Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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The Don said:
IOW it's nothing at all like Trump's policy of attempting to round up and deport 3% of the national population then.
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No, he's saying Canadian immigration law is strict and/or enforced thoroughly enough that such "Trumpian" measures would never have to occur, and "sanctuary cities" are not a thing in Canada. I don't know anything about Canadian immigration law, but that's what Wildcat's claiming.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
If you don't quit your job, volunteer for Hillary's campaign, and send her all your money, then you are helping Trump win.
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No, I'm not. If I lived in the states and didn't vote for Hillary, I would be though.

It's a binary election system in the US. Jill Stein need not apply.
 
uke2se said:
No, I'm not. If I lived in the states and didn't vote for Hillary, I would be though.

It's a binary election system in the US. Jill Stein need not apply.
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No it's not. It's a two-party system, but you can vote for whoever you want as President. You can write in Mickey Mouse and vote for him (and a lot of people do).
 
uke2se said:
Explain what I missed, please. I mean, I realize he tried to turn my words against me, but since it doesn't fit, his ploy didn't work.
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I'm not Axiom_Blade, so I can't speak for them, but this is how I understood their argument.


You said that if I vote for a 3rd party it's basically a vote for Trump. After all, it's a 2 party system and if I'm not helping Clinton then I'm ultimately helping Trump. Also let's ignore the equally valid but contradictory argument that my voting for 3rd party is basically a vote for Clinton as I'm not helping Trump so I'm ultimately helping Clinton.

But we know that Trump or Clinton isn't winning the presidency from my vote alone. That's why there are so many campaign volunteers, donations to candidates, media pieces, debates, door knocking, and so forth. You need to persuade people to vote for your candidate and to go to the polls.

If you're not helping Clinton accomplish this by working for the Clinton campaign full time, donating all your money, and in your spare time driving people to get registered or vote on election day, then you're ultimately helping Trump.

Best of all you don't even have to live here or be able to vote to do some of those things for the Clinton campaign.
 
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Clinton Fans in California Torch Sanders as Egotistical and Destructive

The acrimony intensifies as Clinton fans accuse Sanders of boosting presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump.

“Ego.” “Self-interest.” “Blinded by the spotlight.” “It's become all about him.” “Almost inciting violence.”

These are some of the words Hillary Clinton’s supporters at her rallies this week in California had for Bernie Sanders as he escalates his fight for a Democratic presidential nomination.

The acrimony over the Vermont senator's defiance is reaching a fever pitch as Clinton tries to move on to the general election against presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump, only to be painted by her competitor as a puppet of Wall Street who wouldn’t fix America’s problems.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-torch-sanders-as-egotistical-and-destructive (May 26, 2016)
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Bernie Sanders (bless his heart) just keeps repeating the same message: Crooked Hillary is the "puppet of Wall Street." Meanwhile, Donald Trump has successfully branded her as a crook and a choke artist.

It's time for Crooked Hillary to pack up her pantsuits and go home -- she's finished.

Reference:
#DropOutHillary
#ReleaseTheTranscripts
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Bernie Sanders (bless his heart) just keeps repeating the same message: Crooked Hillary is the "puppet of Wall Street." Meanwhile, Donald Trump has successfully branded her as a crook and a choke artist.

It's time for Crooked Hillary to pack up her pantsuits and go home -- she's finished.

Reference:
#DropOutHillary
#ReleaseTheTranscripts
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So Sanders has found several hundred more delegates an a couple of million extra votes? Because if he hasn't Clinton ain't done.
 
Garrison said:
So Sanders has found several hundred more delegates an a couple of million extra votes? Because if he hasn't Clinton ain't done.
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From the Perspective of Senator Sanders and his Supporters, the best way to keep Trump out of the White House is for Him to be the Democratic Party Nominee

Even though I no longer support Senator Sanders’ presidential primary bid, I do agree with both his reasoning and supporting evidences. I separate from his campaign due to differences regarding his contra-science perspectives on some important technological issues, but the reasoning he gives regarding Hillary and Trump are definitely something which should be seriously considered by any electorate group seeking to prevent a Trump presidency:
http://www.alternet.org/election-20...-death-hillary-clinton-will-lose-donald-trump
“Bernie Sanders Is 'Scared to Death' Hillary Clinton Will Lose to Donald Trump: Sanders isn't helping Trump by staying in the race—he's giving the Democratic Party twice as much representation.”
… “What we’re saying is, it is absurd to my mind that Clinton has 400 superdelegate votes before the first ballot is cast and that we have to compete in a situation in which we’re up against closed primaries where a significant part of the population can’t vote.”
On the other hand, Sanders believes that Clinton's establishment ties will continue to hurt her moving into a general election.
“The American people are sick and tired of establishment politics. That’s what it is. Do people really agree with Donald Trump’s absurd views? No. ... And he’s a phony, of course... they perceive him to be ... ‘anti-establishment.' And anybody who is anti-establishment is better than the establishment... Hillary Clinton is the establishment," Sanders pointed out…
(quoted from Young Turks interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-_6IoxmfzU )
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So, while Hillary would lose the anti-establishment (Rep. and Dem.) moderates, there are also a lot of the “anyone-but-Trump” right-base” groups (eg fiscal and social Conservatives, Evangelicals, and some talk even among Soccer moms) are relatively quickly locking step in the name of “Anyone But Clinton” easy as ABC, 123,….I’d copyright it but I doubt it’s original to anyone that doesn’t wear coral tinted Clinton glasses…
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.722044
… benefiting from a wave of GOP donors, party leaders, voters and conservative groups that are uniting under a new banner: "Never Hillary."
"Nothing unites Republicans better than a Clinton," says Scott Reed, a political strategist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce who has advised previous GOP campaigns. While Reed says there remain "many unknowns" about Trump, he adds that "the knowns about Hillary are very powerful motivators to Republicans."
Thanks to Republicans' deep disdain for the likely Democratic nominee, Trump is piling up those kinds of lukewarm GOP endorsements…
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I wonder how long it will take her to regain her crown of “most disliked” candidate this late in the nomination process? My best guess is: “ not too long,” especially given MSNBC (the all Hillary, all the time for the last year network) cut loose with these:

{soundbyte-]“It doesn’t hold up. There are so many inconsistencies, including their response yesterday,” journalist Andrea Mitchell said in the same discussion, adding: “We now see new emails, never turned over, never before revealed, that the IG found. What’s that all about? And one of them has her writing to [her aide] Huma Abedin that she’ll go with … another private device after spamming and things were not being received. … She said we want to make sure that the personal is not accessible.”


[soundbyte - .“The facts are that when Secretary Kerry came into office, it was long before anybody knew about the private server. And he was transitioning from the senate and immediately archived those…[Clinton] is the only secretary of state who not only used a private server, but turned over nothing.”[/quote]​

Though I won’t be voting for Bernie, I can certainly understand the reasoning that leads him to believe that it will be much harder to defeat Trump with Hillary, than it would be with Bernie.
 
Killary in Kalifornia

Went looking for video of those California rallies and found this, must be some school aula or something in San Jose. Easily hundreds of people and that wall of morons they built on the "stage" is yuuge:


Highlights of the speech according to this "cynical" video (background wall of morons looks impressive ;):D):

 
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uke2se said:
No, I'm not. If I lived in the states and didn't vote for Hillary, I would be though.

It's a binary election system in the US. Jill Stein need not apply.
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This is the kind of rhetoric used to marginalize us. We have just as much of a right to participate in this political system as the Republicans and Democrats do.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Went looking for video of those California rallies and found this, must be some school aula or something in San Jose. Easily hundreds of people and that wall of morons they built on the "stage" is yuuge...
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Crooked Hillary had approximately 200 people attend her sorry excuse for a rally on Thursday, at Parkside Hall Convention Center in San Jose -- her horndog husband Bill usually draws even fewer than that to his laughable yawn-a-thons.

By contrast, on Friday Donald Trump packed the San Diego Convention Center with over 25,000 cheering supporters.

Reference:
Hillary Clinton makes campaign stop in San Jose
35 protesters arrested outside Trump rally in San Diego
 
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Axiom_Blade said:
This is the kind of rhetoric used to marginalize us. We have just as much of a right to participate in this political system as the Republicans and Democrats do.
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Sure you do. However, you should take responsibility for your actions. In this election, if you want the most left-wing government there is, you should vote for Clinton, as not doing so helps ensure you get the most right-wing government there is. And a loudmouth buffon and extremist populist for a president.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Worse still, things got so bad that out of necessity Bill was forced to send his lovely wife out into the workforce taking menial jobs with a meager salary -- $225,000 per speech courtesy of Goldman Sachs and other criminals.
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Daughter Chelsea was forced to give up her dream to be a pediatric cardiologist, and instead work for a hedge fund.
 
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