NoahFence
Banned
....and the most hilarious part is they think they're pulling the wool over our eyes.
I found the missing Jolt.
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I'd say they're overjoyed at finding ways - any ways - to pull the wool over their own eyes.
1) You're wrong about it "just being perspective".
I've drawn verticals next to just about every vertical edge on that screen grab, and they all stay parallel to the buildings' edges, except for WTC7. If it were "perspective", (or lens distortion), then the vertical lines would not stay parallel to these other features.
2) The roofline of WTC7 in the image DOES slope down, noticeably.
3) As I said, this is from about 1 minute before the start of the collapse of the EPH. (Not seconds prior.) I wanted to get close to, but not into, the initial collapse.
Why don't you replicate what I've done here, from a screen grab of NIST's Camera 2 video. It should take all of about 10 minutes, tops, once you've got the screen grab.
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jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
It may be "perspective" only in that it shows a specific angle view. If the lean/bulge was only affecting the SW corner then any photo not showing the SW corner isn't going to illustrate this lean/bulge.
However, its all a moot point as it was visible enough and concerning enough to the firefighters on the scene to cause them to err on the side of caution at the very least. The dept had lost several hundred members within a few hours of responding to the scene. Would it be unusual for them to be cautious about sending another couple dozen into a building showing signs of AT LEAST a partial collapse!
JEEEZZZUUS!
ozeco41
Philosopher
Take care JDH - you just left behind the derail of the derailed derail and returned t the original issue - which was still a derail BUT.....
The decision was taken by the emergency commander (with advice from his peers) to cease fire fighting efforts at WTC7 >> that was a sound emergency management decision; AND
The identified bulge was a part but not all of the evidence used to support that EM decision.
AND - fwatitswurth - questions about the "engineer" - up to and including whether his grandmother could make pancakes - were irrelevant. The EM decision was still sound.
pgimeno said:
And this is excellent.
We have a little mystery.
But the point is that both pg & I bothered to do a little work.
And then to post it.
PG's results are just as valid as mine, and the two contradict each other. This is FAR from the first time that this has ever happened, and it's almost always a source of learning something interesting.
I invite anybody else to replicate the screen grab that I took from NIST's camera 2 video. You'll get the same thing that I did from that video.
It is a pretty low resolution video. But, I don't think that the resolution is so poor that the tilt effect can be explained by resolution.
Anyone who considers this of any importance (I don't) is welcome to pull multiple images from multiple sources & try to resolve the differences.
Unmitigated gibberish.
[ETA to clarify]
The mikes will respond the exact same way to the same sound pressure levels at the mike, regardless of whether it
All the thousands of commercial, consumer video cameras from 1995 - 2001 (& thru to today) that ever recorded a real CD had no problem whatsoever recording the enormously loud explosions.
You are clueless about recording technology, just making stuff up, or lying about this.
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jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
All well and good in order to solve the mystery. However, what is the mystery? That you found an image that corroborates the statements by fire officials, or that there was a lean or not?
The later is a reaction to 911T's contention of FDNY complicity which in turn is born solely out of a paranoid world view.
The former is of academic interest. As oz says, it was part of a correct emergency management decision.
That said, I suggest doing what you suggest but concentrating on South western and northwestern views
ComfySlippers
Banned
This is hilarious.
By pure coincidence, I was polishing my big boys when I noticed the mic gibberish.
I love it when clueless numpties decide they're experts.
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The CBS video picks up a constant background rumbling (traffic?) and voices very clearly. Not a sausage that's at all different just before collapse. I'll accept that different mikes pick up sound differently, but we're talking 130db at 1km here, 192 times in 1 second. (Have I mentioned that before?
)Skip to about 7:00 to get enough of a flavour of it.
Those conditions would also be satisfied with a thread hosted here. Surely it doesn't make any difference where the thread is hosted.
tfk has agreed to your terms - just say the word and I (or someone else) will start the thread.NoahFence
Banned
A moderated thread, to keep me out out the noise, yes?
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
I would suggest for the moderated thread:
1. Only Tony and tfk are participating.
2. No editing of posts allowed. If a correction needs to be made, it must be made in a subsequent post and an explanation is to be given for the correction.
3. Zero tolerance enforcement of MA.
4. If I were to choose a single Mod for the job? Myriad. No question.
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
I mentioned the derails a while ago. It was roundly ignored, I followed the pack.
No, it's not the Dan Rather Video.
There are 2 videos that are very, very similar.
The one I used is this link from NIST's website: CBS-Net Dub5 24.avi
You may have to log into NIST's website before that link will work.
For this video, you'll notice that the top of WTC7, prior to collapse, is well below the horizon.
The Dan Rather video looks very similar, but...
For this video, you'll notice that the top of WTC7, prior to collapse, is directly aligned with the horizon.