If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

What forces are not an action-reaction pair?

Have you not read the posts directed at you, at the very least? The distinction was made not long ago. Don't you think that, at some point, ignoring posts in order to then pretend that they don't exist, stops being an effective and justified debate tactic?

What legitimate work have I ignored?

The underlined really looks like a weasel word, from here.
 
Do I need to point out the problems with your post, or will you just accept that you are wrong?


You need to point them out.

Will you accept post #317 as proof you are wrong, or do I need to dissect each of your claims and prove why they are wrong?


You need to do that. It is of the utmost importance.

If you ask to me to prove that you are wrong, once I do so by providing reasons and links to credible sources that support my claims, what will I get in return? If you are just going to say that I'm wrong, like the other skeptics do, then I'm not going to waste my time pointing out the mistakes.


There are no guarantees in life.
 
"Might" is not the correct word. The acceleration will be reduced. Newton's third law of motion says it has to be reduced.

I think that you'll find that he's talking noticeable change. For instance, if the Earth hit an a small Asteroid head on, do you think that those of us that survived its effects would have to change the length of a year?

At the instant of collision, the velocity will change. It has to. If an object is moving in one direction, and it encounters a force in the opposite direction of its motion - even for an instant, it's velocity will change. In fact, its velocity will be less than it was before the impact, if the force is in the opposite direction. Newton's third law of motion says this has to be true.

If the object is in a state of constant velocity this is true, but what happens in the case of an object that is accelerating and thus had its velocity changing over time already?

The definition of acceleration is change in velocity with respect to time. If the velocity changes, even for an instant, then the acceleration must also change, even if it's just for an instant.

This is true, but by how much must it change?

The collision does alter the acceleration. The collision provides a force in the opposite direction of travel. A force in the opposite direction of travel will reduce the velocity of the falling object, even if it's just for an instant. If the velocity of an object is reduced with respect to time, then the object is said to decelerate.

Here is where you go wrong. Remember that a falling object is accelerating at 9.8 m/s2. Lets go back to our Skydiver. On jumping out of the plane the Skydiver will immediately begin experiencing Air Resistance, thus a force in the opposite direction of travel.

Will the Skydiver accelerate, or decelerate?

If you say Accelerate, then explain how this is true if the hilited part above is correct, and if you say decelerate, then explain how come when they jump out of the plane they don't just float in the air and their downward velocity decreases due to deceleration.

This is wrong.

Incorrect

Let me break this down concept by concept.

1. If an object is in motion it has a velocity. Velocity is the speed of the motion and direction of motion.
2. Acceleration is a change in velocity with respect to time.
3. If the velocity is increasing with respect to time it is said to accelerate.
4. If the velocity is decreasing with respect to time it is said to decelerate.

Let me summarize this.

If velocity increases with respect to time there is acceleration.
If the velocity stays constant with respect to time there is no acceleration.
If the velocity decreases with respect to time there is deceleration.

Are any of the above statements incorrect? No.

So far so good, the mistake is coming up

This is wrong because in your example an object is accelerating downwards. To be perfectly clear, this means that the velocity is increasing in the downwards direction with respect to time. In your example the accelerating object then collides with another object.

And here is your mistake, you make an incorrect assumption that all collisions will cause an accelerating object to decelerate. You are missing two scenarios that I showed you with Air Resistance. The collision may simply lessen the Acceleration id the force is less than that of gravity, or it might reduce it to zero if it is equal to gravity. It will only cause a deceleration if the force experienced is greater then the force applied by gravity.

This is wrong. Newton's third law says that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If your example object is accelerating downwards, at the instant of impact with the other object the velocity will change. It has to, because it is encountering a force in the opposite direction of travel. The opposite force causes the velocity to decrease. What term do we use when the velocity of an object decreases with respect to time? The term is deceleration.

You are still forgetting that your falling object is already accelerating. You keep treating it as if it's travelling at a constant velocity, not like it accelerating.

If you are in a 1,544 kg Ferrari 488 Spider and are accelerating at along a runway at 25m/s2 and hit a stationary 2 gram bee, will that cause the car to decelerate?

If there is deceleration, and Newton has have proven there is, your statement is wrong.

Again, remember that you're dealing with an already accelerating object, not one at constant Velocity, it really makes a difference.

If you want to be taken seriously, admit you were wrong and move on.

Good advice, I suggest you take it on this one too.
 
Is FalseFlag conflating acceleration with velocity?

Hard to tell. He seems to confuse reduction in acceleration with deceleration, and doesn't seem to realize that multiple forces produce a resultant force that can be determined by vector addition, which makes it seem like he believes gravity stops acting for the instant that a falling object hits something else because objects can only be acted on by one force at a time, so the forces all have to queue up and take turns. But "seem" may be the only relevant word here.

Dave
 
Hard to tell. He seems to confuse reduction in acceleration with deceleration, and doesn't seem to realize that multiple forces produce a resultant force that can be determined by vector addition, which makes it seem like he believes gravity stops acting for the instant that a falling object hits something else because objects can only be acted on by one force at a time, so the forces all have to queue up and take turns. But "seem" may be the only relevant word here.

Dave

He also seems to think that all forces in the universe are equal, since, you know, all of them are connected and his understanding of action-reaction is simplistic to the point of parody.
 
Your post makes no sense. Cole's experiments are relevant to 9/11. They belong in this forum, even though you don't agree with them.

This forum is for 9/11 Conspiracy theories. If Coles video is just to replicate the motion of the towers and nothing else as you claim, then it has nothing to do with conspiracy and should be in the Maths and Science forum.

The only reason to have it in this forum is to try and make a claim of conspiracy based on the video, but since Cole doesn't do anything other then replicate the motion, according to you, all while using a non-representative model, nothing from that model can be actually be applied to the Tower collapses.

We're getting back to the Windmill Sail and the Car Wheel. The rotation of the Sail might replicate the rotation of the car wheel, but you can't apply the mechanics of the Sail to claim car wheels spin by the air blowing them.

Neither can you apply the mechanics of Cole's experiment Models to the Towers Collapses because the structure of the Models and Towers are completely different.
 
Sites that give a general explanation of physical concepts are unacceptable;

Dave

I will gladly do this once you prove that the sites I have linked to are wrong. Also, please explain why a site that gives a "general explanation of physical concepts is unacceptable".
 
Nonsense. Your post is word salad with only one purpose. The purpose is to make simple concepts seem complicated.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
-- Albert Einstein (well, probably not, but it's still true.)

No, my purpose was to clarify a point that you don't understand. Your purpose seems to be simplifying things to the point that you can understand them, without realizing that you've simplified them to the point that they can't be understood.
 
I will gladly do this once you prove that the sites I have linked to are wrong. Also, please explain why a site that gives a "general explanation of physical concepts is unacceptable".

I've asked you to provide a link to a site that supports the specific claims you made. Please do so, or stop making claims without evidence.

Dave
 
No, there cannot be. From the statement of the problem, the tissue is unable to exert a force equal in magnitude to the weight of the brick, which is the force exerted by gravity on the brick.

Newton's third law has nothing to do with what happens to each object after the impact. Your refusal to admit this proves you just won't admit I'm right, or you really don't understand basic concepts.

If the brick is already falling, it is accelerating at g (neglecting air resistance) before it hits the tissue. At the "instant" of impact, it is stil accelerating, at (g - the small upward force exerted by the tissue). After the impact, it is accelerating at g again. At no point is the brick ever decelerating (slowing down); it's downward speed never stops increasing.

I have already addressed your argument in post 317. Your refusal to accept it is not proof you are right. You keep posting the same wrong concepts repeatedly. I have shown why they are wrong. Your denial is nothing more than that - denial.
 
You have to be kidding. I have clearly stated the correct definitions. The fact that you asked this is proof you are simply ignoring my posts.

I asked you to stop breaking the irony meters.

You've pretty much ignored every attempt to educate you, and you make statements that betray a deep ignorance of physics. Your pretense that it is your opponents who are ignoring your posts or are ignorant is laughably transparent.
 
I've asked you to provide a link to a site that supports the specific claims you made. Please do so, or stop making claims without evidence.

Dave

You are moving the goal posts. I have provided links to credible sources. You can accept them, or you can refuse. Your refusal to accept a credible source contradicts your claim that you actually have a PhD in physics.
 
I asked you to stop breaking the irony meters.

You've pretty much ignored every attempt to educate you, and you make statements that betray a deep ignorance of physics. Your pretense that it is your opponents who are ignoring your posts or are ignorant is laughably transparent.

That's funny, because I have so completely shut you down, and everyone else, that you are not even bothering to try to refute my claims. You can't because they are right.

Your refusal to accept my claims and the supporting proof is clear evidence that all of you are in denial.
 
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
-- Albert Einstein (well, probably not, but it's still true.)

No, my purpose was to clarify a point that you don't understand. Your purpose seems to be simplifying things to the point that you can understand them, without realizing that you've simplified them to the point that they can't be understood.
This is word salad, but I do have to give you credit for making it good word salad. At least you put effort into your post.
 

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