I found the missing Jolt.

[Tony Szamboti]

Why not do you realize your comedy gold to people, who actually know wtf they are talking about?
You can't get these great big belly laughs anywhere else.

It is well known that the regulars on this forum who deny controlled demolition at all costs, in the face of well reasoned arguments for its use on 911, have to be active participants in the cover-up of what actually occurred on 911.

The disingenuous arguments used and the inordinate amount of time spent on this type of forum, by those individuals, gives them away. You are probably one as your arguments are exceedingly disingenuous and you spend enormous amounts of time on this forum.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

One thing we DO know is the minimum requirement in your scenario - one explosive charge per column per floor. And detonated over the course of about 1 second, if I recall your claim correctly.

Is that a fair summary? If so, that's a minimum of 192 explosions in 1 second, each of which sufficiently powerful to break a column splice in the affected area.

If that's your claim then there's probably someone here who could work out a plausible-yet-conservative size for a typical charge of this nature. R Mackey (I think) did it years ago for WTC1, but its columns were much less substantial at the point of collapse than WTC7's.

That's easy, Zero, cutter charges are ruled out by lack of intrusion, and basic explosives are ruled out by lack of abrasions, and deformations.
That's why Steven E. Cold Fusion, Over unity Jones proposed thermite in the first place, Tony just bought into that BS.
Now with his reputation gone he has no way out.
BS. On top of BS. Just makes a bigger pile of BS, that's harder or impossible to dig yourself out of.

 

[Spanx]

It is well known that the regulars on this forum who deny controlled demolition at all costs, in the face of well reasoned arguments for its use on 911, have to be active participants in the cover-up of what actually occurred on 911.

The disingenuous arguments used and the inordinate amount of time spent on this type of forum, by those individuals, gives them away. You are probably one as your arguments are exceedingly disingenuous and you spend enormous amounts of time on this forum.

Was it you that planted the explosives you keep talking about?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Was it you that planted the explosives you keep talking about?

No, I was never inside the twin towers or WTC 7. Were you?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

That's easy, Zero, cutter charges are ruled out by lack of intrusion, and basic explosives are ruled out by lack of abrasions, and deformations.
That's why Steven E. Cold Fusion, Over unity Jones proposed thermite in the first place, Tony just bought into that BS.
Now with his reputation gone he has no way out.
BS. On top of BS. Just makes a bigger pile of BS, that's harder or impossible to dig yourself out of.

I don't think my reputation has any problems. The webinar I did on WTC 7 for AE911Truth a few weeks ago had 300 people watching live and it is over 2,700 views now. An engineer I work with, that I gave the link to, watched it and said it was impressive.

I also get thanked for speaking out about the problems with the 911 story we were told by authorities quite often. I'll bet none of the anti-controlled demolition regulars here can say they are thanked for trying to stand up and keep the fraud which has been perpetrated intact.

 

[GlennB]

The disingenuous arguments used ...

What's disingenuous about calculating the minimum number of charges required according to your proposed scenario, and using the time for their synchronised discharge proposed by you to draw attention to the fact that this would have been a very loud event indeed?

An explosive event whose very obvious quietness you don't even begin to explain.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

What's disingenuous about calculating the minimum number of charges required according to your proposed scenario, and using the time for their synchronised discharge proposed by you to draw attention to the fact that this would have been a very loud event indeed?

An explosive event whose very obvious quietness you don't even begin to explain.

You do realize this thread is about the dynamics of the collapses right?

Your off-topic posts are diluting the discussion.

You should start another thread if you want to ask people how many and what type of charges would have been used.

 

[Spanx]

I don't think my reputation has any problems. The webinar I did for AE911Truth a few weeks ago had 300 people watching live and it is over 2,700 views now. An engineer I work with, that I gave the link to, watched it and said it was impressive.

.

With figures like that the new investigation won't be long.

I hope you have told them you were nowhere near the towers or wtc7 and have gathered all of your evidence from YouTube (plus added a bit of magic)

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

It is well known that the regulars on this forum who deny controlled demolition at all costs, in the face of well reasoned arguments for its use on 911, have to be active participants in the cover-up of what actually occurred on 911.

The disingenuous arguments used and the inordinate amount of time spent on this type of forum, by those individuals, gives them away. You are probably one as your arguments are exceedingly disingenuous and you spend enormous amounts of time on this forum.

It is totally intellectually dishonest of you to say someone is disingenuous Tony, when you provide no credible or relevent evidence of Claim, you appear to me not as an engineering professional, or someone with any experience, but as an uninformed Lay person.
That is giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you are not a willing and deliberate fraud.
I know that Johnathan Cole is a fraud, by his experiments Tony, I give you the benefit of the doubt as a point of courtesy as a fellow member of ISF, but that is as much courtesy that I as
Someone who actually knows something can give you.
I think it is impossible for you to admit how totally silly your claims are in light of the evidence, as I told an old friend recently, your pride simply will not allow you to admit you were and are wrong.
You will fight over this old dry bone forever, you're stuck in the quicksand of Trutherism.

 

[GlennB]

You do realize this thread is about the dynamics of the collapses right?

Your off-topic posts are diluting the discussion.

You should start another thread if you want to ask people how many and what type of charges would have been used.

Collapse initiation is an absolutely central issue.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

It is totally intellectually dishonest of you to say someone is disingenuous Tony, when you provide no credible or relevent evidence of Claim, you appear to me not as an engineering professional, or someone with any experience, but as an uninformed Lay person.
That is giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you are not a willing and deliberate fraud.
I know that Johnathan Cole is a fraud, by his experiments Tony, I give you the benefit of the doubt as a point of courtesy as a fellow member of ISF, but that is as much courtesy that I as
Someone who actually knows something can give you.
I think it is impossible for you to admit how totally silly your claims are in light of the evidence, as I told an old friend recently, your pride simply will not allow you to admit you were and are wrong.
You will fight over this old dry bone forever, you're stuck in the quicksand of Trutherism.

The arguments of the anti-controlled demolition regulars here, like you, are disingenuous. They are of your making, so it is on you. I am merely pointing it out, along with others who have seen through the deceit.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I don't think my reputation has any problems. The webinar I did on WTC 7 for AE911Truth a few weeks ago had 300 people watching live and it is over 2,700 views now. An engineer I work with, that I gave the link to, watched it and said it was impressive.

I also get thanked for speaking out about the problems with the 911 story we were told by authorities quite often. I'll bet none of the anti-controlled demolition regulars here can say they are thanked for trying to stand up and keep the fraud which has been perpetrated intact.

You do know that I shared that video with many of my friends and it was a laugh riot for us, as I said you can't buy comedy that good.

I get thanked by family members of the fallen, and by first responders all the time, as well as by knowledgeable engineering professionals, and Scientists.

So what?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

I get thanked by family members of the fallen, and by first responders all the time, as well as by knowledgeable engineering professionals, and Scientists.

So what?

I would like to see proof that you have been thanked for your anti-controlled demolition stance by those you mention here.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I would like to see proof that you have been thanked for your anti-controlled demolition stance by those you mention here.

That would involve posting private Emails, which as you probably know I will not do.
It is just an example of what can happen when you tell the truth.

 

[ozeco41]

Collapse initiation is an absolutely central issue.

Only Tony could claim that it is not a central issue.

In a thread about the alleged "Missing Jolt" AKA the "Jolt That Could Never Have Been"

Except of course that Tony's "Missing Jolt" STARTED with a presumption that the Top Section was already dropping. He has never explained how that came about.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

The arguments of the anti-controlled demolition regulars here, like you, are disingenuous. They are of your making, so it is on you. I am merely pointing it out, along with others who have seen through the deceit.

I know earning your pay from Gage, you have nothing scientificly to base a foundation of knowledge on, so your constantly falling into a singularity of Pesudo Science and irrelevant nonsense.
Just like your Friend Cole.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

I know earning your pay from Gage, you have nothing scientificly to base a foundation of knowledge on, so your constantly falling into a singularity of Pesudo Science and irrelevant nonsense.
Just like your Friend Cole.

I do not receive money from AE911Truth. In fact, it is just the opposite, as I contribute to its cause with a small amount monthly.

I saw 911 for the fraud it was a number of months before AE911truth was started. I signed its petition to voice my support for the real investigation we need, but have never had.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

That would involve posting private Emails, which as you probably know I will not do.
It is just an example of what can happen when you tell the truth.

I do not believe you have ever been thanked for your anti-controlled demolition stance by those who were affected by what happened in NYC on 911 and you certainly aren't telling the truth. I can't be sure it is witting on your part, but it seems likely.

There are others here who I am sure are simply lying through their teeth and trying to stand up the fraud for money, or to protect someone they are ingratiated to, or very possibly themselves.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I do not receive money from AE911Truth. In fact, it is just the opposite, as I contribute to its cause with a small amount monthly.

I saw 911 for the fraud it was a number of months before AE911truth was started. I signed its petition to voice my support for the real investigation we need, but have never had.

In other words you viewed Loose Change and bought into the Woo of Dylan Avery, You don't
even have enough knowledge on the subject matter to have an informed opinion.
You have no Idea how explosives or even thermite cutter charges work, no understanding of the chemistry and physics.
Basicly you jumped into an assumption, and now your stuck in LaLa land, with people as clueless who have less knowledge than you do about the subject.
You remind me of my conversations with Judy Woods and Fetzer in 2005-6.
Or with Steven in 2005-7 on the microspheres, and natural thermitic reactions.
Cole I wouldn't even want to take the time to address, he is either so incompetent that he can't design proper experiments or he is a total fraud.

You do know that I took thermite and cut though 4 inch thick standing steel in 2007, easy as butter, and informed NIST it could be done, and also why it was not done, all it took was using an oxygant that I could control, to use the steel as fuel.
However the pattern of cut could never match the intelligent cut pattern on the column Steven put in his highly flaud pesudo science bull crap.
Evidence Tony real freaking meaningful evidence that is what you will never find, that is what you will never have, so you can continue on with your fantasy because it is of no consequence, and never will be of any consequence to any Logical knowledgable person.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

In other words you viewed Loose Change and bought into the Woo of Dylan Avery, You don't
even have enough knowledge on the subject matter to have an informed opinion.
You have no Idea how explosives or even thermite cutter charges work, no understanding of the chemistry and physics.
Basicly you jumped into an assumption, and now your stuck in LaLa land, with people as clueless who have less knowledge than you do about the subject.
You remind me of my conversations with Judy Woods and Fetzer in 2005-6.
Or with Steven in 2005-7 on the microspheres, and natural thermitic reactions.
Cole I wouldn't even want to take the time to address, he is either so incompetent that he can't design proper experiments or he is a total fraud.

You do know that I took thermite and cut though 4 inch thick standing steel in 2007, easy as butter, and informed NIST it could be done, and also why it was not done, all it took was using an oxygant that I could control, to use the steel as fuel.
However the pattern of cut could never match the intelligent cut pattern on the column Steven put in his highly flaud pesudo science bull crap.
Evidence Tony real freaking meaningful evidence that is what you will never find, that is what you will never have, so you can continue on with your fantasy because it is of no consequence, and never will be of any consequence to any Logical knowledgable person.

it isn't pesudo science you are using it is pseudo science. Once you get that straightened out I might be able to believe you can even possibly do some of the other things you claim. First things first you know.

La La Land is the present official story we have had crammed down our throats.