Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[LondonJohn]

No, I'm sure you don't remember. You have never taken a moment or a care about the truth or anyone. They simply don't matter to you. Yet you yourself expect to be treated politely.

*Ahem*

Posted by Vixen on 15th May 2015:

Hampikan (sic) is on the defense pay roll. Of course, he will report whatever his paymasters want him to report. Sadly, this compromises his scientific ethics.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10653184#post10653184

(i.e. Vixen is attacking Hampikian - whose name she cannot be bothered to spell correctly, as so often - by accusing him of acting unethically in return for money)


Posted by Vixen on 1st January 2016:

Heheh. When you say "followed by the papperrazi (sic)" you mean Madison Paxton who took most of the so-called news pics.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11059864#post11059864

(i.e. Vixen is attacking Paxton by accusing her of taking staged photographs of Knox in Seattle to sell to photo agencies or newspaper publishers under the pretence that the photos were taken by paparazzi (another word which Vixen is too lazy and/or imprecise to bother spelling correctly))


The moral of this little story: never trust the claims of a lying liar. Ever.

 

[Bill Williams]

Bill was referring to the page number printed on the page of the original report in Italian. It's page number 408 of this pdf-file.
This is the part Bill quoted in Italian:

Anche tale considerazione, quindi, fa ritenere che la traccia biologica riconducibile ad Amanda e rinvenuta sul manico del coltello, potè derivare dall'uso del coltello finalizzato a colpire piuttosto che a tagliare degli alimenti; potè derivare, quindi, dall'azione lesiva condotta contro Meredith e di conseguenza sulle piccolissime striature presenti nella faccia della lama restd, malgrado la successiva pulitura, una traccia biologica riconducibile a Meredith e che non appare altrimenti spiegabile secondo quanto, al riguardo, si e avuto modo di rilevare (Meredith non era mai stata a casa di Raffaele Sollecito e non aveva mai potuto usare tale coltello).

Btw you might want to check if your links are working before posting.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Massei_Report_(English)

Thanks for this, Methos. IMO this shows that in Massei's court all the prosecution had to show was that their theories "could arise", not whether or not they arose.

Conversely the 2013 ISC Section 1 ruling demanded that if the defence was going to claim that contamination could arise, then the defence had to prove it.

There's no more bald-faced example of why this case went off the rails judicially until corrected by Section 5 of ISC in 2015.

 

[Vixen]

*Ahem*

Posted by Vixen on 15th May 2015:

Hampikan (sic) is on the defense pay roll. Of course, he will report whatever his paymasters want him to report. Sadly, this compromises his scientific ethics.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10653184#post10653184

(i.e. Vixen is attacking Hampikian - whose name she cannot be bothered to spell correctly, as so often - by accusing him of acting unethically in return for money)


Posted by Vixen on 1st January 2016:

Heheh. When you say "followed by the papperrazi (sic)" you mean Madison Paxton who took most of the so-called news pics.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11059864#post11059864

(i.e. Vixen is attacking Paxton by accusing her of taking staged photographs of Knox in Seattle to sell to photo agencies or newspaper publishers under the pretence that the photos were taken by paparazzi (another word which Vixen is too lazy and/or imprecise to bother spelling correctly))


The moral of this little story: never trust the claims of a lying liar. Ever.

OK, I stand corrected.

Hardly being impolite as Amanda herself brags of Madison wanting to photograph her. Whatever happened to Madison? Has she been paid off with a 'gagging clause', like James Terano (_sp?)and hire-a-fiancé, Colin Sutherland...?

 

[Methos]

Thanks for this, Methos. IMO this shows that in Massei's court all the prosecution had to show was that their theories "could arise", not whether or not they arose.

Conversely the 2013 ISC Section 1 ruling demanded that if the defence was going to claim that contamination could arise, then the defence had to prove it.

There's no more bald-faced example of why this case went off the rails judicially until corrected by Section 5 of ISC in 2015.

Massei's verdict is the one I understand the least.
Vixen is telling us, that he bend backwards (to do what exactly?), to me it looks like he twisted himself into a pretzel to get the two convicted. Each and every time when he had a decision to make about a piece of evidence, he sided with the prosecution, no matter how flimsy the reasonig was...

The DNA evidence was reliable, because there was no reason to think, that Stefanoni's suspect centred investigation methods would somehow make her biased against the defendants, no way...

The luminol footprints had to be made in Meredith Kercher's blood because "what else could the luminol have reacted to?"

There must have been a cleanup because no traces were found connecting the luminol hits in the small corridor with the ones in Romanelli's room.

Curatolo destroys their alibi, because he has seen them that night while they say that they were at Raffaele's, it doesn't matter that he places them in Piazza Grimana at the most likely ToD, all that counts is that he said they were there, while they are saying they were elsewhere.

The same with Quintavalle.

The footprints are attributed to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito despite Rinaldi putting into his report, that "they are not usable to make a positive identification" or "aren't usable at all". Remind me how many reference prints were taken?

And, last but not least, there is his reasoning about the multiple attackers.

When he is told by six of the seven experts that "there is no way" to determine - based on the physical evidence - if Meredith Kercher was killed by one or more persons, he simply decides that "It would have been against Meredith Kercher's character" to have been overwhelmed by just one person. It doesn't matter that she was described as "petite" by her friends and it also doesn't matter that her killer was armed with a knife.

And of course the multiple attackers where needed to explain away the incompatibility of "The Knife" with the smaller wounds, the knife that was "not incompatible with the mortal wound". Hey, we have "more than one person attacking her" so why not just invent another knife (or better let's put the real murder weapon, the one a certain Rudy Hermann Guede used to kill Meredith Kercher, into Raffaele Sollecito's hands and assume that he would throw away one of his knives but would keep the kitchen knife because it was on the inventory), one that was never found, one that solves that pesky problem and is also able to back up our multiple assailants theory. A perfect merry-go-round of reasoning.

This one should have ended with an Art. 530.2 acquittal in December 2009, latest.

As I said, Massei is the judge I don't understand, his court was the one that heard "all the evidence".

Matteini only had the prosecutions' file to work with, and asked no questions. The remarkable thing is, that she tells Amanda Knox in her denial of house arrest that:

Per quanto attiene, infine, il pericolo di fuga, questo è sempre in quanto si consideri che la famiglia della ragazza vive negli Stati Uniti e quindi vi potrebbe essere una estrema facilita per la medesima di lasciare il nostro paese; la circostanza che non l'abbia fatto prima del fermo è del tutto irrelevante in quanto, si ricorda, il fermo è stato molto tempestivo ed attuato prima che arrivasse in Italia la madre di Amanda al fine proprio di evitare situazioni del genere.

Micheli could have ended it, especially after Stefanoni refusing to come up with the raw data from her tests, actually telling him, that "wanting that data was accusing her of cheating". Micheli sent them to trial maybe thinking "Let somebody else sort this mess out."

Hellmann tried to do the right thing plus some damage control. Convicting Amanda Knox for calunnia placed the blame for the ills that befell her solely on herself and took the investigators out of the line of fire...

Chieffi went a step further. His verdict was a copy and paste of Galati's appeal aimed at restoring the good names of everyone involved in the investigation, especially Stefanoni, by re-defining how forensic science has to be done, he just didn't want Stefanoni to become Italy's Annie Dookhan.

Nencini just followed the orders he got from Rome and delivered the verdict he was asked for after a six, or was it seven, sessions show trial/trial show.

Marasca and Bruno finally put an end to the saga, bound by what Chieffi decided and also interested in this case not having consrquences for anyone involved on the police/prosecution side, they just threw it out basically saying, the case never should have brought to trial... Plus some sand throwing in the final parts of their report...

My 0.02 Deutsche Mark

 

[TruthCalls]

Massei's verdict is the one I understand the least.
Vixen is telling us, that he bend backwards (to do what exactly?), to me it looks like he twisted himself into a pretzel to get the two convicted. Each and every time when he had a decision to make about a piece of evidence, he sided with the prosecution, no matter how flimsy the reasonig was...

The DNA evidence was reliable, because there was no reason to think, that Stefanoni's suspect centred investigation methods would somehow make her biased against the defendants, no way...

The luminol footprints had to be made in Meredith Kercher's blood because "what else could the luminol have reacted to?"

There must have been a cleanup because no traces were found connecting the luminol hits in the small corridor with the ones in Romanelli's room.

Curatolo destroys their alibi, because he has seen them that night while they say that they were at Raffaele's, it doesn't matter that he places them in Piazza Grimana at the most likely ToD, all that counts is that he said they were there, while they are saying they were elsewhere.

The same with Quintavalle.

The footprints are attributed to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito despite Rinaldi putting into his report, that "they are not usable to make a positive identification" or "aren't usable at all". Remind me how many reference prints were taken?

And, last but not least, there is his reasoning about the multiple attackers.

When he is told by six of the seven experts that "there is no way" to determine - based on the physical evidence - if Meredith Kercher was killed by one or more persons, he simply decides that "It would have been against Meredith Kercher's character" to have been overwhelmed by just one person. It doesn't matter that she was described as "petite" by her friends and it also doesn't matter that her killer was armed with a knife.

And of course the multiple attackers where needed to explain away the incompatibility of "The Knife" with the smaller wounds, the knife that was "not incompatible with the mortal wound". Hey, we have "more than one person attacking her" so why not just invent another knife (or better let's put the real murder weapon, the one a certain Rudy Hermann Guede used to kill Meredith Kercher, into Raffaele Sollecito's hands and assume that he would throw away one of his knives but would keep the kitchen knife because it was on the inventory), one that was never found, one that solves that pesky problem and is also able to back up our multiple assailants theory. A perfect merry-go-round of reasoning.

This one should have ended with an Art. 530.2 acquittal in December 2009, latest.

As I said, Massei is the judge I don't understand, his court was the one that heard "all the evidence".

Matteini only had the prosecutions' file to work with, and asked no questions. The remarkable thing is, that she tells Amanda Knox in her denial of house arrest that:


Micheli could have ended it, especially after Stefanoni refusing to come up with the raw data from her tests, actually telling him, that "wanting that data was accusing her of cheating". Micheli sent them to trial maybe thinking "Let somebody else sort this mess out."

Hellmann tried to do the right thing plus some damage control. Convicting Amanda Knox for calunnia placed the blame for the ills that befell her solely on herself and took the investigators out of the line of fire...

Chieffi went a step further. His verdict was a copy and paste of Galati's appeal aimed at restoring the good names of everyone involved in the investigation, especially Stefanoni, by re-defining how forensic science has to be done, he just didn't want Stefanoni to become Italy's Annie Dookhan.

Nencini just followed the orders he got from Rome and delivered the verdict he was asked for after a six, or was it seven, sessions show trial/trial show.

Marasca and Bruno finally put an end to the saga, bound by what Chieffi decided and also interested in this case not having consrquences for anyone involved on the police/prosecution side, they just threw it out basically saying, the case never should have brought to trial... Plus some sand throwing in the final parts of their report...

My 0.02 Deutsche Mark

You left off his dismissing Curatolo seeing people in costumes boarding disco buses on the night he sees Amanda and Raffaele because he also recalls seeing the SP in their white suits the next day (a serious jaw dropping wtf ruling) or how he has no issue disallowing Lali to take a body temp because Stefanoni was being very careful to preserve evidence but then says collecting the bra clasp with dirty gloves is OK because he can't figure where contamination would have come from.

Massei's entire MR is rife with errors and contradictions but still, compared to Nencini's, is rather good. Oy!

 

[Methos]

You left off his dismissing Curatolo seeing people in costumes boarding disco buses on the night he sees Amanda and Raffaele because he also recalls seeing the SP in their white suits the next day (a serious jaw dropping wtf ruling) or how he has no issue disallowing Lali to take a body temp because Stefanoni was being very careful to preserve evidence but then says collecting the bra clasp with dirty gloves is OK because he can't figure where contamination would have come from.

Massei's entire MR is rife with errors and contradictions but still, compared to Nencini's, is rather good. Oy!

My bad , but I didn't try to list all of judge Massei's blunders
Nencini's report is worse because he just followed the orders he was given...

 

[Vixen]

Vixen constantly boasts about how strong the case was against Amanda and Raffaele and how much evidence there was against them. Could Vixen explain the conduct of the prosecution and the arguments PGP have to resort to if there was such a slam dunk case against Amanda and Raffaele detailed in my posts below :-

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10485382#post10485382

Welshman, in short, I disagree with virtually all of it.

 

[Vixen]

Come now Vixen. You're being deliberately obtuse, aren't you?

Where do you see that anybody even remotely suggested that you'd had..... "any communication with any of these people"? Your response is to a non-existent proposition.

Slagging people off does not suggest communication with them.....does it?

Look. You can be critical of, say, a politician, but that doesn't mean you have to be rude to him or her when you meet them. I have never met any of the people acbytesla claims I was impolite to. The MR's of Massei, Nencini, Hellman, Chieffi, Mateini, Micheli, Galati, Bruno & Marasca are subject to fair comment from anybody. It's not 'impolite' to criticise them.

I have noted the PIP have a problem separating debate from personal attack. Luckily I grew out of that aged five.

 

[Bill Williams]

Look. You can be critical of, say, a politician, but that doesn't mean you have to be rude to him or her when you meet them. I have never met any of the people acbytesla claims I was impolite to. The MR's of Massei, Nencini, Hellman, Chieffi, Mateini, Micheli, Galati, Bruno & Marasca are subject to fair comment from anybody. It's not 'impolite' to criticise them.

I have noted the PIP have a problem separating debate from personal attack. Luckily I grew out of that aged five.

You called Boninsegna a lickspittle!

 

[Vixen]

Not to mention that there's a very significant and important difference between:

a) Knox talking of Paxton "wanting to photograph her" - which would imply personal artistic photographs in which presumably Paxton would be trying to use her creative and artistic skills to capture Knox's personality and image in a creative-art form; and

b) Paxton taking long-lens candid shots of Knox in public areas of Seattle, with little or no artistic value, closely imitating the style of paparazzi photographers, and then passing those photos over to news organisations for publication (presumably, in Vixen's poisoned mind, for monetary gain).


And note also how Vixen has completely neglected to address the matter of the other individual - Greg Hampikian (or is that "Hampikan", Vixen?) - of whom she had also loftily claimed never to have "offered any critique of (his) works". It turns out that she had previously, on this forum, explicitly accused Hampikian of effectively suborning perjury by abandoning his scientific ethical principles in return for monetary gain from the defence team. Where's the apology for THAT lie, Vixen?

What a disgusting little piece of work.

Firstly, now Madison Paxton is out of Amanda's life, did she ask her for permission to reveal Paxton's alleged fetish of photographing her (according to Amanda, although we suspect this is yet more of the narciscistic posturing we have come to expect from her). It's a pretty nasty betrayal if she didn't.

Secondly, it's fair comment re Greg Hampikian. See here:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php...two_positions_of_trust_in_serially_misrepres/

 

[Vixen]

You called Boninsegna a lickspittle!

It's a pretty mild comment and apposite for a small time official trying to curry favour.

 

[Vixen]

Massei's verdict is the one I understand the least.
Vixen is telling us, that he bend backwards (to do what exactly?), to me it looks like he twisted himself into a pretzel to get the two convicted. Each and every time when he had a decision to make about a piece of evidence, he sided with the prosecution, no matter how flimsy the reasonig was...

The DNA evidence was reliable, because there was no reason to think, that Stefanoni's suspect centred investigation methods would somehow make her biased against the defendants, no way...

The luminol footprints had to be made in Meredith Kercher's blood because "what else could the luminol have reacted to?"

There must have been a cleanup because no traces were found connecting the luminol hits in the small corridor with the ones in Romanelli's room.

Curatolo destroys their alibi, because he has seen them that night while they say that they were at Raffaele's, it doesn't matter that he places them in Piazza Grimana at the most likely ToD, all that counts is that he said they were there, while they are saying they were elsewhere.

The same with Quintavalle.

The footprints are attributed to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito despite Rinaldi putting into his report, that "they are not usable to make a positive identification" or "aren't usable at all". Remind me how many reference prints were taken?

And, last but not least, there is his reasoning about the multiple attackers.

When he is told by six of the seven experts that "there is no way" to determine - based on the physical evidence - if Meredith Kercher was killed by one or more persons, he simply decides that "It would have been against Meredith Kercher's character" to have been overwhelmed by just one person. It doesn't matter that she was described as "petite" by her friends and it also doesn't matter that her killer was armed with a knife.

And of course the multiple attackers where needed to explain away the incompatibility of "The Knife" with the smaller wounds, the knife that was "not incompatible with the mortal wound". Hey, we have "more than one person attacking her" so why not just invent another knife (or better let's put the real murder weapon, the one a certain Rudy Hermann Guede used to kill Meredith Kercher, into Raffaele Sollecito's hands and assume that he would throw away one of his knives but would keep the kitchen knife because it was on the inventory), one that was never found, one that solves that pesky problem and is also able to back up our multiple assailants theory. A perfect merry-go-round of reasoning.

This one should have ended with an Art. 530.2 acquittal in December 2009, latest.

As I said, Massei is the judge I don't understand, his court was the one that heard "all the evidence".

Matteini only had the prosecutions' file to work with, and asked no questions. The remarkable thing is, that she tells Amanda Knox in her denial of house arrest that:


Micheli could have ended it, especially after Stefanoni refusing to come up with the raw data from her tests, actually telling him, that "wanting that data was accusing her of cheating". Micheli sent them to trial maybe thinking "Let somebody else sort this mess out."

Hellmann tried to do the right thing plus some damage control. Convicting Amanda Knox for calunnia placed the blame for the ills that befell her solely on herself and took the investigators out of the line of fire...

Chieffi went a step further. His verdict was a copy and paste of Galati's appeal aimed at restoring the good names of everyone involved in the investigation, especially Stefanoni, by re-defining how forensic science has to be done, he just didn't want Stefanoni to become Italy's Annie Dookhan.

Nencini just followed the orders he got from Rome and delivered the verdict he was asked for after a six, or was it seven, sessions show trial/trial show.

Marasca and Bruno finally put an end to the saga, bound by what Chieffi decided and also interested in this case not having consrquences for anyone involved on the police/prosecution side, they just threw it out basically saying, the case never should have brought to trial... Plus some sand throwing in the final parts of their report...

My 0.02 Deutsche Mark

You know, you should get Robert Crumb to illustrate this, as it wouldn't be out of place in a FREAK BROTHERS comic. It has all the paranoia and conspiracy theory necessary in a pot overload. A kind of Stephen Stills meets David Crosby meets a PIP: ''like looking in a mirror and seeing a police car'.

Stop, look, what's that sound, everybody look what's going down.

They're locking them up today, they're throwing away the keys, I wonder who it'll be tomorrow, you or me...

Paranoia seeps through...

 

[Vixen]

You go way beyond critical. You also no nothing about so many of those people. And many of your attacks are in fact very personal

But hey I have a huge problem with partisan morons with little depth criticizing politicians as well.

You have ZERO understanding of DNA testing and yet you criticize probably the world's most foremost and respected experts calling him a shill. Even though Gill was not a paid Defense expert. Anyone and everyone who has sided with Knox as been a target of your ignorant slurs.

Your criticism of Madison Paxton, Curt Knox and Edda Mellas has been down right shameful.

Acting as if your behavior is somehow appropriate shows a morality blind spot the size of a semi.

None of these people are posters on this forum, so how can it be a personal attack, if they are not being addressed directly.

Curt & Edda Knox had a good idea their daughter was guilty yet they collude with her in her innocence fraud. You only have to listen to the prison intercepts. There's a general acceptance 'the police don't know what they are doing', all evidence is 'BS'. Lots of laughter, not a word of concern about what happened to Amanda's friend.

At that stage, how would they know the police are '****'?

It's clear, their only concern is to get this dummy out of 'yet another mighty fine mess' as she prattles away in her whiny, wheedling voice. What parent tolerates that behaviour?

 

[Vixen]

Madison Paxton was mentioned recently by Amanda Knox in one of her articles, which was about photography. The reference was to "my friend". I guess this must mean they are in each other's lives eh?

Nope. The salient phrase is, 'used to'.

In the past. Once upon a time. In days of yore.

 

[Welshman]

Welshman, in short, I disagree with virtually all of it.

Vixen refuses to explain the conduct of the prosecution and the arguments PGP have to resort if there was a strong case against Amanda and Raffaele. Could Vixen explain why she refuses to do this.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen refuses to explain the conduct of the prosecution and the arguments PGP have to resort if there was a strong case against Amanda and Raffaele.

As I said, I disagree with your spin. There was no 'interrogation' for a start.

No doubt the police did one or two things wrong - human error happens; it's usually cock-up, rather than stitch-up - and the prosecution has to persuade a magistrate the case should go to trial.

It was a very serious murder, rape and theft. The person/s involved were clearly dangerous psychopaths. Of course the judge has to think of the safety of the community.

Do you think suspected dangerous psychopathic killers should be free to roam around? Like the two psychos in New York recently, one of whom killed a cop as casually as lighting a cigarette.

Don't you understand, they do not think like us normal people.

 

[acbytesla]

None of these people are posters on this forum, so how can it be a personal attack, if they are not being addressed directly.

Total nonsense. It is the nature of your attacks that is personal. That you think posting mendacious slurs anonymously somehow absolves you from acting honorably demonstrates your character or lack of it more clearly than anything I could say.

Curt & Edda Knox had a good idea their daughter was guilty yet they collude with her in her innocence fraud. You only have to listen to the prison intercepts. There's a general acceptance 'the police don't know what they are doing', all evidence is 'BS'. Lots of laughter, not a word of concern about what happened to Amanda's friend.
At that stage, how would they know the police are '****'?

It's clear, their only concern is to get this dummy out of 'yet another mighty fine mess' as she prattles away in her whiny, wheedling voice. What parent tolerates that behaviour?

Total unadulterated nonsense. You hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest. Your posts say far more about you than you think it does about Amanda's parents.

These are parents that believe in their daughter. The idea that Knox could have killed Meredith was and is absurd to them. I'm sure they never even entertained the possibility. They know the daughter they raised. An honor student at one of the most prestigious high schools in the state. A student at the University of Washington one of the most prestigious colleges West of the Ohio river. A daughter that Judge Heavey's daughter described as the nicest person she knew. That's the kind of parents these are.

 

[Bill Williams]

Look. You can be critical of, say, a politician, but that doesn't mean you have to be rude to him or her when you meet them. I have never met any of the people acbytesla claims I was impolite to. The MR's of Massei, Nencini, Hellman, Chieffi, Mateini, Micheli, Galati, Bruno & Marasca are subject to fair comment from anybody. It's not 'impolite' to criticise them.

I have noted the PIP have a problem separating debate from personal attack. Luckily I grew out of that aged five.

You called Boninsegna a lickspittle!

It's a pretty mild comment and apposite for a small time official trying to curry favour.

It is clear you have a problem separating debate from personal attack. You want to both make the derogatory comment, as well as be the arbiter as to its "mildness" - yet there it remains, you feel justified in insulting all who disagree with you.

I am waiting on the mods here, because of the reported post - it is a referendum on the moderation standards at this place.

 

[Vixen]

Madison Paxton was mentioned recently by Amanda Knox in one of her articles, which was about photography. The reference was to "my friend". I guess this must mean they are in each other's lives eh?

Paxton wrote an article for "The Stranger" in defence of her friend while Knox was in prison in 2009, containing photographs she had taken of her.

It's rather good!

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/she-didnt-do-it/Content?oid=2929730

A couple of paragraphs in, and it's already a pack of lies. Did Amanda lie to Madison, or did Madison take it upon herself to stretch the truth to help her mate?

Before being jailed as a suspect, Amanda was interrogated for 53 hours over five days. On November 6, 2007, after an all-night, 14-hour interrogation in Italian (her Italian was at a beginner's level) without a translator, Amanda confessed to being at the crime scene and suggested Patrick Lumumba, her boss, was the murderer

 

[Vixen]

Total nonsense. It is the nature of your attacks that is personal. That you think posting mendacious slurs anonymously somehow absolves you from acting honorably demonstrates your character or lack of it more clearly than anything I could say.



Total unadulterated nonsense. You hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest. Your posts say far more about you than you think it does about Amanda's parents.

These are parents that believe in their daughter. The idea that Knox could have killed Meredith was and is absurd to them. I'm sure they never even entertained the possibility. They know the daughter they raised. An honor student at one of the most prestigious high schools in the state. A student at the University of Washington one of the most prestigious colleges West of the Ohio river. A daughter that Judge Heavey's daughter described as the nicest person she knew. That's the kind of parents these are.

They didn't express any surprise she had been arrested. To them it was logical.

Curt refused to pay child support when she was born, but boy, has she made him pay up now...