Foolmewunz
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Oh, don't be sad. Think of the good times ahead. Eight years of Hillary in the White House!!
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Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
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Oh, don't be sad. Think of the good times ahead. Eight years of Hillary in the White House!!
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dudalb
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Ideological glasses is very accurate. I think the best that can be said for Clinton is that she's the least bad option who is likely to get on the ticket, but if you are a cheerleader for a genuine murderer like Assad and are a raving conspiracy theorist, you don't have a credible claim to the high ground...
How many of Clinton's supposed crimes are actually just CT ranting?
Trakar
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I will continue to support Senator Sanders' campaign until the point he tries to tell me that it is in his supporters' best interest to support some other Democratic nominee. Likewise, I will continue to send his campaign the same monthly donations I have for the last seven months and continue to urge family, friends, and neighbors here in the Western States to support and vote for him in our primaries and caucuses (even though it is mostly preaching to the choir amongst that crowd). Beyond that, we'll have to see how things unfold, Dr. Stein might set some new third-party records!
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Manopolus
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She's definitely drooling over the prospects of Bernie leaving the race, if you look at her FB page.
I don't think it's time to give up yet though.
Most of the states voting from here on out have been more favorable to Bernie all along. The only question is whether they'll backslide Hillary's way due to the prior losses. That's sort of the problem with a gradual primary/caucus set up. If we all voted at once, it'd actually be more fair -- although there'd be problems with that, too.
There's certainly a sense of resignation going on (not a good sign), but the next few states have always been polling better for Bernie than anything up to this point. Plus, he's doing rallies in those states (Arizona, etc.) while Hillary is doing high-end fundraisers in states that have already voted for TV money. We'll see which strategy is better.
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Why? So she can have her 15 minutes of fame?
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Manopolus
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Her platform is quite similar to his, but further to the left. Actually, a lot of her supporters from last cycle are supporting Bernie at the moment, so in reality she's going nowhere until he's out of the picture. I guess she's hoping she can get enough of his support on the backwash to gain momentum for the Greens. She won't win, but it's possible that the party will gain in strength from what it has been.
To be bluntly honest, I don't think The Greens have a chance at much of anything as long as she's the best candidate they can field.
Here's her latest post, and the article attached:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics...story.html?s_campaign=bcom:socialflow:twitter
So... she's obviously trying really hard to use Bernie's campaign as a step up for herself, almost to the point of being pathetic. Once Bernie is done, she'll be making herself out to be his replacement in the "political revolution."
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Trakar
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As an aside, last Sunday the German Green Party for the first time in history came out as the strongest party in a state election (30,3% in Baden-Württemberg). Can't be said that there's much "left" about them after the march through the institutions, though.
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Trakar
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She's not a bad person, just not a politician.
The Green Party's problem isn't a lack of good candidates, it's a lack of solid national support, even worse than what Bernie had this time last year.
It may never be a significant American party, and likely won't be a strong and viable party most places for several more decades, until its way too late to do anything cheaply or easily, and then it will already be way too late to make any significant difference anyway.
The course of history is not predetermined, unless people fail to study it and learn from the mistakes of the past.
ddt
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Mainly due to an exodus of voters from both main parties to the AfD. They had already surpassed the socialists at the previous elections, in 2011, a month after Fukushima, and claimed the PM position in a red-green coalition. That was the biggest upset in a state that had always had a CDU (center-right) majority. But it now really gets interesting what coalition will be built...
Manopolus
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Hmm... I was stationed in Baden-Wurttemberg (Pirmasens area) back in the early '90s. I didn't know much about their politics though, other than that the older folks would have preferred that I spoke German.
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Trakar
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Well, just as I am certain that very few people in the US have the same ideals in mind when they think of the Green Party, I'm pretty sure this problem is magnified looking internationally.
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They won an additional 6 percentage points though, and for example more former SPD (socalists *cough*) voters went to them than to the AfD, which profited most from former non-voters (and only second from former CDU voters). Wählerwanderung
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In Germany the (ecological) core ideals the Green party showed up with have been pretty much internalized by the whole political spectrum these days, while in return majority fractions of the Greens, f.e. in that state, have abandoned any fundamental opposition to the neo-liberal economical status quo. As ddt pointed out, Baden-Württemberg has always been home turf for the Christian Democrats and hasn't suddenly turned into a hippy state. I'd suspect the likely new and old prime minister would even turn out to the right, authoritarian side of Bernie if the two would take a political compass test.
Trakar
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Must be nice to live in a civilized nation.
As far as my considerations go, the original Christians, were nothing more or less than the original (Jewish) Hippies.
And despite logger's incredulity, in addition to being a Bull Moose (Progressive) Republican (an endangered species many claim), I am also a very Roman Catholic, not that I have anything against others' beliefs, or the lack of such.
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