If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

[ProBonoShill]

OK.

Do you really think it matters? No.

The mods delete my posts, and most of the skeptics on this forum don't have the slightest ability to process data correctly.

I'm not wasting my time. No, I'm not leaving, because some posts can be rebutted with minimal effort, but, if you think I'm going to spend any more time and put real effort into a post then you are sorely mistaken.

Your posts haven't been deleted. Another lie by you.

They reside in a different section of this forum and you've received PM's notifying you of such.

 

[FalseFlag]

You pointed at a video and said, "There, see?"

Good point. If you have questions, consult the video. If you still have questions, email the author.

 

[beachnut]

Cole's failed experiments fool a fringe few

NIST finds Cole wrong before Cole posted his dumbed down delusional experiments (DDDEs).

This simplified and conservative analysis indicates that the floor connections could have carried only a maximum of about 11 additional floors if the load from these floors were applied statically. Even this number is (conservatively) high, since the load from above the collapsing floor is being applied suddenly. Since the dynamic amplification factor for a suddenly applied load is 2, an intact floor below the level of collapse initiation could not have supported more than six floors. Since the number of floors above the level where the collapse initiated exceeded six for both towers (12 for WTC 1 and 29 for WTC 2), neither tower could have arrested the progression of collapse once collapse initiated. In reality, the highest intact floor was about three (WTC 2) to six (WTC 1) floors below the level of collapse initiation. Thus, more than the 12 to 29 floors reported above actually loaded the intact floor suddenly. NIST

Cole can't grasp reality, and fools a fringe few who can't think for themselves.

NIST 1, Cole -3


The comments expose anti-Semitic nuts support Cole - how much ignorance does it take to fall for Cole's delusional claims?

 

[ProBonoShill]

NIST finds Cole wrong before Cole posted his dumbed down delusional experiments (DDDEs).
Cole can't grasp reality, and fools a fringe few who can't think for themselves.

NIST 1, Cole -3


The comments expose anti-Semitic nuts support Cole - how much ignorance does it take to fall for Cole's delusional claims?

Conformed Cole is a moron.

 

[ozeco41]

And even that assertion by NIST is very conservative:

Since the dynamic amplification factor for a suddenly applied load is 2, an intact floor below the level of collapse initiation could not have supported more than six floors.

Suddenly applied load? AND "2"?

Yes - 2 is correct for "suddenly applied load" BUT I'll bet the non engineers/physicists don't know what "suddenly applied load" means.

And why reality could have been much more than 2.

 

[ozeco41]

Conformed Cole is a moron.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt that a moron could have assembled that video with the mendacious propaganda AND the false examples.

It helps to confirm that he is either dishonest OR incompetent. (Or a mix of both.) And those of us who are competent in physics didn't need NIST to tell us did we?

 

[Dave Rogers]

And even that assertion by NIST is very conservative:
Suddenly applied load? AND "2"?

Yes - 2 is correct for "suddenly applied load" BUT I'll bet the non engineers/physicists don't know what "suddenly applied load" means.

And why reality could have been much more than 2.

One amusing point that struck me a few years ago is this thought experiment:

Connect a cable to the top of one of the WTC towers. Pull upwards on the cable until the tension is equal to the weight of the tower. Now, sever the cable instantaneously. What will happen?

From my understanding of dynamic loadings and of the safety factors in the towers, I think this might well result in global collapse.

Dave

 

[ozeco41]

One amusing point that struck me a few years ago is this thought experiment:

Connect a cable to the top of one of the WTC towers. Pull upwards on the cable until the tension is equal to the weight of the tower. Now, sever the cable instantaneously. What will happen?

From my understanding of dynamic loadings and of the safety factors in the towers, I think this might well result in global collapse.

Dave

Yes - except:
No crane big enough; AND
The Tower would fail in tension from the uplift.

 

[Dave Rogers]

No crane big enough;

It's a thought experiment. We're allowed to imagine there is one. And, yes, the performance of the joints in tension might be... interesting.

Dave

 

[Belz...]

My avatar is an avatar. The only meaning it has is what you give it.

Oh, here's another of those citations you requested.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Your forum picture is an example of a misconception you have or you are just using it as propaganda. The proof of my claim is there is no evidence anyone has lost their job for questioning the NIST.

Naturally, if you support your claim, I will retract this statement.

Totally agree, the cartoon is just another fraud, as are Cole's experiments, I am still waiting on a mathematically correct model From FF in support of Cole, good thing he brought up an avitar about math because that is exactly where he and Cole fail.

 

[pgimeno]

The mods delete my posts,

I doubt it.

Moving uncivil posts such as these to AAH is not deleting your posts. It's enforcing compliance with the forum rules. Your posts were not the only ones that were moved (not deleted).

Are you seriously claiming that moderators have deleted your posts? You should have received a notification if so. Can you post it as proof? What was the content of the deleted posts?

I'm not wasting my time. No, I'm not leaving, because some posts can be rebutted with minimal effort, but, if you think I'm going to spend any more time and put real effort into a post then you are sorely mistaken.

You haven't done that since you came, anyway, so that doesn't change anything. You've promised it several times to specific people, though, never meeting these promises.

 

[pgimeno]

Yes several of us are waiting for answers. I'm personally still waiting for him to explain who will run the new investigation he claims to be seeking, list the names of such persons and why he thinks they are qualified. So far crickets.

The government is casting an S. E. P. field over the new investigation to force it not to progress.

 

[pgimeno]

And even that assertion by NIST is very conservative:
Suddenly applied load? AND "2"?

Yes - 2 is correct for "suddenly applied load" BUT I'll bet the non engineers/physicists don't know what "suddenly applied load" means.

And why reality could have been much more than 2.

er, I'm not either and I know it (as well as why in reality could have been much bigger).

I think I may even have explained it some time in past, using springs to model columns (yes, I'm aware that here it's not columns where it applies, but the same model can be used as an approximation).

 

[pgimeno]

One amusing point that struck me a few years ago is this thought experiment:

Connect a cable to the top of one of the WTC towers. Pull upwards on the cable until the tension is equal to the weight of the tower. Now, sever the cable instantaneously. What will happen?

From my understanding of dynamic loadings and of the safety factors in the towers, I think this might well result in global collapse.

femr2 once asked what was the minimum height necessary to cause collapse according to Bazant's equations. Myriad calculated it. The result was in the order of 1 mm. So, you're probably right if even because of the looseness of the bolts.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Forget Cole. If both vehicles don't stop at the same place, it makes Newton wrong!

Newton of course can't be wrong.
Thinking of doing and recording the two hammers experiment, to show how wrong Cole's fraud is, titling it Frauds of 9/11 truth, and doing a graphic of the semi full of truthers, and the small truck full of sceptics waving goodbye to the truthers.

That would probably really be good for some laughs.

The motion of the Semi, and the small truck is exactly the same, up until the braking point, at the braking point the energy value of the semi carries it over the edge.

Just as the energy is different in the hammers experiment.

 

[ozeco41]

It's a thought experiment. We're allowed to imagine there is one.

Even "imagining" is challenge if you even start to think it through. And that's just the crane - not "where and how do you connect it".

And, yes, the performance of the joints in tension might be... interesting short lived.

Dave

FTFY

 

[Dave Rogers]

femr2 once asked what was the minimum height necessary to cause collapse according to Bazant's equations. Myriad calculated it. The result was in the order of 1 mm. So, you're probably right if even because of the looseness of the bolts.

It seems to me that, for a structure with an overall factor of safety of exactly two, then the minimum height is infinitesimally greater than zero.

Dave

 

[jsfisher]

Good point. If you have questions, consult the video. If you still have questions, email the author.

The video's author made no claims in this thread. You did.

And your claims are dismissed for lack of support.

 

[Belz...]

And effort.