Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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TheL8Elvis said:
Really ? If it's mostly a formality, they couldn't wait a few weeks until after the primary ? I bet the certainly could.
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Why would they wait at all? And FBI doesn't change it's timelines based on the primaries. They'll finish when they think they're done.

It's simply not going to happen this late in the presidential process. I don't care how "non-political" you think the FBI is, they aren't going to launch the country into turmoil, and neither are the president or DOJ.

--> NOT GONNA GET RECOMMENDED FOR CHARGES.
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Comey is non-partisan (a Republican in fact), and the FBI and DOJ certainly would "launch the country into turmoil". Are you too young to remember Watergate?
 
Fudbucker said:
Why would they wait at all? And FBI doesn't change it's timelines based on the primaries. They'll finish when they think they're done.



Comey is non-partisan (a Republican in fact), and the FBI and DOJ certainly would "launch the country into turmoil". Are you too young to remember Watergate?
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Are you seriously equating an extra layer of privacy with using the office of POTUS to rig an election? To breaking and entering by a criminal team?
 
Fudbucker said:
Why would they wait at all? And FBI doesn't change it's timelines based on the primaries. They'll finish when they think they're done.
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They would wait because she has a busy schedule. Why wouldn't they wait ?
And the "they'll finish when they think they're done." is simply lip service, as far as I am concerned. Since neither one of us could ever prove ti was one way or the other, it seems pretty irrelevant.

Fudbucker said:
Comey is non-partisan (a Republican in fact), and the FBI and DOJ certainly would "launch the country into turmoil". Are you too young to remember Watergate?
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Too young to have paid attention to it at the time, yes. Regardless, I don't believe the current administration and DOJ are sitting idly by waiting for the FBI to do whatever it decides to do.

If you believe that they are, we'll simply disagree, as above, neither one of us is likely to be able to demonstrate we are correct.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Are you aware that every computer connected to the internet is subjected to attacks on an almost constant basis? My brother used to have a program that showed the constant attacks on his personal PC. It lit up constantly.

Here's one that is a broader view: Watch the web get hacked in real time on this mesmerizing map There are dozens of similar sites showing this fun past time.

That someone was knocking on the door is a given. Closing the system is evidence they had a good firewall.
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No. Please leave IT to IT people.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
They would wait because she has a busy schedule. Why wouldn't they wait ?
And the "they'll finish when they think they're done." is simply lip service, as far as I am concerned. Since neither one of us could ever prove ti was one way or the other, it seems pretty irrelevant.



Too young to have paid attention to it at the time, yes. Regardless, I don't believe the current administration and DOJ are sitting idly by waiting for the FBI to do whatever it decides to do.

If you believe that they are, we'll simply disagree, as above, neither one of us is likely to be able to demonstrate we are correct.
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My claim wasn't that they're "sitting idly by". It was refuting your claim (or what I read your claim to be) that presidential politics will have an impact on whether she's indicted or not. It won't. Maybe you were claiming something else.
 
Fudbucker said:
Comey is... a Republican in fact... and the FBI and DOJ certainly would "launch the country into turmoil".
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The FBI could have wrapped their investigation up months ago, but for some reason they decided to drag it out. I wonder why?

To answer that question you have to understand the awful predicament the Republicans have gotten themselves into. They don't want Trump as president but they can't stop him, and Bernie would be worse. That leaves only one option - let Hillary continue to attack Trump until he implodes - then hit her with an indictment.
 
RobRoy said:
Not all my jokes are funny.



I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that she won't be indicted. Any takers?
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I think it unlikely she will be indicted, not because she did nothing wrong but because power and privilege have a habit of receiving different justice. Nonetheless if you're still willing I'll put down my $20 to your $200 with a couple conditions.

1. Indicted in this context means the FBI recommends indictment regardless of whether the justice department pursues it.

2. Loser pays the amount to winners choice of charity rather than directly to the winner.

If that's agreeable to you then we have a bet!
 
The_Animus said:
I think it unlikely she will be indicted, not because she did nothing wrong but because power and privilege have a habit of receiving different justice. Nonetheless if you're still willing I'll put down my $20 to your $200 with a couple conditions.

1. Indicted in this context means the FBI recommends indictment regardless of whether the justice department pursues it.

2. Loser pays the amount to winners choice of charity rather than directly to the winner.

If that's agreeable to you then we have a bet!
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You can get a much better deal from Tony Stark (provided you get him drunk first).
 
TheL8Elvis said:
No. Please leave IT to IT people.
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Whatever. :rolleyes:

Bottom line, someone trying to get in was not that big of a deal, people try to get in everywhere. Nothing got through and that's more than the State Department can say.
 
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The_Animus said:
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1. Indicted in this context means the FBI recommends indictment regardless of whether the justice department pursues it.
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If the FBI recommends indictment and Justice declines, would the public even know? In fact, I'm not sure that the FBI actually recommends anything. They turn over the results of their investigation to prosecutors, and the prosecutors decide what to do with it. Even when a street cop arrests somebody, the DA makes the decision about whether there are grounds to prosecute.

And prosecutors don't go to court, especially with a high-profile case, unless they're pretty sure they can win. I don't like what Clinton did, it was sneaky and sleazy and shady, but I think it might be hard to prove criminal intent to a jury, particularly if they can't prove that she knowingly mishandled classified material. Hiding stuff from Congress might be impeachable, but it's not a crime.

I look at this to be resolved with some sort of scorching statement about sloppy procedures, inept staff, confusing regulations, etc., but a criminal indictment is a big stretch.
 
The_Animus said:
I think it unlikely she will be indicted, not because she did nothing wrong but because power and privilege have a habit of receiving different justice. Nonetheless if you're still willing I'll put down my $20 to your $200 with a couple conditions.

1. Indicted in this context means the FBI recommends indictment regardless of whether the justice department pursues it.
2. Loser pays the amount to winners choice of charity rather than directly to the winner.

If that's agreeable to you then we have a bet!
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Nope. Sorry. A recommendation to indict isn't an indictment. I don't believe I'm being pedantic on this point, though I'm happy to entertain discussion.

Otherwise, you betcha!

Slings and Arrows said:
Okay, let's make it a twenty dollar bet, at 10 to 1 odds.

If Crooked Hillary is indicted, you pay me $200; otherwise, I pay you $20.

Do we have a bet?
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You betcha!
 
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