This is OT... I apologize.
I am now convinced that a significant element if paranoia is present amongst some of the truth movement people... based on two emails I received.
People are entitled to believe what they want... and try to influence and bring others along with them. I think this IS what the 9/11 truth movement does. However, I don't think they have made the case and have as noted above convinced mostly naive and politically driven people with a massive distrust of all things establishment.
Of course they occasionally do try to pitch their points to those who are objective and technically competent and have converted no one as far as I know after trying for a decade using AE911T as their platform.
We know AE911T conducts no research, has raised millions of dollars since its inceptions and is little more than a marketing operation repeating what is essentially "junk" science which it has not vetted and could not vet.
When pressed their proponents come up with "scenarios" which are simply impossible to pull off... such as the total simuiltaneous destruction of scores of columns over multiple continuous floors in buildings that have been burning for hours. And that is the CD version. Anti establishment truth people have come up with mini nukes, Directed energy weapons, non existent nano thermite, no planes, holograph planes, remote controlled planes. Whereas everyone one sees steel toppling and falling over from the twin towers... the truth people see it as being explosively ejected to one and a half times the distance it actually was (WFC damage).
And it's not as if people have given rational support to demonstrate that their ideas of wrong. They have for years.
A large aspect of their belief is that the "official" investigations were a "fraud" and a cover up... yet another layer of the conspiracy. Of course it is possible and likely that no precise detailed play by play explanation of chaotic and extremely complete events have some errors. Nit picking and finding the smallest mistake become proof that they "officials" had ti engage in deception to cover for the real cause... the inside job done as a false flag... presumably to start wars, grab oil, collect insurance and make out on the stock market, destroy damaging legal records, and kill whistle blowers who could expose their conspiracy.
No affirmative case has been made with evidence of an inside job false flag. It's a hard case to make and so they try to sow seeds of doubt... such as make false claims that free fall motion means CD. People are notoriously not skilled and trained observers and can easily be led by someone claims they are (Chandler for example). Cole produces experiments which easily convince only those who don't understand physics but don't demonstrate what he attempts and physicists and engineers see right through the ruse. Harrit et all... a bunch of co authors with no technical background publish in an unreputable pay to publish online journal and claim their work has been peer reviewed. Their "scientific" conclusion has not be reproduced.... as one is expects to be done. It's been falsified by others.
Because of the complexity of the collapse, there likely are alternate theories to explain the initiation phase of the three collapses. There was an absence of real time data which would have assisted in identifying the actual sequence. Reasonable assumptions were used based on the data that could be found. The official explanations are best educated guesses using known energy inputs and some assumed values for those inputs.
People CAN argue / discuss / debate the initiation... and the mechanisms of the progression to complete collapse. And they should. But these discussions will be driven by a different set of assumptions and values. Introducing DEWs or mini nukes of silent explosives cannot be taken seriously. And it is not by people who accept and practice science and engineering to explain the way the world works. This involves scientific principle and mathematical modeling of them and it does become complex beyond the reach for those who have not studied and completed physics or engineering at university level.
The truth movement will continue to recruit the naive... and fail to convince the engineers and scientists. When they do meet no minds are changed. The engineers find the truth guy's arguments absurd... and the truth guys think the engineers are part of the cover up and shills paid and unpaid for the cover up.
As someone who has been accused multiple times of being a paid shill, a dis info agent and worse by truth leaders and their followers... who has worked inside their movement for a while because of a genuine interest to see what the claimed "truth" might be... and found nothing but a marketing operation... I see no end to this squabble... which has degenerated into an online version of a schoolyard brawl. It is frustrating and amusing at the same time. It can be instructive as well because some decent science is exposed.
No minds are being changed and what happened is not a matter of opinion. People will cling to there opinions but they can't manufacture their own facts.
I am now convinced that a significant element if paranoia is present amongst some of the truth movement people... based on two emails I received.
People are entitled to believe what they want... and try to influence and bring others along with them. I think this IS what the 9/11 truth movement does. However, I don't think they have made the case and have as noted above convinced mostly naive and politically driven people with a massive distrust of all things establishment.
Of course they occasionally do try to pitch their points to those who are objective and technically competent and have converted no one as far as I know after trying for a decade using AE911T as their platform.
We know AE911T conducts no research, has raised millions of dollars since its inceptions and is little more than a marketing operation repeating what is essentially "junk" science which it has not vetted and could not vet.
When pressed their proponents come up with "scenarios" which are simply impossible to pull off... such as the total simuiltaneous destruction of scores of columns over multiple continuous floors in buildings that have been burning for hours. And that is the CD version. Anti establishment truth people have come up with mini nukes, Directed energy weapons, non existent nano thermite, no planes, holograph planes, remote controlled planes. Whereas everyone one sees steel toppling and falling over from the twin towers... the truth people see it as being explosively ejected to one and a half times the distance it actually was (WFC damage).
And it's not as if people have given rational support to demonstrate that their ideas of wrong. They have for years.
A large aspect of their belief is that the "official" investigations were a "fraud" and a cover up... yet another layer of the conspiracy. Of course it is possible and likely that no precise detailed play by play explanation of chaotic and extremely complete events have some errors. Nit picking and finding the smallest mistake become proof that they "officials" had ti engage in deception to cover for the real cause... the inside job done as a false flag... presumably to start wars, grab oil, collect insurance and make out on the stock market, destroy damaging legal records, and kill whistle blowers who could expose their conspiracy.
No affirmative case has been made with evidence of an inside job false flag. It's a hard case to make and so they try to sow seeds of doubt... such as make false claims that free fall motion means CD. People are notoriously not skilled and trained observers and can easily be led by someone claims they are (Chandler for example). Cole produces experiments which easily convince only those who don't understand physics but don't demonstrate what he attempts and physicists and engineers see right through the ruse. Harrit et all... a bunch of co authors with no technical background publish in an unreputable pay to publish online journal and claim their work has been peer reviewed. Their "scientific" conclusion has not be reproduced.... as one is expects to be done. It's been falsified by others.
Because of the complexity of the collapse, there likely are alternate theories to explain the initiation phase of the three collapses. There was an absence of real time data which would have assisted in identifying the actual sequence. Reasonable assumptions were used based on the data that could be found. The official explanations are best educated guesses using known energy inputs and some assumed values for those inputs.
People CAN argue / discuss / debate the initiation... and the mechanisms of the progression to complete collapse. And they should. But these discussions will be driven by a different set of assumptions and values. Introducing DEWs or mini nukes of silent explosives cannot be taken seriously. And it is not by people who accept and practice science and engineering to explain the way the world works. This involves scientific principle and mathematical modeling of them and it does become complex beyond the reach for those who have not studied and completed physics or engineering at university level.
The truth movement will continue to recruit the naive... and fail to convince the engineers and scientists. When they do meet no minds are changed. The engineers find the truth guy's arguments absurd... and the truth guys think the engineers are part of the cover up and shills paid and unpaid for the cover up.
As someone who has been accused multiple times of being a paid shill, a dis info agent and worse by truth leaders and their followers... who has worked inside their movement for a while because of a genuine interest to see what the claimed "truth" might be... and found nothing but a marketing operation... I see no end to this squabble... which has degenerated into an online version of a schoolyard brawl. It is frustrating and amusing at the same time. It can be instructive as well because some decent science is exposed.
No minds are being changed and what happened is not a matter of opinion. People will cling to there opinions but they can't manufacture their own facts.
