Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

[The Big Dog]

Are you not keeping up on the Emails thread? All of the emails related to the State Department have been released to the government. The State Department recovered everything off the server, nothing was 'scrubbed'.

That is utterly false.

That's news to me. Perhaps you should post it in the email thread. My understanding is that there used to be 60,000 emails, and she deleted half of them. As far as I know, only the 30,000 she didn't delete have been released, minus the stuff that has been deemed classified.

You are correct, I have corrected her on this point a dozen times.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I think she should publish them in book format perhaps charge something like $99.99 with all proceeds going to Planned Parenthood.....

That is actually a pretty good idea, but you need a higher price point since FoxNews is only going to buy one copy. Maybe $100,000. Hell, the speeches are obviously worth that much, right?

Also, if Bernie weren't there these wouldn't be an issue. I doubt it will tank her campaign, but it has provided a nice leverage point for Bernie to make an impact. If she wins she will have to be much more careful than she would have if Bernie hadn't run. That's good.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's news to me. Perhaps you should post it in the email thread. My understanding is that there used to be 60,000 emails, and she deleted half of them. As far as I know, only the 30,000 she didn't delete have been released, minus the stuff that has been deemed classified.

Perhaps you should read the Email thread. Then it wouldn't be news to you and it is posted there, along with an extensive discussion of a back up server the FBI also has in their possession.

Hell, it's even on the Wiki Page:

Platte River Networks, the Denver-based firm that managed the Clinton server since 2013, said it had no knowledge of the server being wiped, and indicated that the emails that Clinton has said were deleted could likely be recovered. "Platte River has no knowledge of the server being wiped," company spokesman Andy Boian told the Washington Post. "All the information we have is that the server wasn't wiped."[80]

 

[The Big Dog]

Are you not keeping up on the Emails thread? All of the emails related to the State Department have been released to the government. The State Department recovered everything off the server, nothing was 'scrubbed'.

Wrong

Perhaps you should read the Email thread. Then it wouldn't be news to you and it is posted there, along with an extensive discussion of a back up server the FBI also has in their possession.

Hell, it's even on the Wiki Page:

Does not support your claim. The FBI recovering emails she deleted is not evidence that Hillary released them to the government. How silly.

Just another false Hillary talking point debunked.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Clinton committee hardly helping down ticket Democrats

According to Hillary Victory Fund’s quarterly report, of the $33.6 million it raised, just $5.5 million was directed to various Democratic committees across the country, including the DNC -- that's approximately 16%.

This expenditure contradicts Clinton’s argument that her joint committee is raising money for down ticket Democrats. This argument was also used by George Clooney, who helped raise money for the Hillary Victory Fund in California over the weekend.

http://campaign.blue/2016/04/18/clinton-committee-hardly-helping-ticket-democrats/

[The majority of the money ends up in Hillary's pantsuit pockets.]

Edited by jsfisher: 

Quote tags added to clarify what material copied from elsewhere.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

How many millions has Sanders raised for down ticket candidates?

 

[The Big Dog]

How many millions has Sanders raised for down ticket candidates?

 

[Garrison]

Clinton committee hardly helping down ticket Democrats

According to Hillary Victory Fund’s quarterly report, of the $33.6 million it raised, just $5.5 million was directed to various Democratic committees across the country, including the DNC -- that's approximately 16%.

This expenditure contradicts Clinton’s argument that her joint committee is raising money for down ticket Democrats. This argument was also used by George Clooney, who helped raise money for the Hillary Victory Fund in California over the weekend.

http://campaign.blue/2016/04/18/clinton-committee-hardly-helping-ticket-democrats/

[The majority of the money ends up in Hillary's pantsuit pockets.]

So her campaign giving money to other Democrats is proof she isn't giving money to other Democrats? Okay then...

And of course you have numbers showing how much more generous Sanders has been right?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

So her campaign giving money to other Democrats is proof she isn't giving money to other Democrats? Okay then...

George Clooney said he was holding the fundraiser to help down ticket Democrats get elected to office. However, 84% of the money raised is going to Hillary. So Mr. Clooney can drop the farce, we now know what's afoot.

 

[Garrison]

George Clooney said he was holding the fundraiser to help down ticket Democrats get elected to office. However, 84% of the money raised is going to Hillary. So Mr. Clooney can drop the farce, we now know what's afoot.

So that would a no on the figures then?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

So that would a no on the figures then?

How much has Sanders given to down ticket Democrats? Don't know, and don't care. I'm merely pointing out George Clooney's deceitful explanation for why he is raising "obscene" (his word) amounts of money for Hillary.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

So her campaign giving money to other Democrats is proof she isn't giving money to other Democrats? Okay then...

And of course you have numbers showing how much more generous Sanders has been right?

A few weeks ago, it was somehow proof the primary was "bought and paid for"

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

George Clooney said he was holding the fundraiser to help down ticket Democrats get elected to office. However, 84% of the money raised is going to Hillary. So Mr. Clooney can drop the farce, we now know what's afoot.

So Clooney who actually put the fundraiser on doesn't know, while Sanders' campaign manager who is on the trail claiming other numbers does?

I'll wait for more evidence before I believe Clooney doesn't know the facts about his own fundraiser. The Sanders camp seems to be relying on some sort of past fundraising contracts to make assumptions about this one.

 

[mgidm86]

Are you really struggling to understand the sexist connotations with associating the only female candidate with female sex workers, or is this a disingenuous question. Because 'that's a whore, not a stripper' isn't a good defense.

I was kind of kidding if I remember correctly, which I may not.

However, I do not believe the reason the protesters threw dollar bills has anything to do with strippers. The things they are accusing Hillary of are much worse than what most strippers are capable of. I actually don't find anything offensive with the job a stripper does, of course some do.

Why compare her to strippers when comparing her to herself is infinitely more offensive?

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Clooney said the money in politics was obscene, not Clinton.

Even the actual title is a lie: "George Clooney: The money I've raised for Hillary Clinton is 'obscene'"

That's not what he said at all either.

Facts are meaningless. What's important is getting 'Hillary' and 'obscene' into the same sentence.

'Hillary', ' Goldwater Girl', 'Wall street', 'Super Predator', 'obscene'. Join the dots - Hillary is done!

 

[Foolmewunz]

I love this "Any Smear is Better Than No Smear" mentality.

"Hillary ONLY gave five million to down-ticket Dems. The selfish cow!"

Yet a few weeks ago, as SG noted, it was "Hillary buying the superdelegates with campaign funds. The carpetbagger!"

And back in reality, Bernie's raised nothing for progressives and his coattails are so porous that he can't bring a leftish-progressive dog catcher along with him. Plus, he's out-raised and out-spent Hillary in the last two (reported) months. Out-spent,.... ON HIMSELF. The greedy bastage! So just who's "buying" this nomination? Answer that, Pollyannas of the quad.

Money in politics is bad, but since I've raised all these millions, I might as well spend it, eh? And I, personally, concur with both sides of that statement. It's also what Clooney was saying. It's what many Clinton supporters would say, too. Find more ways to get the money out of politics, but while it's there, the reality is that money is the key. If you got it, spend it. Bernie got the money, with only a paltry few million from PACs, but whether it's the money from the Walden Pond Macrame Society Annual Doggie Parade or big bucks from the Nurses' union PAC, it's still money that controls American politics.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

George Clooney pointed out on Meet The Press that the "overwhelming majority" of the money that his fundraisers with Hillary Clinton are bringing in is going to Democrats down ballot, not Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

The money raised, estimated to be $15 million, goes to the 'Hillary Victory Fund', a joint fundraising committee formed by her campaign, and the Democratic National Committee headed up by Clinton supporter and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

According to the last data released the 'Hillary Victory Fund' gives only 16% of raised funds to down ticket Democrats; Hillary keeps the lion's share.

So, George Clooney is either misinformed or a barefaced liar.

 

[Foolmewunz]

George Clooney pointed out on Meet The Press that the "overwhelming majority" of the money that his fundraisers with Hillary Clinton are bringing in is going to Democrats down ballot, not Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

The money raised, estimated to be $15 million, goes to the 'Hillary Victory Fund', a joint fundraising committee formed by her campaign, and the Democratic National Committee headed up by Clinton supporter and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

According to the last data released the 'Hillary Victory Fund' gives only 16% of raised funds to down ticket Democrats; Hillary keeps the lion's share.

So, George Clooney is either misinformed or a barefaced liar.

You see it as a binary choice? How about a third option: He has commitment from Hillary's people that this particular fundraiser's results will be spent in a different fashion. Is there a rule somewhere that Hillary has to stick to that 16% is going down-ticket? Or is that the statistical result, to date?

In the earlier part of her campaign, many down-ticket races are still in the nominating process, themselves. Once there's a Dem nominee to run against a GOP nominee, mightn't there be more actual targets for her largess?

 

[Foolmewunz]

George Clooney pointed out on Meet The Press that the "overwhelming majority" of the money that his fundraisers with Hillary Clinton are bringing in is going to Democrats down ballot, not Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

The money raised, estimated to be $15 million, goes to the 'Hillary Victory Fund', a joint fundraising committee formed by her campaign, and the Democratic National Committee headed up by Clinton supporter and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

According to the last data released the 'Hillary Victory Fund' gives only 16% of raised funds to down ticket Democrats; Hillary keeps the lion's share.

So, George Clooney is either misinformed or a barefaced liar.

Bolded: Gee, what a surprise, but that's totally incorrect. Here's how it works: Small contributors (below $2700) specifically contribute to Hillary's own fund. Above $2700, they are not allowed to take in, from an individual. With tickets at $353,000 per couple, that'd be slightly above $2700. (One of you math geeks can check that for accuracy. They promised me no math when I joined here.)

About 1% from these mega-fundraisers goes to HFA. The bulk of it goes to the DNC and to the various state Democratic Parties. It's set-up that way, by law. Bernie, OTOH, gets the bulk of his money in the 2700-and-below category, so he's free to keep it all and spend it on himself.

It seems that Clooney is better-informed than you are, after all. Maybe you could check your sources before repeating crap from the blogosphere. But thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you. Tell him about 'em, Don Pardo!

 

[Slings and Arrows]

According to Hillary Victory Fund’s quarterly report (Jan thru Mar 2016), of the $33.6 million it raised, just $5.5 million was directed to various Democratic committees across the country, including the DNC.

Let's do the math:

5.5 / 33.6 = 16.4%