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Yes, it is. I'm just going to stop right here, since you clearly aren't interested in an honest discussion.

Pffft. Aw crap, you owe me a new keyboard.

Anyway, for the benefit of disingenuous folk like me who want dishonest discussions, I'll note the following for the record:

David Kendall received his state department security clearance in November 2014. His colleague, Katherine Turner, received her security clearance in December 2014. The state department requested Hillary's emails on October 28, 2014, and Hillary coughed up 30,490 emails (out of a total of 60,000) on December 5, 2014. So the timing doesn't even work out, unless Hillary didn't even give her emails to her lawyers until David Kendall got his security clearance some time in November, and he was the only one working on them until December, 2014 at the earliest. After which, Katherine Turner could only have been working on them for a maximum of 4 days before finishing the job. Yes, I am incredulous that only people with security clearances had access to Hillary's emails between October 28, 2014 and December 5, 2014. And, yes, my incredulity stems from the fact that it is physically impossible for it to be otherwise. I guess that's argument from incredulity. Also known as logic.
 
Pffft. Aw crap, you owe me a new keyboard.

Anyway, for the benefit of disingenuous folk like me who want dishonest discussions, I'll note the following for the record:

David Kendall received his state department security clearance in November 2014.

Pretty sure he didn't get it in November of 2014. The information Elvis posted says he received his TS/SCI clearance in November of 2013. He was given additional top secret access in November of 2014. Is that what you meant? Are you stating he had to have top secret level clearance to look through her emails? The TS/SCI wasn't enough to view her emails? As stated in the letter, the first email wasn't even labeled secret until 6 months later, and there is a massive argument regarding if that is even legit or not.

His colleague, Katherine Turner, received her security clearance in December 2014. The state department requested Hillary's emails on October 28, 2014, and Hillary coughed up 30,490 emails (out of a total of 60,000) on December 5, 2014. So the timing doesn't even work out, unless Hillary didn't even give her emails to her lawyers until David Kendall got his security clearance some time in November, and he was the only one working on them until December, 2014 at the earliest. After which, Katherine Turner could only have been working on them for a maximum of 4 days before finishing the job. Yes, I am incredulous that only people with security clearances had access to Hillary's emails between October 28, 2014 and December 5, 2014. And, yes, my incredulity stems from the fact that it is physically impossible for it to be otherwise. I guess that's argument from incredulity. Also known as logic.

Unless I'm mistaken, didn't 16.5's link say that they scanned them and then made them searchable?

How doesn't the timing work out? The one lawyer had over a month to check them over. It's only 60,000 emails, and we can absolutely count on the fact that the majority of them were not 10-12 page emails, but probably more like 1-2 sentences, at most 1-2 paragraphs. How long does it take you to read an email?

Either the companies you work for are pathetically slow at doing their jobs, or these guys are really good. I page through, literally, hundreds of emails daily. If the body and subject of my email inbox is searchable I can find it in no more than a 10 seconds.
 
I'm wondering how many shoes have to drop in this case. Or how long it's going to take the most hardheaded of Hillary's defenders to put 2 and 2 together.

Politico: Second Judge Grants Discovery, Cites "Bad Faith"

Citing indications of wrongdoing and bad faith, a federal judge has overruled government objections by declaring that a conservative group is entitled to more details about how Hillary Clinton's private email account was integrated into the State Department recordkeeping system and why it was not searched in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

By the way, 2+2=4, and Hillary is furiously trying to bury evidence of criminal conduct until November.
 
I'm wondering how many shoes have to drop in this case. Or how long it's going to take the most hardheaded of Hillary's defenders to put 2 and 2 together.

Politico: Second Judge Grants Discovery, Cites "Bad Faith"

By the way, 2+2=4, and Hillary is furiously trying to bury evidence of criminal conduct until November.
So a conservative group wants to pursue Benghazi as if Gowdy and Issa haven't looked hard enough:
as the group pursues legal claims that State did not respond completely to a FOIA request filed in May 2014 seeking records about talking points then-U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice used for TV appearances discussing the deadly attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi in September 2012.
and the judge rules against the State Department, not against Clinton to release yet more BS about Rice's talking points when Obama himself called it a terrorist act the day after....

This is some incredibly sick harassment:
Court Judge Emmet Sullivan gave Judicial Watch the go-ahead to pursue depositions of Clinton aides in a lawsuit for records about former Clinton Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin....

litigation which involves dozens of lawsuits brought by Clinton's political opponents as well as news organizations.
What is it about this Benghazi witch hunt whether or not the attack was properly described as planned rather than spontaneous that I am supposed to believe is a coverup of criminal conduct?

As Clinton so elegantly said, "What difference does it make?"
Context:
"Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night and decided they’d go kill some Americans," Clinton said. "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"
 
:eye-poppi

You think that statement reflects well on her? I think it may be the most cringeworthy thing she has ever said. And that's a pretty damn high bar.

As cringeworthy as the post you were replying to?

Yikes.

A second Federal judge finds evidence that Hillary and the state department acted in bad faith and orders discovery and the Hillary precinct captain calls that "sick harassment"?

Leave Hillary alone.
 
As Clinton so elegantly said, "What difference does it make?"
Context:

With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?

Hillary? It wasn't a protest and it wasn't "guys out for a walk."

It was a well planned terrorist attack exploiting your failure to provide the security that was requested.

"guys out for a walk".... how "eloquent"
 
I'm wondering how many shoes have to drop in this case. Or how long it's going to take the most hardheaded of Hillary's defenders to put 2 and 2 together.

Politico: Second Judge Grants Discovery, Cites "Bad Faith"



By the way, 2+2=4, and Hillary is furiously trying to bury evidence of criminal conduct until November.

Yeah, hey - thanks I saw that and meant to post it earlier.

I can't think of anything more irresponsible than not vetting your candidate before running her. But once it is pretty clear they got bad baggage and getting worse, you try to cut your losses instead of recklessly forging ahead.

This is just great for Trump, so long as they keep Hillary running.

Who knows - pardons are the worst case scenario maybe. When it happens we'll still be told that "nothing happened".
 
U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth granted discovery to Judicial Watch into Hillary Clinton’s email matter. Lamberth ruled that “where there is evidence of government wrong-doing and bad faith, as here, limited discovery is appropriate, even though it is exceedingly rare in FOIA cases.”

Where there is evidence of "wrong doing" and "bad faith"!

WOW.

It continues:



Read it here: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...JW-v-State-Memorandum-and-discovery-01242.pdf

Yeah, hey - thanks I saw that and meant to post it earlier.

I can't think of anything more irresponsible than not vetting your candidate before running her. But once it is pretty clear they got bad baggage and getting worse, you try to cut your losses instead of recklessly forging ahead.

This is just great for Trump, so long as they keep Hillary running.

Who knows - pardons are the worst case scenario maybe. When it happens we'll still be told that "nothing happened".

:(
 
:eye-poppi

You think that statement reflects well on her? I think it may be the most cringeworthy thing she has ever said. And that's a pretty damn high bar.

Not that I expect you to take a step back here and honestly look at the issues but I'll post it anyway.

The GOP is manufacturing outrage: Obama won't say Islamic terrorism. After Benghazi they tried to cover up the fact it was a terrorist act and not a spontaneous act.

On both counts, what difference does it make? I know the right wingers want this to be some big deal and a big coverup. It's idiotic, semantics, contrived outrage. You and others though just drink that koolaid right up.

Benghazi happens. The GOP would have just loved to find some way to blame Clinton. It's their life's mission. :rolleyes: But after a couple of years of trying and trying there wasn't anything. It was Congress that didn't fund their safety, not Clinton. And no one looked the other way when they sent out a call for help, no help was close enough to get there.

But lacking any actual thing to blame Clinton on, they contrived this supposed cover up, like Obama was trying to hide terrorism to make himself look better.

That's what the GOP would do, they project it onto Obama. There might be legitimate differences in how people perceive the progress we are making (or not making) against ISIS. But Obama has nothing to gain by such deception.

The 2012 election was not won because people saw Obama making great progress against terrorism. He got Bin Laden in 2011, and no one was crying out for handling the Middle East mess any better than he was, certainly Romney wasn't running on being a better Commander in Chief.

Obama described the Benghazi attack as a terrorist attack the next morning in the Rose Garden.

But this entire contrived coverup kept rolling along focusing on Susan Rice's Sunday morning talk shows talking points.

Do you know how many times the Bush admin sent liars around to the Sunday morning talk shows when they were faking it about Iraq's WMDs. They leaked a story to the NYT then Cheney went on the talk shows the next day and referred to the NYTs confirming their story when they were the ones that fed it to them. The implication was the Times found corroborating evidence independently.

That's the kind of sleaze and deception the Bush Admin carried out. Trying to make the difference between reporting a spontaneous vs a planned attack against the Ambassador in Benghazi is such a ludicrous minute contrived coverup. It was such a coverup, Obama must have forgotten and spilled the beans the day after the attack. You'd think if this was some kind of coverup he might have been given the same talking points.

I can't see any realistic evidence that Obama has been trying to cover up ongoing acts of terrorism. Yes, maybe he believes a rosier picture than someone else might see. But there is no concerted effort to cover up acts of terrorism going on around the world. There is no prize in such a coverup. None. Zilch.

So to answer your question, yes, I think that statement not only reflects well on Clinton, she was absolutely right.
 
Not that I expect you to take a step back here and honestly look at the issues but I'll post it anyway.

The GOP is manufacturing outrage: Obama won't say Islamic terrorism. After Benghazi they tried to cover up the fact it was a terrorist act and not a spontaneous act.

On both counts, what difference does it make? I know the right wingers want this to be some big deal and a big coverup. It's idiotic, semantics, contrived outrage. You and others though just drink that koolaid right up.

Benghazi happens. The GOP would have just loved to find some way to blame Clinton. It's their life's mission. :rolleyes: But after a couple of years of trying and trying there wasn't anything. It was Congress that didn't fund their safety, not Clinton. And no one looked the other way when they sent out a call for help, no help was close enough to get there.

But lacking any actual thing to blame Clinton on, they contrived this supposed cover up, like Obama was trying to hide terrorism to make himself look better.

That's what the GOP would do, they project it onto Obama. There might be legitimate differences in how people perceive the progress we are making (or not making) against ISIS. But Obama has nothing to gain by such deception.

The 2012 election was not won because people saw Obama making great progress against terrorism. He got Bin Laden in 2011, and no one was crying out for handling the Middle East mess any better than he was, certainly Romney wasn't running on being a better Commander in Chief.

Obama described the Benghazi attack as a terrorist attack the next morning in the Rose Garden.

But this entire contrived coverup kept rolling along focusing on Susan Rice's Sunday morning talk shows talking points.

Do you know how many times the Bush admin sent liars around to the Sunday morning talk shows when they were faking it about Iraq's WMDs. They leaked a story to the NYT then Cheney went on the talk shows the next day and referred to the NYTs confirming their story when they were the ones that fed it to them. The implication was the Times found corroborating evidence independently.

That's the kind of sleaze and deception the Bush Admin carried out. Trying to make the difference between reporting a spontaneous vs a planned attack against the Ambassador in Benghazi is such a ludicrous minute contrived coverup. It was such a coverup, Obama must have forgotten and spilled the beans the day after the attack. You'd think if this was some kind of coverup he might have been given the same talking points.

I can't see any realistic evidence that Obama has been trying to cover up ongoing acts of terrorism. Yes, maybe he believes a rosier picture than someone else might see. But there is no concerted effort to cover up acts of terrorism going on around the world. There is no prize in such a coverup. None. Zilch.

So to answer your question, yes, I think that statement not only reflects well on Clinton, she was absolutely right.

No she was a complete idiot who was grossly incompetent in Libya from beginning to end.

The fact that you claim her moronic "guys" walking around statement eloquent is utterly ridiculous.

No surprise that the caucus in WA was a spectacular failure for Hillary and her precinct captains.
 
Obama described the Benghazi attack as a terrorist attack the next morning in the Rose Garden.
Yeah right. Even as his goons were rounding up the guy who made the internet video that nobody ever heard of. Obama and his flunkies were selling that BS story for months, including Obama at the UN. Or have you forgotten that already?
But this entire contrived coverup kept rolling along focusing on Susan Rice's Sunday morning talk shows talking points.
Evidently so...

Do you know how many times the Bush admin sent liars around to the Sunday morning talk shows when they were faking it about Iraq's WMDs.
Know who else was talking about Saddam's definitely having WMD's? Bill and Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albright, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Henry Waxman...
Snopes: Democrats and Iraq WMDs
 
Do you think that might have been because they were fed "intelligence" by the Bush administration?

Even two full years before they were elected??? Wow, that Bush was an extra special kind of evil...
Snopes said:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998. "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998. "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.
:jaw-dropp
 
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Pffft. Aw crap, you owe me a new keyboard.

Anyway, for the benefit of disingenuous folk like me who want dishonest discussions, I'll note the following for the record:

David Kendall received his state department security clearance in November 2014. His colleague, Katherine Turner, received her security clearance in December 2014. The state department requested Hillary's emails on October 28, 2014, and Hillary coughed up 30,490 emails (out of a total of 60,000) on December 5, 2014. So the timing doesn't even work out, unless Hillary didn't even give her emails to her lawyers until David Kendall got his security clearance some time in November, and he was the only one working on them until December, 2014 at the earliest. After which, Katherine Turner could only have been working on them for a maximum of 4 days before finishing the job. Yes, I am incredulous that only people with security clearances had access to Hillary's emails between October 28, 2014 and December 5, 2014. And, yes, my incredulity stems from the fact that it is physically impossible for it to be otherwise. I guess that's argument from incredulity. Also known as logic.

I'll refer you to the pdf I linked, and your original post:

I'll note that you didn't have anything to say about the lawyers Hillary gave the classified information to. Her lawyers are bound by ethical rules as well, and attorney-client privilege is actually recognized in the law. Yet, she still broke the law by giving her attorneys access to classified information since they were not authorized to receive it.
 
The FBI has 150 agents working on it.
I am sorry, I see that I neglected to link the article that I just quoted from!

https://news.vice.com/article/fbi-investigation-hillary-clinton-email-server-details

My apologies

/who wants to place a wager that the FBI is taking a long hard look at how Clinton Family Foundation employee Sid Blumenthal got NSA top secret information regarding a high level meeting in the Sudan and emailed it to Hillary Clinton less than 24 hours later?

Or ... fewer than 50 :rolleyes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article incorrectly said that Clinton used two different email addresses, sometimes interchangeably, as secretary of state. She used only hdr22@clintonemail.com as secretary of state. Also, an earlier version of this article reported that 147 FBI agents had been detailed to the investigation, according to a lawmaker briefed by FBI Director James B. Comey. Two U.S. law enforcement officials have since told The Washington Post that figure is too high. The FBI will not provide an exact figure, but the officials say the number of FBI personnel involved is fewer than 50.
 
I'll refer you to the pdf I linked, and your original post:

And I stand by that statement. First of all, the security clearances were likely not granted in time. Second, they were for the narrow purpose of helping Hillary to prepare for her Benghazi testimony. That does not give them authority to see any and all classified information. Third, David Kendall does not even claim that the information was secured properly at the time his law firm (not just he) received it. He makes a big, big deal about the "fact" that none of the information was classified at the time his law firm received it, even though we know that's a lie. No doubt he does that because he knows that, at the time the emails were provided to his law firm, many people received it without proper authorization.

I'll note further that Kendall's earlier clearance is from the Department of Justice and clearly was narrowed in scope and for a specific purpose (other than examining Hillary's emails created while she was in the State Department). I doubt that made him an authorized recipient of classified information from the State Department.

Finally, there's no way that a bigwig like David Kendall will waste his time looking through Hillary's emails. NFW. He's going to have lower level people do it. The guy has been a partner for 35 years and is 72 years old. And in case you need reminding, Hillary did claim that her emails were examined individually. I have no doubt that the ones she provided to the State Department (over 30,000) were vetted very carefully. The ones she tossed might have only been run through a very loose keyword search filter.
 
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