RE: clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[TheL8Elvis]

He says he did. So that's evidence.

No, his self serving statement is not evidence.

And the US requested his extradition in order to interview him about Clinton's server. So that's corroboration. Is it proof? No, of course not.

No, thats not why he was extradited.

Also, I'll note that Guccifer hacked Sidney Blumenthal's email, so it seems extremely likely that he would have tried to hack Hillary's server (which he obviously knew about). As you've said before, he seems to be a rather diligent password guesser. If Hillary used a relatively easy to guess password, he had a good chance of guessing it. Given her age, her unwillingness to accept official IT assistance, and the obvious decline in her mental acuity since 2008, I'd say that there's a good chance she didn't use a particularly robust password. It was probably something like "GoldmanSachs" or "****Bill" or some such.

You could have just said "no I don't have any evidence, I just wish it were true" - it would have been easier.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I fixed the Judicial watch statement.
Where did these emails come from ?

This willful stuff is silly. We know that she "willfully" set up her private cowboy server to evade Federal Record Keeping laws and FOIA, in fact a Federal Judge has already found evidence of that. The fact that she was trying to avoid one set of Federal Laws allowed her to "inadvertently" violate other related criminal laws?

Nonsense.

I was thinking more of a counterpart to the felony murder rule.

You know, for example, you and a buddy decide to burgle a house, and the homeowner comes out guns ablazing and your buddy dies. You get convicted of murder, even though you did not intend to kill anyone.

Here, Hillary and her buddies set up a system to evade FOIA, and it turns out that Hillary and her buddies also manage to violate several other Federal Statutes in the process. The fact that she did not willfully violate those other statutes is no defense.

Further, avid readers know that she was openly contemptuous of government classification, recall that she wanted classified documents "stripped"?

Three posts, zero answers to the question.

I wish I were surprised.

 

[WildCat]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/fbi-interviews-huma-abedin-clinton-aide/

Some of Hillary Clinton's closest aides, including her longtime adviser Huma Abedin, have provided interviews to federal investigators, as the FBI probe into the security of her private email server nears completion, U.S. officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN. The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven't found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say.
...
The probe remains focused on the security of the server and the handling of classified information and hasn't expanded to other matters, the officials said.
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In addition, this week, a notorious hacker awaiting trial claimed he infiltrated Clinton's server but law enforcement officials said the FBI investigation into Guccifer found no sign he got into the Clinton server according to law enforcement sources.


So ... no indictment forthcoming. No grand Clinton global initiative investigation. Guccifer full of ****.

I hope all the HDS sufferers are taking copious notes.

New Hillary slogan "She didn't willfully violate the law, it was just an accident!"

 

[The Big Dog]

For your convenience, here are all the pre-March Hillary emails that Hillary curiously did not turn over to State and had to be sourced from Huma Abedin.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Pre-March-18-Clinton-Emails-00684.pdf

I guess these are some of the thousands that Hillary destroyed as "personal."

Say, I betcha Hillary could get good advice from Billy on perjury charges.

eta: If, as widely surmised, the FBI was able to recover the emails she destroyed through the "wiped" server or the cloud backup at Datto, I suspect that we will see lots of emails that Hillary's squad of lawyers concluded were personal but were anything but.

Scene: Offices of Williams and Connelly:

Oh, this email mentions the Clinton Family, that is totes personal. Nice of Russian Gas Oligarchs to be so interested in the foundations of the Clinton Family, delete!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

For your inconvenience, here are all the pre-March Hillary emails that Hillary curiously did not turn over to State and had to be sourced from Huma Abedin.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Pre-March-18-Clinton-Emails-00684.pdf

Oh, they came from Abedin.

When clinton " swore that she had turned over all responsive documents in her possession." that was accurate, as these weren't ones in her possession. Thanks

I guess these are some of the thousands that Hillary destroyed as "personal."

Be sure to let us know when you have something more solid than "16.5's guess"

Say, I betcha Hillary could get good advice from Billy on perjury charges.

FYI, I recently read that:

one should endeavor to avoid leaving snarky little digs at the end of one's posts lest one not be taken seriously.

 

[The Big Dog]

You know what pisses me off? This:

How Henry Kissinger May Help Hillary Clinton in Email Lawsuit

http://time.com/4319639/hillary-clinton-emails-henry-kissinger-william-rehnquist-foia/

The article talks about the Kissinger case from a long time ago, but fails to freaking mention Judge Emmet Sullivan specifically addressed and distinguished that case.

C'mon man.

at least they noted this:

Sullivan said “We’re talking about a Cabinet-level official who was accommodated by the government for reasons unknown to the public.” Sullivan suggested State knowingly failed to comply with FOIA as part of that accommodation. “I’m hard-pressed to find that the government didn’t know [about the server], so one of the big questions is: Why did it take until 2015” for State to do an adequate search?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

New Hillary slogan "She didn't willfully violate the law, it was just an accident! [wasn't a big deal, nothing bad happened because of it]

ftfy. No harm no foul, much to the Hillary haters dismay.

 

[The Big Dog]

ftfy. No harm no foul, much to the Hillary haters dismay.

Hillary 2016, No harm No foul so just go right ahead and vote for me, I'm totally trustworthy.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

It is not always considered criminal to violate these workplace laws even and when criminal penalties are part of the law. Criminal charges are reserved for purposefully committing crimes like Petraeus giving documents to his girlfriend/biographer, or when seriously negative outcomes occur and the laws were skirted without regard to worker safety.

The idea any workplace law not followed should result in criminal charges is ludicrous.

Negligence, and willful dodging of internal workplace regulations arent always criminal yet they're damning enough to get people fired from their jobs due to what could have resulted and the liabilities involved. And you definitely are not understanding of how serious FOIA record keeping laws are and that she was in violation of them by not actively disclosing her storage means and records.

Keep trying to spin her actions as no harm done, no big deal. Even without subscribing to the "jail Hillary" brigade your position that she had legitimacy to bypass her agencies own regulations and record keeping laws on a whim is ludicrous

 

[The_Animus]

New Hillary slogan "She didn't willfully violate the law, it was just an accident!"

Hillary AccidentlyViolatesTheLaw Clinton

Has a nice ring to it. She should legally change her name

 

[The_Animus]

Negligence, and willful dodging of internal workplace regulations arent always criminal yet they're damning enough to get people fired from their jobs due to what could have resulted and the liabilities involved. And you definitely are not understanding of how serious FOIA record keeping laws are and that she was in violation of them by not actively disclosing her storage means and records.

Keep trying to spin her actions as no harm done, no big deal. Even without subscribing to the "jail Hillary" brigade your position that she had legitimacy to bypass her agencies own regulations and record keeping laws on a whim is ludicrous

The average person faces at the very least being fired, if not criminal prosecution, but when Clinton does it she is supposed to be made President.

Kind of like how Clinton supporters rail against laws or regulations republicans pass that suppresses the vote, but when democratic primaries do the same thing and help Clinton it's all good and the complaints are just whining or conspiracy.

Got to love double standards.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

The average person faces at the very least being fired, if not criminal prosecution, but when Clinton does it she is supposed to be made President.

Cool strawman.

Kind of like how Clinton supporters rail against laws or regulations republicans pass that suppresses the vote, but when democratic primaries do the same thing and help Clinton it's all good and the complaints are just whining or conspiracy.

Cool strawman, and wrong thread.

Got to love double standards.

 

[Newtons Bit]

The average person faces at the very least being fired, if not criminal prosecution, but when Clinton does it she is supposed to be made President.

Even though I think Clinton broke the law and deserves serious legal repercussions, I would still much rather her be President than the current alternative.

I'd vote for her over Trump even if she was already in jail.

This time, and only this, should she President. this election.

 

[The Big Dog]

The average person faces at the very least being fired, if not criminal prosecution, but when Clinton does it she is supposed to be made President.
.

“If an ordinary worker at the State Department or the CIA … were sending details about the security of embassies, which is alleged to be in her email, meetings with private government officials, foreign government officials and the statements that were made to them in confidence over unclassified email systems, they would not only lose their jobs and lose their clearance, they would very likely face prosecution for it.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hillary-clinton-email-server?CMP=share_btn_tw

Hillary 2016, Not Indicted Yet!

 

[sunmaster14]

Even though I think Clinton broke the law and deserves serious legal repercussions, I would still much rather her be President than the current alternative.

I'd vote for her over Trump even if she was already in jail.

This time, and only this, should she President. this election.

And being convicted of a felony and sentenced to jail is no impediment to being elected and serving as President. If she were elected, her jail sentence would simply be suspended for the duration of her term. I believe legal scholars are divided as to whether she could pardon herself. I hope not. That would put a President above the law in every meaningful sense. Sure, she could be removed from office via impeachment, but she couldn't be punished beyond that if she could pardon herself.

 

[The_Animus]

Even though I think Clinton broke the law and deserves serious legal repercussions, I would still much rather her be President than the current alternative.

I'd vote for her over Trump even if she was already in jail.

This time, and only this, should she President. this election.

Yep, just for the SCOTUS nominations. Though I'm still holding on to the remote chance that she is indicted and Sanders becomes the nominee. I think he would win vs Trump

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Even though I think Clinton broke the law and deserves serious legal repercussions, I would still much rather her be President than the current alternative.

I'd vote for her over Trump even if she was already in jail.

This time, and only this, should she President. this election.

Being stuck between a rock and a hard place... indeed. I AM TEMPTED to agree.

 

[Ziggurat]

Remember Bryan Pagliano, the Clinton IT guy who pleaded the 5th? Well apparently the State Department cannot find a single email to or from Bryan.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Remember Bryan Pagliano, the Clinton IT guy who pleaded the 5th? Well apparently the State Department cannot find a single email to or from Bryan.

That's mildly interesting.

Do you think there are any interesting conclusions to draw from this information, or potential consequences ?

 

[shuize]

Remember Bryan Pagliano, the Clinton IT guy who pleaded the 5th? Well apparently the State Department cannot find a single email to or from Bryan.

But Ziggurat, he was only an IT guy there for four years. How can you expect him to have any email during such a short period of time?

Former IT aide Bryan Pagliano served at the department for nearly the entirety of Clinton's tenure from 2009-13. He was responsible for establishing a private server in the basement of Clinton's home, which was allegedly unknown to anyone else at the department until after Clinton had left.