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Merged Chick Tracts

Argumemnon said:
So I guess we could call it "fact Chicking"?
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Fact Chicking: Credulously assuming Bible verses mean what an evangelist says they mean without going back to read the passage for yourself.

I wonder if term can be expanded to cover other religions, or if a Jack Chick reference is too Christianity centered to expand to, for example, Islam...
 
The thing that mystifies me about Chick's worldview is that it only seems to contain three types of people. People who believe in god/Jesus and worship hime... people who believe in god/Jesus and hate/work against him... and people who have never either heard of god/Jesus, or know next to nothing about him/them.

Seriously, that comic mentions "The Ten Commandments" and the two unbelievers are literally like "Never heard of them." "Me neither."

Can we honestly believe that there's even one in 10,000 people in the western world who have never heard of the ten commandments?

The idea that a person might know even the basics of the major bible stories, have a handle on who Jesus was and what the whole cross thing was about, and yet still not believe, is one that Chick just can't seem to grasp - or does't want to admit to.

Which is deeply weird, because surely these people are his major target audience? He's trying to convert unbelievers with this stuff, right? Yet his consistent premise for doing so is one that could only really be entertained by a person who had never met a single unbeliever in his life.

Or is the idea not to convert us nasty atheists? Just what is the point of these tracts supposed to be?
 
Seismosaurus said:
The thing that mystifies me about Chick's worldview is that it only seems to contain three types of people. People who believe in god/Jesus and worship hime... people who believe in god/Jesus and hate/work against him... and people who have never either heard of god/Jesus, or know next to nothing about him/them.

Seriously, that comic mentions "The Ten Commandments" and the two unbelievers are literally like "Never heard of them." "Me neither."

Can we honestly believe that there's even one in 10,000 people in the western world who have never heard of the ten commandments?

The idea that a person might know even the basics of the major bible stories, have a handle on who Jesus was and what the whole cross thing was about, and yet still not believe, is one that Chick just can't seem to grasp - or does't want to admit to.

Which is deeply weird, because surely these people are his major target audience? He's trying to convert unbelievers with this stuff, right? Yet his consistent premise for doing so is one that could only really be entertained by a person who had never met a single unbeliever in his life.

Or is the idea not to convert us nasty atheists? Just what is the point of these tracts supposed to be?
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It's Dunning-Kruger. Someone with a worldview a four-year-old would call unsophisticated is supremely convinced he has the best understanding (in the entirety of human history) of the nature of the universe, humanity, and the divine. He honestly believes he has the best grasp of all the answers to all the questions philosophy and theology have struggled with for thousands of years. He is as insane as he is stupid, and he is plenty stupid. That's why his characters aren't even one dimensional, his arguments not even worthy of the term, and his theology actually a cobbled-together assortment of various pedestrian heresies discarded by Christians throughout history for being just too ridiculously idiotic. There is quite possibly no person on earth less suitable to lecture people on the topic of Christianity, and there is certainly no person on earth who would be more surprised to hear that assessment.

eta: and his drawings are one step up from Wizard of Id, which is probably the worst thing I've said about him.
 
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Seismosaurus said:
Seriously, that comic mentions "The Ten Commandments" and the two unbelievers are literally like "Never heard of them." "Me neither."

Can we honestly believe that there's even one in 10,000 people in the western world who have never heard of the Ten Commandments ?
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I am not so sure.
I think a good 15% could not correctly name any single commandment (number one wrong answer to this question is "Do unto others yadda-yadda")

I am guessing about only 85% would provide a correct answer to where do the 10C come from or who wrote them. Possible ten percent saying "don't know" and five percent giving a wrong answer.

There are still a lot of ignorant or uneducated people out there.
And most importantly, the number of never-heard-of-them folks was much greater when Chick started writing (70s ?)
 
Ladewig said:
I am not so sure.
I think a good 15% could not correctly name any single commandment (number one wrong answer to this question is "Do unto others yadda-yadda")

I am guessing about only 85% would provide a correct answer to where do the 10C come from or who wrote them. Possible ten percent saying "don't know" and five percent giving a wrong answer.

There are still a lot of ignorant or uneducated people out there.
And most importantly, the number of never-heard-of-them folks was much greater when Chick started writing (70s ?)
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My question always is, "WHICH Ten Commandments?". There are two sets (and possibly three) in the Bible. Isn't Commandment Number One, not boiling a baby goat in it's mother's milk?
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
My question always is, "WHICH Ten Commandments?". There are two sets (and possibly three) in the Bible. Isn't Commandment Number One, not boiling a baby goat in it's mother's milk?
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Yes, I love hitting proselytising god-botherers with that one. So few of them realise there are two sets.
 
halleyscomet said:
Fact Chicking: Credulously assuming Bible verses mean what an evangelist says they mean without going back to read the passage for yourself.

I wonder if term can be expanded to cover other religions, or if a Jack Chick reference is too Christianity centered to expand to, for example, Islam...
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"Imambiguous"?
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
My question always is, "WHICH Ten Commandments?". There are two sets (and possibly three) in the Bible. Isn't Commandment Number One, not boiling a baby goat in it's mother's milk?
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There are three sets. Ex 34, Ex 20, Deut 5. Ex 34 has the milk one, along with lots of other rubbish, but I think the milk one is the last, not the first.

Who did write all these sets of commandments, btw?
 
Craig B said:
There are three sets. Ex 34, Ex 20, Deut 5. Ex 34 has the milk one, along with lots of other rubbish, but I think the milk one is the last, not the first.

Who did write all these sets of commandments, btw?
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I think the answer depends on how polite one wants to be.
The commandments are listed in a book that says God wrote them. So, God wrote them would be the most polite answer.
Moses wrote them would be somewhat less polite.
Some Bronze Age tribes who wanted to codify their laws is even less polite.
Ancient con artists posing as priests would be the least polite.
 
Seismosaurus said:
Seriously, that comic mentions "The Ten Commandments" and the two unbelievers are literally like "Never heard of them." "Me neither."
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One of my failed attempts at an SF novel involved a group of military robots pretty obviously named for legendary warriors: Achilles, Bhima, David and so on.

Two of the people who read it didn't catch that "David" was a legendary warrior too. One slapped himself in the forehead with a "well, duh," and one guy thought it was obscure.
 
Craig B said:
There are three sets. Ex 34, Ex 20, Deut 5. Ex 34 has the milk one, along with lots of other rubbish, but I think the milk one is the last, not the first.

Who did write all these sets of commandments, btw?
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The baby goat one is the one I find easiest to follow. Although I am English by birth, even the worst English cook would never boil goat meat. :D
 
Craig B said:
There are three sets. Ex 34, Ex 20, Deut 5. Ex 34 has the milk one, along with lots of other rubbish, but I think the milk one is the last, not the first.

Who did write all these sets of commandments, btw?
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If you want a somewhat tongue in cheek discussion you can read

Kevin Sorbo vs the Ten Commandments

Tl;DR, there are seven different versions of the Ten Commandments drawn from a pool of 13, but that's only among major denominations. The differences between them can be fairly minor though.
 
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3point14 said:
I don't think we can expect fear of eternal damnation to trump avarice, can we? :)
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Nope. We most certainly can't.

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