Gord_in_Toronto
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The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017
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My toaster/oven stopped working. Does that mean this is the beginning?
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So you're a supporter of hidden variable interpretations? But what has that got to do with relativity?
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Try resetting your kitchen GFCI. Last time we had a Mercury transit it tripped my GFCI, probably the same issue.
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No, but the electrons traveling through the heating coils may have slowed down.
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Perhaps they have encountered an insurmountable barrier...
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I don't think that's it; my watch just stopped working, my salt shaker is empty and ... wait ... I think the sun just turned off.
You are conflating ignorance with stupidity.
Random represents ignorance. The title of this thread represents stupidity.
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It's probably powered by an electric generator which uses magnetic fields, and magnetic fields are just the relativistic effect of electric fields in a reference frame where the source is no longer stationary. So in that sense, yes: his toaster wouldn't work without relativity.
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Well it's one way of looking at it.
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General Relativity is not the correct theory for the cause of gravity
The table below shows the differences between the Lorentz transformation factors based on kinematic effect (SR) and the gravitational based effect (GR).
These 2 factors are the foundation for different kind of resulting relativistic effects.
Relativistic Mass and Energy are two sides of the same coin and therefore always inseparable from each other. This includes Kinematic Energy as well as Potential Energy which also always is converted to / subject to; - change of relativistic mass.
Because Mass (M) is a relativistic variant, the same magnitude Force (F) will due to F=M*a result in different speed (under different circumstances).
Relativistic mass is not a constant when subjected to a change in altitude, within gravitational fields.
It is sum of the positive and negative relativistic mass that reflects how strong matter is connected to space, and therefore the net result of relativistic mass is also the factor responsible for the magnitude of kinematic anomalies.
As stated initially, it is the magnitude of relativistic mass that is responsible for how strong matter is connected to the elastic space.
Objects inside a gravitational field are differently affected due to the combination of SR effects (Relativistic Resistance against motion), and the opposite GR effect (which have an opposite accelerating effect on orbiting objects).
The difference between these two factors result (in our solar system) in an accelerating impacting affect especially applying for the inner planets. Surplus of kinematic energy is forcing planets gradually to increase their potential energy.
Where did this energy come from?
Well, – objects that periodically follows predominantly aligned orbit inclination (relative to DFA) are during these periods gradually being forced more elliptical as well as closer to the central astronomic body the objects are orbiting. It happens despite the above described anti-collapsing orbit property, simply due to is due to the periodically stronger and dominating active EDFA periods.
Predominantly perpendicularly inclination periods (relative to DFA) are EDFA-neutral allowing trapped kinematic energy to be released (converted to gravitational potential energy).
We should believe trapped kinematic orbit energy fast can be released during EDFA-neutral periods, but the fact is that surplus of energy is trapped by a perihelion / aphelion ping-pong effect.
The attempt to reverse kinetic energy to potential energy is instead causing unexpected increased potential and kinetic energy by perihelion. Kinetic energy gained by perihelion is converted to potential energy when reaching aphelion.
A result of that is that planets trajectory would no longer be in a free fall geodesic, and from this reasoning other more complicated anomalies can be expected, such as perihelion precision anomalies, and flyby anomalies..
The larger the orbit eccentricity is, and the deeper inside gravitational fields these are, the more significant perihelion anomalies should be expected and the faster are elliptical orbits forced circular.
In short, – all planets that are in our solar system are now forced slowly away from the Sun, as well as being forced towards having more circular orbits.
Modelling is very complex and is not presently available.
It does seem without a doubt that this soon will replace the prevailing “curvature of space” paradigm, because the cause of the perihelion precession anomaly of Mercury is very much different as we thought it to be, which will leave the prevailing “curvature of space” paradigm without any evidence at all.
The table below shows the differences between the Lorentz transformation factors based on kinematic effect (SR) and the gravitational based effect (GR).
These 2 factors are the foundation for different kind of resulting relativistic effects.
Relativistic Mass and Energy are two sides of the same coin and therefore always inseparable from each other. This includes Kinematic Energy as well as Potential Energy which also always is converted to / subject to; - change of relativistic mass.
Because Mass (M) is a relativistic variant, the same magnitude Force (F) will due to F=M*a result in different speed (under different circumstances).
Relativistic mass is not a constant when subjected to a change in altitude, within gravitational fields.
It is sum of the positive and negative relativistic mass that reflects how strong matter is connected to space, and therefore the net result of relativistic mass is also the factor responsible for the magnitude of kinematic anomalies.
As stated initially, it is the magnitude of relativistic mass that is responsible for how strong matter is connected to the elastic space.
Objects inside a gravitational field are differently affected due to the combination of SR effects (Relativistic Resistance against motion), and the opposite GR effect (which have an opposite accelerating effect on orbiting objects).
The difference between these two factors result (in our solar system) in an accelerating impacting affect especially applying for the inner planets. Surplus of kinematic energy is forcing planets gradually to increase their potential energy.
Where did this energy come from?
Well, – objects that periodically follows predominantly aligned orbit inclination (relative to DFA) are during these periods gradually being forced more elliptical as well as closer to the central astronomic body the objects are orbiting. It happens despite the above described anti-collapsing orbit property, simply due to is due to the periodically stronger and dominating active EDFA periods.
Predominantly perpendicularly inclination periods (relative to DFA) are EDFA-neutral allowing trapped kinematic energy to be released (converted to gravitational potential energy).
We should believe trapped kinematic orbit energy fast can be released during EDFA-neutral periods, but the fact is that surplus of energy is trapped by a perihelion / aphelion ping-pong effect.
The attempt to reverse kinetic energy to potential energy is instead causing unexpected increased potential and kinetic energy by perihelion. Kinetic energy gained by perihelion is converted to potential energy when reaching aphelion.
A result of that is that planets trajectory would no longer be in a free fall geodesic, and from this reasoning other more complicated anomalies can be expected, such as perihelion precision anomalies, and flyby anomalies..
The larger the orbit eccentricity is, and the deeper inside gravitational fields these are, the more significant perihelion anomalies should be expected and the faster are elliptical orbits forced circular.
In short, – all planets that are in our solar system are now forced slowly away from the Sun, as well as being forced towards having more circular orbits.
Modelling is very complex and is not presently available.
It does seem without a doubt that this soon will replace the prevailing “curvature of space” paradigm, because the cause of the perihelion precession anomaly of Mercury is very much different as we thought it to be, which will leave the prevailing “curvature of space” paradigm without any evidence at all.
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ferd burfle
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Only a little over a year and a half left to complete your model, Bjarne, you better get busy! So far my GPS is still working fine!
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The European GPS system is called Galileo
Galileo 5 & 6 was brought into wrong orbit and could nut be used for the GPS system, instead it was decided to used these for test of relativity.
As pointed out serveral time GPS is a Commercial system, not a Scientific. Scientific satellits are completely different. You cannot compare scientific satellits with GPS satellits.
In the same way, the ISS satellit, is also not a GR / SR testing satellit right now, - it will first be so later this year, when serveral devices is brought there, for exsample a altitude measurement device a new atomic clock etc.,.
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God in deed does not roll dice. God does not exist. QM does the rolling.
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The difference is where the focus is, and which aspect of relativity you want to test
ferd burfle
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GR and SR and our understanding of both must be correct or commercial GPS would not be accurate. But it is, despite your predictions. And as usual you sidestep the point that the burden is on you to provide the model, I.e. the math, to back up your "theory".
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Deceleration is just acceleration in the opposite direction. In circular motion a body always has a centripetal acceleration.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/circ.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html
Again in the case of constant circular motion centripetal acceleration is constant and tangential velocity is constant. However, the direction of that tangent, and thus momentum, changes. The body is constantly accelerating and decelerating in directions other than, well, centripetal.
For elliptical motion it is a bit different but still similar. In such a case centripetal acceleration and tangential velocity are no longer constant which just means that the body is constantly accelerating and decelerating in different directions but now even the centripetal acceleration varies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion#Second_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion#/media/File:Kepler-second-law.gif
Again that the body constantly changes direction means that its momentum is constantly changing. In fact a perihelion precession, regardless of the cause (relativistic, tidal, rotational or perturbations of such), just means that the body arrives back at that point with a different momentum (moving in a different direction) then when it was there the last time. If I recall correctly the reason for the relativistic contribution to the precession is due to the parallel transport of a vector on a closed loop in a curved space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_transport
So emphatically and explicitly momentum should be your focus in examining any perihelion precession, regardless of the cause. While relativistic mass can be representative of momentum, that is a scalar (magnitude only) and momentum is a vector (magnitude and direction). As such relativistic mass obscures the very aspect relevant to a perihelion precession, the change in direction. You’re putting in far too much effort into a quantity (relativistic mass) that simply and explicitly excludes the essential element of the change (direction).
Also the curvature of light by gravity would hardly “leave the prevailing “curvature of space” paradigm without any evidence at all” even sans GR perihelion precession.
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Its only when moving more or less north , we can measure that something is wrong with relativity, and in this case only with special relativity..
Moving towards all other direction will not reveal any unexpected anomaly.
You can say that a nuclear Plant can be used either Scientific or only commercial, . if focus in only commercial and not scientific, it can blow up. (Tjernobyl)
It's the same with GPS, if one or 2 satellit not behave 100% as expected, its not sure anybody care, - the important goal is that GPS will work properly. Anomalies can easy be ignored, and auto adjustments done to compensate without anybody ask why.
This is why I predict as I do.
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