community. There is precedent for that in the history of the "one drop rule." Not so with other ethnic identities however. And this goes doubly so for Native American identity since there have been many privileges granted to Native Americans throughout US history, and, consequently, there is a precedent for the rejection of numerous disingenuous claims based only on distant ancestry and not on cultural affiliation.
 
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Sorry, but this claim is utterly false. Elizabeth Warren's ancestry is actually pretty well documented, and she has zero Native American ancestry doing back to the 18th century. What was found, ironically, is that she had a great, great, great grandfather who was in the Tennessee militia and who probably participated in rounding up Cherokees and sending them on their way on the Trail of Tears.

Of course, Elizabeth Warren's ancestry could be determined scientifically with a DNA test, but I'd bet a lot of money that she will never, ever submit to that. Regardless, the racial composition of her DNA is irrelevant. At the time she was claiming to be a Native American for the purposes of advancing her academic career, she demonstrated zero interest in Native American culture or community. At Harvard, despite having been specifically identified as the only tenured woman "of color" in the Law School, she had zero contact with her purported community of color. She never participated in any functions or did any mentoring, or did any recruiting on behalf of the Native American community. Zero. It is one thing to claim some black ancestry (truthfully!) and benefit from affirmative action while doing nothing to identify specifically with the black community. There is precedent for that in the history of the "one drop rule." Not so with other ethnic identities however. And this goes doubly so for Native American identity since there have been many privileges granted to Native Americans throughout US history, and, consequently, there is a precedent for the rejection of numerous disingenuous claims based only on distant ancestry and not on cultural affiliation.


As it turns out, I was incorrect because after someone found evidence she was 1/32nd, it later turned out the evidence wasn't solid. So it hasn't been proven, nor disproved.

However, the highlighted turns out to be a lie. You've linked to brietbart as a source, so, yeah, don't care what they say. No one should. They're sometimes right, but to determine if what they're saying is true, false, or completely insanely obvious lie, one has to go to better sources anyway. Well, maybe not the last one. At any rate, cut out the middle man. Here is a better article from The Atlantic.

But no, it's still entirely reasonable to keep using what most Americans today consider a vile and savage practice showing how uncivilized the Native Americans are/were to smear Clinton because Warren may or may not be Native American... Wait, no it still isn't reasonable at all.
 
No, the bet is whether or not Crooked Hillary will be indicted -- devoid of any qualifiers or conditions. If she is indicted for any reason (which includes perjury, obstruction of justice, gross negligence, etc.), then I win the bet; otherwise, you win.

Have a look at the signature in your own comments:

"Now taking bets on the Clinton Indictment!"​

That was our original bet. Now if you want to increase the bet, I will wager another $20 at 10-to1 odds, bringing the total to $40. Which means you pay me $400 if she is indicted; if she is not indicted, I pay you $40.

Do you want to add another $20 to the bet or not? Yes or no?

Just to be perfectly clear....

For a bet with RobRoy, it's not enough that the FBI recommends indictment, or even that she is charged, but that she is found criminally guilty. At least this is how I understood the terms when I expressed interest in a bet. However, a bet could not be made as we disagreed on those terms.

RobRoy can correct me if I misunderstood.
 
No, the bet is whether or not Crooked Hillary will be indicted -- devoid of any qualifiers or conditions. If she is indicted for any reason (which includes perjury, obstruction of justice, gross negligence, etc.), then I win the bet; otherwise, you win.

Sorry, we probably should clarify then, otherwise it feels like we're not on the same page at all. The first bet is an indictment in regards to her emails/email server, correct?

That was our original bet. Now if you want to increase the bet, I will wager another $20 at 10-to1 odds, bringing the total to $40. Which means you pay me $400 if she is indicted; if she is not indicted, I pay you $40.

Nope, I'm very confused. I was under the impression this latest bet was in regards to this Clinton Foundation hacking, since that was the conversation.

Do you want to add another $20 to the bet or not? Yes or no?

To which bet?

Just to be perfectly clear....

For a bet with RobRoy, it's not enough that the FBI recommends indictment, or even that she is charged, but that she is found criminally guilty. At least this is how I understood the terms when I expressed interest in a bet. However, a bet could not be made as we disagreed on those terms.

RobRoy can correct me if I misunderstood.

A recommendation to indict does not win the bet. Clinton must be indicted.
 
To be perfectly clear, here's where the bet on the indictment was supposed to be clarified. The discussion to that point was in regards to the email servers, although I'm perfectly happy to entertain discussion on extending it to anything which was relevant at that time.
 
State Dept. scrambled on trouble on Clinton's server

The emails show that State Department technical staff disabled software on their systems intended to block phishing emails that could deliver dangerous viruses. They were trying urgently to resolve delivery problems with emails sent from Clinton's private server.

After technical staffers turned off some security features, State Department official Thomas Lawrence cautioned in an email, "We view this as a Band-Aid and fear it's not 100 percent fully effective."

In a blistering audit released last month, the State Department's inspector general concluded that Clinton and her team ignored clear internal guidance that her email setup broke federal standards and could leave sensitive material vulnerable to hackers. Her aides twice brushed aside concerns, in one case telling technical staff "the matter was not to be discussed further," the report said.

Read more:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006...ey-security-features-disabled-clintons-server (June 22, 2016)


In a speech Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said that Clinton's email server "was easily hacked by foreign governments."

"So they probably now have a blackmail file over someone who wants to be President of the United States. This fact alone disqualifies her from the presidency," Trump said. "We can't hand over our government to someone whose deepest, darkest secrets may be in the hands of our enemies."
 
In a speech Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said that Clinton's email server "was easily hacked by foreign governments."

"So they probably now have a blackmail file over someone who wants to be President of the United States. This fact alone disqualifies her from the presidency," Trump said. "We can't hand over our government to someone whose deepest, darkest secrets may be in the hands of our enemies."
And you just believe whatever conspiracy theories Donald Trump pulls out of his ass? Maybe President Obama isn't really an American too?
 
Clinton IT specialist invokes 5th more than 125 times in deposition

Hillary Clinton IT specialist Bryan Pagliano invoked the Fifth more than 125 times during a 90-minute, closed-door deposition Wednesday, a source told Fox News.

The official said Pagliano was working off an index card and read the same crafted statement each time.

Pagliano was a central figure in the set-up and management of Clinton’s personal server she used exclusively for government business while secretary of state. The State Department inspector general found Clinton violated government rules with that arrangement.

He was deposed as part of a lawsuit seeking Clinton emails and other records.

Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-5th-more-than-125-times-in-deposition.html# (June 22, 2016)


The deposition of Bryan Pagliano was in connection with a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit that seeks records about the 30,000 missing emails of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Bryan Pagliano (State Department Schedule C employee who has been reported to have serviced and maintained the server that hosted the “clintonemail.com” system during Crooked Hillary’s tenure as Secretary of State).
 
I'm struggling to figure out why the files of a charity being hacked is supposed to be meaningful. Or are some people just jumping to conclusions that the charity was somehow crooked and doing illegal things?

I'm struggling to figure out how The Clinton Foundation can be called a charity.
 
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