A Second Channel of Communication?

dropzone said:
Forty-two, obviously. But if 6 turned out to be 9, I don't mind; I don't mind.
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Right on! ;)

Dig, cos I got my own world to live through, I ain't gonna copy you!


Nevermind all that numerology bollocks, Jimi's guitar and voice were definitely communication channels! Heart to heart, backbone to backbone.

Stand up and walk!
 
blue triangle said:
I'm not defending the 'bible code'. This is something different.

Anyway, weren't you going to look at this with a 'neutral mind'?
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It's not different at all. It's finding patterns in something (which is not hard to do) THEN attaching a specific meaning to the patterns through associating it with something entirely unrelated, then standing in wonder at the occasional coincidences that emerge.

Of course, making a shedload of money out of spotting the coincidences by selling books to the credulous isn't coincidental at all...
 
MRC_Hans said:
A neutral mind says that with an infinite sequence of numbers, all sorts of funny things will occur.

However, let's take it the other way around:

Numbers is one of the most factual things we have. 3 is three, no matter how we count it or what kind of things we use it to denote. 4 is 3+2, 2 is 3-2. ... bear with me a few seconds more...

So we start counting things, say pepples. 1, 2, 3, .... 1000, 1001, .... 2699, 2700, ... and what comes next? 2701. It HAS to be there. It was not inserted by some intelligence, it is simply needed in the sequence, how else would we count to 2702?

Hans
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This only shows that 2701 was put there for a PURPOSE. Wake up sheeple!

Now if it was put there for a PORPOISE, that would have been impressive.
 
blue triangle said:
I think it may be evidence for the existence of a force that has worked through the unconscious minds of the writers (and any subsequent editors) of that verse to encode mathematics.

Or in religious terms it is evidence for the divine inspiration of scripture.
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Evidence of a mind gaming psychopathic mass murdering monster!

The god of the bible would be a horrific creature to attend, if it were real.

Actions trump numerological game playing every time, and the actions of the monster god shout psychopathy. Even new testament torture and sacrifice of himself/his son is black magic mind ****.

Fortunately science pretty well shows with a thousand demonstrations that such a creature is impossible, and isn't extant in this universe.

Thank your lucky stars, and walk free. Free! Get it? :rolleyes:
 
Pixel42 said:
Looks very similar to me, and with the same root cause: a failure to understand that just because you see a pattern, it doesn't mean it's deliberate/meaningful. If you look hard enough and long enough you are bound to find patterns.
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You don't have to look very hard or for very long in the first verse of Genesis. It's watermarked with patterns. For the love of God, or truth, or yourself, just have a look!


Pixel42 said:
Yes. That means looking at what you present without a pre-determined conclusion. It doesn't mean looking at what you present whilst suppressing my memory of the law of truly large numbers.
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The bible is a huge data set of numbers. No question about that. But this is the first verse, the apex of scripture, where one might expect to find a watermark. How does TLOTLN explain that? Only if you give no meaning to the fact that it is verse 1 of 31102 verses. If you do attach meaning to it, then everything changes.
 
blue triangle said:
You don't have to look very hard or for very long in the first verse of Genesis. It's watermarked with patterns.
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So is the second verse. And the third verse. And the 22nd verse. And the 44th paragraph of any book ever written. Look, and you will find patterns everywhere. As long as you don't specify in advance the particular pattern you expect to find, of course.

The bible is a huge data set of numbers. No question about that. But this is the first verse, the apex of scripture, where one might expect to find a watermark. How does TLOTLN explain that?
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By the fact that it applies to everything, including that verse.
 
fagin said:
Communicate what and by whom?
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blue triangle said:
I think it may be evidence for the existence of a force that has worked through the unconscious minds of the writers (and any subsequent editors) of that verse to encode mathematics.

Or in religious terms it is evidence for the divine inspiration of scripture.
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I think you may be mistaken.

I also think my think is more realistic than your think.
 
blue triangle said:
But this is the first verse, the apex of scripture, where one might expect to find a watermark.
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Why?
Seriously.

And not only that, but how do you rule out the (string) possibility of spotting something in that verse because you want it to be in that verse? In other words, seeing a pattern that is simply a product of your imagination.
 
Here's a fellow with all kinds of thoughts concerning 2701:
http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_2701.php

Here he is debunking himself:
http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_2701.php

This is what happened to me. I arrived at my weird beliefs for decidedly “non-smart reasons” and created a powerful illusion of design by casting them into the format of mathematics and physics. Error entered because I failed to apply the scientific method. I did not form a testable hypothesis that would actually account for all the data. On the contrary, I made sweeping claims of a grand unifying pattern but most of the evidence was based on cherry picked coincidences. I accepted as “evidence” every “hit” that matched the pattern and ignored all the misses. This error is known as confirmation bias.
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blue triangle said:
I think it may be evidence for the existence of a force that has worked through the unconscious minds of the writers (and any subsequent editors) of that verse to encode mathematics.

Or in religious terms it is evidence for the divine inspiration of scripture.
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This doesn't mean what you think it means, clearly.

I think that seeing patterns in numbers as of anything other than mathematical significance is perhaps evidence of gross gullibility, and of the phenomena of seeing what you want to see.
 
blue triangle said:
the apex of scripture
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Wait... if you've found something special about the Vedas (other than the obviously nirvana-inspired illuminating wisdom in just a plain-words reading of them, of course), why isn't that what you started a thread about?
 
blue triangle said:
I'm not defending the 'bible code'. This is something different.
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Not really. When you first discover your first example of numerology & wishful patternizing, it might seem impressive. Once you've seen several more, you start noticing how they're all the same.

blue triangle said:
But this is the first verse... where one might expect to find a watermark. How does TLOTLN explain that?
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Because there are so many numbers that people could find something "special" about, that any sentence-length string of numero-letters has a decent chance of hitting one of those numbers. The odds of an author hitting one of those numbers randomly weren't one in a quadrillion or one in a million or even one in thousands; probably more like one in a dozen. It's unusual but nothing outlandish.

Worse yet, the Hebrew sentence we're looking at was not written in its original form, either phonetically or theologically. By the time it got written down in that particular form and locked, people had already been reciting the same or slightly different things for years, and we have some of the older writings to show how this one's language and ideas both gradually developed from predecessors. So if there was a time at which God whispered something in someone's brain, it must have been earlier than this, which means this verse can not possibly be its direct result.

blue triangle said:
If you do attach meaning to it, then everything changes.
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That's starting with the conclusion and looking for excuses for it.
 
blue triangle said:
I think it may be evidence for the existence of a force that has worked through the unconscious minds of the writers (and any subsequent editors) of that verse to encode mathematics.

Or in religious terms it is evidence for the divine inspiration of scripture.
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An essential intelligent force, vaster than the known or imagined, fundamental to the pillars of reality itself, has reached-out through the medium of numerology to touch your person. How... cryptic. It needs a manager; at least a Twitter feed.

My own organs of confabulation assure me, personally, there is a number between two others that explains it all. Further, they pledge that all other forces revealed to anyone else are false.
 
Nowhere Man said:
I haven't dared open that link, but I bet the fact that 2701 = 37 * 73 makes an appearance.

Fred
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You're right, it does. Both are hexagram numbers too.

The first verse of John's gospel sums to 3627, which is 39 X 93. A trapezium can be formed from 3627 counters and triangle 2701 will rest on it to give triangle 6328. This is the 112th triangle, 112 being the numerical value of YHVH Elohim (the Lord God) in Hebrew.
 
Delvo said:
Wait... if you've found something special about the Vedas (other than the obviously nirvana-inspired illuminating wisdom in just a plain-words reading of them, of course), why isn't that what you started a thread about?
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Are you assuming I would only defend the Christian concept of God? Better to assume nothing, I suggest.
 
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