Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Vixen, just to warn you, it appears a crazy nutjob has hacked into your account and posed as you!! You will notice here:



that it was actually this crazy nutjob who called Amanda a demon. And they have the same screen name as you!!! And since we know you aren't the craziest person alive, and clearly would not deny saying something we have proof of you saying not two days ago (while at the same time claiming that *I* said it), it must have been a hacker. I wonder if they are a member of the Illuminati? Maybe Amanda is paying the PR supertanker to smear your pristine reputation and good name lol?



Well, actually Vixen, it would be you who invoked Godwin's law by calling Amanda one of the most vile demons in "living memory". I think Bill was just trying to get a handle on your level of crazy by trying to see where Amanda fell in this "most evil list". Before or after Hitler Vixen? Remember you said something like they at least can fall back on politics as an excuse (I can quote it if you want, assuming you don't want to lie and distort reality). So I'm guessing Amanda is at least a little worse than Hitler in your mind, right?



Well, technically, my form of debate involves explaining scientific principles and laws of probability and mathematics to prove why Amanda is in fact probably not a pagan sex demon. When certain posters (ahem) fail to understand logic and start invoking the Freemasons, demonology, and pagan witchcraft, logic and science tends to go out the door. My opponents then do in fact get labeled crazy at that point, yes.

..In response to your bonkers claim PGP think she's a witch.

Are you always in a state of hysteria?

It's pretty evil, n'est-ce pas, topping your 'friend' and then touring the country taking the piss out of Innocence Conferences and demanding compo.

 

[Vixen]

I would argue that they have lost nothing. None of them spent years in prison for things they did not do. They never faced the fear of maybe not being free again until they were 50. They never lost their early twenties which for many of us were are best years.

So many of them said they were in it for "true justice" for Meredith Kercher but if that had really been true they would be satisfied. This was never about that. No it was always about a sickness inside them. A hatred of women and their sexuality. A combination of misogynistic men and prudish women ashamed of their bodies and desires. Amanda epitomized a young beautiful girl becoming a woman who was experiencing a freedom that they may never have had. And they hated her for that.

There was absolutely no evidence that Amanda had ever set foot in that bedroom yet Amanda is the one they unleashed their soul rotting hatred on. The men were afterthoughts, barely footnotes for these sad misguided morons. The slut shaming and portrayal of Knox as dirty reached epic proportions. The focus on the toilet and cleaning habits, the lies about Amanda being a man eater femme fatale were absurd. Machiavelli turned her into a prostitute trading sexual favors for drugs despite zero evidence. Dr. Br Mull almost let this case destroy him and his career. Grahame Rhodes made death threats against Knox and even me. These myopic morons trolled the Internet and bullied many people including Steve Moore and Dr. Greg Hampikian railing against them to their employers. Many of us have stories how these full blown nutjobs went way over the line.

But the case is OVER. Knox and Sollecito have been EXONERATED despite feeble claims to the contrary. All that is left is the ECHR ruling of the human rights violation and the inevitable annulment of the callunia charge and the restitution.

That is when they will have lost it all. By that I don't mean anything tangible. Just their minds.

Unless you're happy for your wife, sister, daughter, niece, grandmother to lay every guy in town, you are a hypocrite. The fact is, it isn't being moralistic, but prostitution is dangerous. Most prostitutes have been badly beaten up, had their money stolen, forced in to expensive drug habits, and it is a fact, that much of the money from clients goes towards funding serious organised crime (the mafia), the drugs trade and the arms trade. I don't see what's 'misogynist' to objecting to this 'drugged up tart' (as Rudy claims Mez called her) putting her roommate in a vulnerable position at the hands of drug pushers, smugglers and panhandlers. Amanda was getting through €300- cash daily - this certainly suggests a drug habit and it would appear Mez was ripped off her rent for dirty money.

Her coked up boyfriend whom she met on a train and had a romp with regularly, was subsequently jailed as a drug smuggler.

 

[Bill Williams]

..In response to your bonkers claim PGP think she's a witch.

Are you always in a state of hysteria?

It's pretty evil, n'est-ce pas, topping your 'friend' and then touring the country taking the piss out of Innocence Conferences and demanding compo.

Do you ever listen to yourself? Do you recognize begging the question?

 

[acbytesla]

Unless you're happy for your wife, sister, daughter, niece, grandmother to lay every guy in town, you are a hypocrite. The fact is, it isn't being moralistic, but prostitution is dangerous. Most prostitutes have been badly beaten up, had their money stolen, forced in to expensive drug habits, and it is a fact, that much of the money from clients goes towards funding serious organised crime (the mafia), the drugs trade and the arms trade. I don't see what's 'misogynist' to objecting to this 'drugged up tart' (as Rudy claims Mez called her) putting her roommate in a vulnerable position at the hands of drug pushers, smugglers and panhandlers. Amanda was getting through €300- cash daily - this certainly suggests a drug habit and it would appear Mez was ripped off her rent for dirty money.

Her coked up boyfriend whom she met on a train and had a romp with regularly, was subsequently jailed as a drug smuggler.

Total bull feces. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.There is NOTHING wrong about a healthy attitude about sex and I certainly would want my sons and daughters to experience the joy and bliss of sex whether that be with a single partner or 20.

That you sickeningly attempt to equate a 20 year old woman sowing a few wild oats to prostitution proves my point about just how screwed up some people get. That you also feel the need to continue lying about Amanda just proves my point.

 

[analemma]

Unless you're happy for your wife, sister, daughter, niece, grandmother to lay every guy in town, you are a hypocrite.
Her coked up boyfriend whom she met on a train and had a romp with regularly, was subsequently jailed as a drug smuggler.

The PGP community is really losing it
Vixen and Chelsea(I wonder if vixen IS CHELSEA)have moved away from lies and factoids to even more preposterous lies and then all out name calling..
Not even the most lying lurid, lying tabloids ever came up with obvious nonsense and almost foaming at the mouth ranting.
Learn to live with it Chelsea, It is going to get much, MUCH worse.

 

[acbytesla]

The PGP community is really losing it
Vixen and Chelsea(I wonder if vixen IS CHELSEA)have moved away from lies and factoids to even more preposterous lies and then all out name calling..
Not even the most lying lurid, lying tabloids ever came up with obvious nonsense and almost foaming at the mouth ranting.
Learn to live with it Chelsea, It is going to get much, MUCH worse.

You're assuming they ever had it analemma. There are some seriously sick puppies on their side. They have never cared about the truth. Every foaming at the mouth lie they tell is somehow justified in their twisted and perverted minds.

There is no proof that Knox is a coke head, none. But that doesn't stop Vixen, Chelsea, Liz etc from suggesting Amanda is just because she was maybe spending more than she should have. What makes idiots go from that to believing and pronouncing that Knox was blowing her money on drugs and then suggesting Knox was prostituting herself for them.

This behavior makes me sick. It tells me I would be far more proud of having Amanda as a daughter than Chelsea et al. I would be ashamed of these PGP prudes wondering how and where could I take them to get the help they need.

 

[Kauffer]

Unless you're happy for your wife, sister, daughter, niece, grandmother to lay every guy in town, you are a hypocrite. The fact is, it isn't being moralistic, but prostitution is dangerous. Most prostitutes have been badly beaten up, had their money stolen, forced in to expensive drug habits, and it is a fact, that much of the money from clients goes towards funding serious organised crime (the mafia), the drugs trade and the arms trade. I don't see what's 'misogynist' to objecting to this 'drugged up tart' (as Rudy claims Mez called her) putting her roommate in a vulnerable position at the hands of drug pushers, smugglers and panhandlers. Amanda was getting through €300- cash daily - this certainly suggests a drug habit and it would appear Mez was ripped off her rent for dirty money.

Her coked up boyfriend whom she met on a train and had a romp with regularly, was subsequently jailed as a drug smuggler.

1) Post evidence for Knox's spending habits and post evidence that she bought drugs or was supplied with drugs commensurate with the amounts of money you refer to.
2) Post evidence linking the person whom Knox met whilst travelling to Perugia, to a drug conviction.
3) Post evidence for Knox meeting with this person 'regularly', post her first meeting with him.

Note: Wild, unsubstantiated claims are not evidence. So, just because, for example, van der Leek said something happened, it doesn't mean it's true.

 

[Desert Fox]

For the drugs that Amanda was using, $300 would be an insane amount of drugs. They tested her for drugs and found no actual hard drugs.

 

[acbytesla]

Delete

 

[Kauffer]

For the drugs that Amanda was using, $300 would be an insane amount of drugs. They tested her for drugs and found no actual hard drugs.

Quite. The absence of evidence is definitely evidence of absence, at least in this matter.

 

[Desert Fox]

Quite. The absence of evidence is definitely evidence of absence, at least in this matter.

I just did a check for the price of Pot and now I probably have the DEA looking at me.

I have never smoked Pot myself but I believe an ounce and a half is a lot of Pot.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

..In response to your bonkers claim PGP think she's a witch.

I find it astounding that with all your supposed "education", you don't know what a metaphor is.

And anyway, your rational response to me saying you're treating Amanda as if she is a witch is to say she is one of the most vile demons in living memory.

<Vixen> Amanda isn't a witch, that's totally bonkers!!! I can't believe you claim PGP are saying that! (And I have no idea what a metaphor is!!)
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She is actually one of the most vile demons in living memory!!

I don't know if this level of crazy is sad or hysterical. Still working that one out.

Are you always in a state of hysteria?

Hi there psychological projection, nice to meet you. Sorry your work this past 8 years on attempting to crucify an innocent girl from Seattle, and support your friends' income with their Amanda Knox true crime novels has all gone pear shaped on you. I can understand that this would not be healthy for your emotional well being, given how unstable you apparently are. It must be very hard for you to accept that you are actually the "vile demon" in all this and you and your peers have been committing acts of evil for the past 8 years. Have you guys thought of issuing an apology to Steve Moore and all of the other people you've slandered over the years?

It's pretty evil, n'est-ce pas, topping your 'friend' and then touring the country taking the piss out of Innocence Conferences and demanding compo.

You would have to be a grade A nutjob to still think Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito (remember him, Vixen?) are guilty at this point, after the Italian Supreme Court has decreed them innocent and every independent DNA expert who has examined this case has said there is ZERO evidence they did it. But hey, no one here is accusing you of being sane.

 

[Bill Williams]

You would have to be a grade A nutjob to still think Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito (remember him, Vixen?) are guilty at this point, after the Italian Supreme Court has decreed them innocent and every independent DNA expert who has examined this case has said there is ZERO evidence they did it. But hey, no one here is accusing you of being sane.

They throw in a few, "knife-boys", just to make it seem like they're "balanced" in their hate.

But nothing betrays the nut-jobbiness of their posts when by force of gravity they descend back into this witch-stuff on one of them.

Rudy, poor Rudy gets a free pass.

 

[acbytesla]

Unless you're happy for your wife, sister, daughter, niece, grandmother to lay every guy in town, you are a hypocrite. The fact is, it isn't being moralistic, but prostitution is dangerous. Most prostitutes have been badly beaten up, had their money stolen, forced in to expensive drug habits, and it is a fact, that much of the money from clients goes towards funding serious organised crime (the mafia), the drugs trade and the arms trade. I don't see what's 'misogynist' to objecting to this 'drugged up tart' (as Rudy claims Mez called her) putting her roommate in a vulnerable position at the hands of drug pushers, smugglers and panhandlers. Amanda was getting through €300- cash daily - this certainly suggests a drug habit and it would appear Mez was ripped off her rent for dirty money.

Her coked up boyfriend whom she met on a train and had a romp with regularly, was subsequently jailed as a drug smuggler.

I don't think I ever remember meeting anyone so willing to tell so many salacious lies and really for no reason, The mention of "prostitution is the sleaziest kind of innuendo and has nothing at all to support it. Now why would you do that? Do you really think this is moral? I certainly don't. .

Your willingness to embrace Meredith's actual killer's desperate lies in your disgusting mudslinging. Every judge on this case as well as his Rudy's own step father said that Rudy is a liar incapable of telling the truth yet you're willing to jump into bed with him. Seems to me it is you and Van Der Leek who are the ones prostituting themselves jumping into bed with a known lying killer to paint an innocent college student as a drug fiend and a whore.

"Have you no sense of decency"? Is there no depth of depravity that you won't stoop? Most whores are more moral and decent than the way you act.

 

[Bill Williams]

I don't think I ever remember meeting anyone so willing to tell so many salacious lies and really for no reason, The mention of "prostitution is the sleaziest kind of innuendo and has nothing at all to support it. Now why would you do that? Do you really think this is moral? I certainly don't. .


"Have you no sense of decency"? Is there no depth of depravity that you won't stoop? Most whores are more moral and decent than the way you act.

In this thread Vixen's posts show no decency. More to the point Vixen's tarted-up fantasies are not sustained by any of the motivation reports, even those from a convicting court. Since April 2015 she has posted lie after lie, easily refuted and linked to evidence which does not exist. She's posted pics which show the exact opposite of what she was claiming.

No one has rushed to this site to defend her, not even Nick van der Leek the cut and paste author she worked with.

She'll run out of steam, but then like a Trump candidacy everyone misjudges the fire in her belly.

Which is Godwin's corollary - if a thread goes long enough, someone will bring up Donald Trump!

 

[acbytesla]

In this thread Vixen's posts show no decency. More to the point Vixen's tarted-up fantasies are not sustained by any of the motivation reports, even those from a convicting court. Since April 2015 she has posted lie after lie, easily refuted and linked to evidence which does not exist. She's posted pics which show the exact opposite of what she was claiming.

No one has rushed to this site to defend her, not even Nick van der Leek the cut and paste author she worked with.

She'll run out of steam, but then like a Trump candidacy everyone misjudges the fire in her belly.

Which is Godwin's corollary - if a thread goes long enough, someone will bring up Donald Trump!

Sadly Bill, this is what this thread has devolved to. My characterization of the PGP's motivations as an unhealthy mix of misogynistic males and prudish frigid bitties seems to have hit a little too close to home if you know what I mean.

 

[Desert Fox]

Sadly Bill, this is what this thread has devolved to. My characterization of the PGP's motivations as an unhealthy mix of misogynistic males and prudish frigid bitties seems to have hit a little too close to home if you know what I mean.

There is really very little left to discussion with regards to the case. . . .There will always be people who believe they are guilty.

 

[Bill Williams]

There is really very little left to discussion with regards to the case. . . .There will always be people who believe they are guilty.

True. What's to discuss, in the sense of a back and forth where each side learns something new?

Both sides are now throwing assertions at each other. Innocentisti are simply repeating what Italian judges are now saying, complete with citations to prove they are, in fact saying..... "the pair were exonerated". (Cf Boninsegna's motivations report.) You can argue if you wish whether or not they were factually exonerated, but you cannot argue that Italian judges are putting it that way.....

Haters are throwing the standard tarted-up, slut-shaming factoids at only one of the parties to this, and letting the known killer, Rudy Guede, off the hook. Raffaele is often an afterthought.

Thus endeth the summary of where this thread is at.

 

[Vixen]

True. What's to discuss, in the sense of a back and forth where each side learns something new?

Both sides are now throwing assertions at each other. Innocentisti are simply repeating what Italian judges are now saying, complete with citations to prove they are, in fact saying..... "the pair were exonerated". (Cf Boninsegna's motivations report.) You can argue if you wish whether or not they were factually exonerated, but you cannot argue that Italian judges are putting it that way.....

Haters are throwing the standard tarted-up, slut-shaming factoids at only one of the parties to this, and letting the known killer, Rudy Guede, off the hook. Raffaele is often an afterthought.

Thus endeth the summary of where this thread is at.

Hysterical gobbledegook. Two merits courts found insurmountable evidence of the pair's culpability. Marasca & Bruno had to trudge up excuses such as the'police' and 'press' to acquit, given the physical evidence is rock solid.

The true prudes and misogynists are the sexist ***** who feel free to make disgusting sexist comments to people who happen to disagree with them.

Make no mistake, big money was involved in this, and the case has zero to do with 'slut shaming'. This is the 21st century. No-one cares a darn who shags whom.

However, reckless promiscuity remains a Hare's diagnostic of psychopathy, and this is how it is relevant to Amanda's conduct and callous outlook on life. It is legitimate to discuss her unwanted attentions towards Mez, given the evidence against her in this murder and sexual assault. Mez' privacy, dignity and right to withhold consent were violated to gratify the urges of degenerates imposing their will on her.

ETA Having sex with a drug dealer in exchange for drugs is prostitution.

 

[Bill Williams]

Hysterical gobbledegook. Two merits courts found insurmountable evidence of the pair's culpability. Marasca & Bruno had to trudge up excuses such as the'police' and 'press' to acquit, given the physical evidence is rock solid.

The true prudes and misogynists are the sexist ***** who feel free to make disgusting sexist comments to people who happen to disagree with them.

Make no mistake, big money was involved in this, and the case has zero to do with 'slut shaming'. This is the 21st century. No-one cares a darn who shags whom.

However, recklass promiscuity remains a Hare's diagnostic of psychopathy, and this is how it is relevant to Amanda's conduct and callous outlook on life.

You really need a good look in the mirror. Few, other than you, default so much into slut-shaming. "This case" was initially leaked to the press as if it had something to do with sex games, and none of the courts - even the ones you cite - agree with that.

But it is nice you devolve into conspiracy and "big money". Lurkers (if any are left) can make of that what they wish.