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Michel, I misunderstood the point you were making before. I thought you were imagining there was some significance to my choice of word. I failed to notice that instead you were drawing attention to a spelling mistake and imagining some significance in that instead. All it signifies is that my typing is getting rather sloppy these days.



No, I don't think it likely that your brain emits any coherent signal in a way that other brains do not. The only thing about your brain which I believe makes it moderately unusual is that it causes you to have an unshakeable belief that other people can hear your thoughts when in fact they cannot.
 
Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. I didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...d? when it got really hot it smelled like Frito's.
 
Please stop.

You don't have to live with the belief you can transmit thoughts. There is a way out.

Again, please stop asking for numbers and input.
 
Ladewig said:
Please stop.

You don't have to live with the belief you can transmit thoughts. There is a way out.

Again, please stop asking for numbers and input.
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I can perhaps remind you, once again, of what you said yourself in 2013:
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Let's look at it this way. Perhaps there is a physiological or genetic reason why you have telepathy. The next time you see you primary health care physician, be sure to mention that you have telepathy ...
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It would perhaps be nice if one could revive Dr. Ladewig of 2013, and get him to convince the more hostile Ladewig of 2016.
 
Michel, I know you won't accept it as true, but I'm going to say it anyway: When Ladewig told you to tell your doctor you had telepathy, that was because he wanted your doctor to know that you think you have telepathy. It was not because Ladewig thought you have telepathy. None of us believes you do. If you did have the ability which you imagine you have, there would be no point in telling your doctor because obviously he or she would already know it. So Ladewig would have no reason to give you that advice unless you do not really have telepathy. And you don't.
 
Michel H said:
I can perhaps remind you, once again, of what you said yourself in 2013:
(bolding and font size choice done by me).

It would perhaps be nice if one could revive Dr. Ladewig of 2013, and get him to convince the more hostile Ladewig of 2016.
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Hostile?

What is hostile about saying that you don't have to live with the belief that you have telepathy?

And asking you to stop requesting numbers is not hostile.
You've run this experiment many, many times and the result is always the same.

A request to save your time and our time is not a hostile request.


Perhaps I misunderstood your posts but I thought you were not happy about your alleged telepathy. There are ways to make it go away.
 
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Hostile?

What is hostile about saying that you don't have to live with the belief that you have telepathy?

And asking you to stop requesting numbers is not hostile.
You've run this experiment many, many times and the result is always the same.

A request to save your time and our time is not a hostile request.


Perhaps I misunderstood your posts but I thought you were not happy about your alleged telepathy. There are ways to make it go away.
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I believe that the proper, safe, and civilized way to deal with my "telepathic problems" (hostile voices constantly trying to convince me to terminate my life, violent and abnormal voices, various forms of persecution...) is to honestly and consistently admit (acknowledge) my "telepathic specificity", always, not just one time or a few times in a short-lived "miracle of truth".

You made a series of excellent posts in 2013, after I posted the results of my second telepathy tests, for which I congratulate you (again?), but, a little later, you decided unfortunately to join the forces of dark, a little like Loss Leader. I can easily imagine it must feel better to be good friend with a majority of people (at least on this forum) than being a friend with me, even if the truth is a casualty. I am afraid this forum is a little bit like the North Korea of telepathy, in which you better not deviate from the official line.

In order to deal properly with an exceptional telepathic phenomenon, you have to do a lot of testing, to interact with many people, in order to try to understand the assumed phenomenon better, but also to try to have it gradually recognized by all. Is telepathy with Auckland, NZ, the same as telepathy with this person sitting in front of me (I live near Brussels, Belgium)? When you know the answer to this crucial question, you begin to understand its electromagnetic nature, then Science begins. The understanding of telepathy by current science is very low, you cannot cure a disease if you don't understand it. There are some notoriously toxic pseudo-medications, but those have generally not even been tested regarding a possible effect on telepathic ability. I am of the opinion that trying to push me to swallow those pills is an act of a criminal nature. Of course, you can always grab a sledgehammer like Triple H and start striking violently on the telepath' skull. After a few minutes, all telepathic powers will be gone, like life. This is neither science, nor medicine, this is called a crime.

[SNIP]

It is possible that I will try to explain this to a psychiatrist in some time, I think I have not been as clear as I should have been last time (I also am not perfect). I wanted to bring to the psychiatrist's office some printed results of tests, and some printed testimonies that I have obtained on various websites last time (in September of last year), but unfortunately, I forgot to take this material with me, I left it at home, so I had to just explain, with no concrete evidence.

Anyway, I think your job here is to contribute to the truth, not to defend fortress skepticism against all evidence. If I have good evidence that I can show, I am stronger against the psychiatric forces of dark, against the "evil empire". Probably nobody can really force you to do this (and the same is true for the other members of this forum), this has to come from you, and only from you.

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Michel H said:
I believe that the proper, safe, and civilized way to deal with my "telepathic problems" (hostile voices constantly trying to convince me to terminate my life, violent and abnormal voices, various forms of persecution...) is to honestly and consistently admit (acknowledge) my "telepathic specificity", always, not just one time or a few times in a short-lived "miracle of truth".



You made a series of excellent posts in 2013, after I posted the results of my second telepathy tests, for which I congratulate you (again?), but, a little later, you decided unfortunately to join the forces of dark, a little like Loss Leader. I can easily imagine it must feel better to be good friend with a majority of people (at least on this forum) than being a friend with me, even if the truth is a casualty. I am afraid this forum is a little bit like the North Korea of telepathy, in which you better not deviate from the official line.



In order to deal properly with an exceptional telepathic phenomenon, you have to do a lot of testing, to interact with many people, in order to try to understand the assumed phenomenon better, but also to try to have it gradually recognized by all. Is telepathy with Auckland, NZ, the same as telepathy with this person sitting in front of me (I live near Brussels, Belgium)? When you know the answer to this crucial question, you begin to understand its electromagnetic nature, then Science begins. The understanding of telepathy by current science is very low, you cannot cure a disease if you don't understand it. There are some notoriously toxic pseudo-medications, but those have generally not even been tested regarding a possible effect on telepathic ability. I am of the opinion that trying to push me to swallow those pills is an act of a criminal nature. Of course, you can always grab a sledgehammer like Triple H and start striking violently on the telepath' skull. After a few minutes, all telepathic powers will be gone, like life. This is neither science, nor medicine, this is called a crime.



[SNIP]

It is possible that I will try to explain this to a psychiatrist in some time, I think I have not been as clear as I should have been last time (I also am not perfect). I wanted to bring to the psychiatrist's office some printed results of tests, and some printed testimonies that I have obtained on various websites last time (in September of last year), but unfortunately, I forgot to take this material with me, I left it at home, so I had to just explain, with no concrete evidence.

Anyway, I think your job here is to contribute to the truth, not to defend fortress skepticism against all evidence. If I have good evidence that I can show, I am stronger against the psychiatric forces of dark, against the "evil empire". Probably nobody can really force you to do this (and the same is true for the other members of this forum), this has to come from you, and only from you.

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Bollocks.
 
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Michel, your evidence is not good. It's garbage. It's mere floor sweepings. A few people who accidentally guessed right and your made up subjective reasons to prefer their answers. People who were obviously joking but you alone didn't get the joke.



You are never going to accept our honest answers. You need to find someone you are prepared to trust.



Alternatively you could do some more epidemiological research. If every single person on the planet hears the thoughts of some man in Belgium, what percentage of them chat about it on Facebook or Twitter? Where's the discussion forum for people to chat about things the Belgian guy thought? Why aren't there campaigns to force the Belgian guy to live in an electromagnetically screened house because he's keeping people awake on the other side of the world with his daytime thoughts? Where's the outraged moral majority who want their nation's children protected from his age-inappropriate adult thoughts?



Take a step out of your own situation for a moment and just consider, if someone was spamming the entire planet with his every waking thought, the result would be a global chorus of SHUT UP!



Wouldn't it?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Michel, your evidence is not good. It's garbage. It's mere floor sweepings. A few people who accidentally guessed right and your made up subjective reasons to prefer their answers. People who were obviously joking but you alone didn't get the joke.



You are never going to accept our honest answers. You need to find someone you are prepared to trust.



Alternatively you could do some more epidemiological research. If every single person on the planet hears the thoughts of some man in Belgium, what percentage of them chat about it on Facebook or Twitter? Where's the discussion forum for people to chat about things the Belgian guy thought? Why aren't there campaigns to force the Belgian guy to live in an electromagnetically screened house because he's keeping people awake on the other side of the world with his daytime thoughts? Where's the outraged moral majority who want their nation's children protected from his age-inappropriate adult thoughts?



Take a step out of your own situation for a moment and just consider, if someone was spamming the entire planet with his every waking thought, the result would be a global chorus of SHUT UP!



Wouldn't it?
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Nope. According to Michel, everyone on the planet is being paid to deny this. Everyone.

I am not making this up.
 
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Nope. According to Michel, everyone on the planet is being paid to deny this. Everyone.

I am not making this up.
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Aside from his unfortunate condition, Michel seems to be an intelligent guy. It's remarkable if he can rationalise such an obviously ludicrous idea. Not just the absurd expense and inconceivable administration involved, but the 100% willing participation and 0% dissent.

On the other hand, since Michel now appears convinced his brain is emitting thoughts in some electromagnetic fashion, it occurs to me that aluminium foil or wire mesh are inexpensive ways to screen radio signals. Foil can even be wallpapered over and you need never know it was there (except perhaps that your phone would lose signal in that room).

Just a thought. I don't know if it's possible that a firm conviction that he is protected from external voices could have any beneficial effect on his condition.

[edit to add] Michel, that raises an interesting question: I've never seen you address how it is you 'know' people hear your thoughts. Do you have some kind of feeling that it is so? In which case, when you are in a tunnel or a basement away from any possible radio communication, does the feeling go away? Do you have times or places where you feel convinced nobody can hear you think?
 
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Michel H said:
You made a series of excellent posts in 2013, after I posted the results of my second telepathy tests, for which I congratulate you (again?), but, a little later, you decided unfortunately to join the forces of dark, a little like Loss Leader. I can easily imagine it must feel better to be good friend with a majority of people (at least on this forum) than being a friend with me, even if the truth is a casualty. I am afraid this forum is a little bit like the North Korea of telepathy, in which you better not deviate from the official line.
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No, Michel. You could not be more wrong.

Take a look at any peer reviewed journal in any field at all.
You will NEVER find researchers who say, "the test subject said 2 but I know he really meant 3."
You will NEVER find researchers say "I know every single one of my colleagues told me to run the test with a range of 1-100, but I decided to use 1-4 instead."
You will NEVER find researchers say,"the test subject gave an answer but I excluded the answer from the test results because the test subject said something mean to me."

What you are doing is the very antithesis of science.

Everyone here wants you to be able to live your life without hearing voices in your head that suggest suicide. Everyone here understands that what you describe is horrible. Everyone here understands that.

You find it frustrating posting here. We are twice as frustrated when you cannot understand our message.


Anyway, I think your job here is to contribute to the truth, not to defend fortress skepticism against all evidence. If I have good evidence that I can show, I am stronger against the psychiatric forces of dark, against the "evil empire". Probably nobody can really force you to do this (and the same is true for the other members of this forum), this has to come from you, and only from you.
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you have no truth!

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I have fallen into the trap again.
I have enough experience with other people to know that logic is useless in this situation, yet I provided a logic-based argument.

Michel, we cannot communicate to you the logical reasons that explain why you are wrong. All we can do is offer emotional pleas. Please see a doctor AND take a trusted friend or relative when you see the doctor. It is very possible that you are grossly misinterpreting what the doctor is saying.

Again, you don't have to live like this. Hearing voices is a very painful, frustrating, and frightening condition. Please seek seek help.​
 
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No, Michel. You could not be more wrong.

Take a look at any peer reviewed journal in any field at all.
You will NEVER find researchers who say, "the test subject said 2 but I know he really meant 3."
You will NEVER find researchers say "I know every single one of my colleagues told me to run the test with a range of 1-100, but I decided to use 1-4 instead."
You will NEVER find researchers say,"the test subject gave an answer but I excluded the answer from the test results because the test subject said something mean to me."

What you are doing is the very antithesis of science.

Everyone here wants you to be able to live your life without hearing voices in your head that suggest suicide. Everyone here understands that what you describe is horrible. Everyone here understands that.

You find it frustrating posting here. We are twice as frustrated when you cannot understand our message.




you have no truth!

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I have fallen into the trap again.
I have enough experience with other people to know that logic is useless in this situation, yet I provided a logic-based argument.

Michel, we cannot communicate to you the logical reasons that explain why you are wrong. All we can do is offer emotional pleas. Please see a doctor AND take a trusted friend or relative when you see the doctor. It is very possible that you are grossly misinterpreting what the doctor is saying.

Again, you don't have to live like this. Hearing voices is a very painful, frustrating, and frightening condition. Please seek seek help.​
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You will NEVER find researchers say,"the test subject gave an answer but I excluded the answer from the test results because the test subject said something mean to me."

What you are doing is the very antithesis of science.
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But this idea is very important, incredibly scientific, and the basis of my credibility method. In any serious telepathy experiment, you have to take into account the fact that people may not tell the truth, this is why lie detectors have been invented, I wonder what you would do if you worked in a Law Enforcement area. Would you naively believe all witnesses, even if they had already murdered and raped 20 times? You seemed to understand this well in 2013, I wonder what has changed you so much, I hope it's not an Alzheimer attack.
You will NEVER find researchers who say, "the test subject said 2 but I know he really meant 3."
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Frankly, Ladewig, I don't know what you are talking about here. Perhaps this is something that you dreamt.
You will NEVER find researchers say "I know every single one of my colleagues told me to run the test with a range of 1-100, but I decided to use 1-4 instead."
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Like in all human undertakings, it is better to not demand too complicated and hard things from people you try to cooperate with, with the partners on the receiving end of tests. That people can give such stupid advice tells a lot about the frequent stupidity and ignorance in parapsychology of the members of this forum. Giving people a choice between 4 possibilities is the method used in the ganzfeld protocol, the most effective in the study of telepathy (something you would know if you had studied before speaking):
In the judging procedure, the receiver is taken out of the Ganzfeld state and given a set of possible targets, from which they select one which most resembled the images they witnessed. Most commonly there are three decoys along with the target, giving an expected rate of 25%, by chance, over several dozens of trials.
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(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment#Experimental_procedure)
take a trusted friend or relative when you see the doctor
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Do you really still think I have a single "trusted friend or relative"?
You really don't seem to have understood much about what I have been explaining during all these years.
 
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I cannot do this anymore. I am putting the thread on ignore.

I really, really, really hope you find a way to eliminate the suicidal voices in your head.

If you do find success, I know that everyone here would like to know about.
 
Michel H said:
I just heard one of those a few moments ago, at 9:07 p.m. local time.
Very strange and violent, but my recorder was not on.
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How very convenient.

Too this day, teachers the world over hear the excuse that the dog ate my homework.

Bad as it is coming from a child, hearing it from an adult is just sad.
 
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