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Bullish on Bernie: The Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread

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catsmate said:
So now that Saunders has effectively lost to Clinton, what next? Other than an upsurge in attacks on Clinton of course.
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I wouldn't say he's lost at this point; although it's not looking good with Clinton's current lead. But except for New York, all of Clinton's stronghold states have voted, and Sanders has managed very close races in the swing states, picking up close to half of those delegates. A strong win in California could erase most or all of Clinton's lead; though that state is likely to be as close as the rest of them.

Washington and Pennsylvania are still to vote, and a strong 60/40 win in those, combined with similarly strong wins in the Midwest and Southwest, could erase Clinton's lead and make the superdelegates the tie-breaker vote; which admittedly is likely to go to Clinton, though the past history of superdelegate voting makes that less than assured. Unlike the GOP, the Dem's primaries are all proportional, no winner-take-all, so even a loss in a few states can help if the voting is close enough, and there are no more landslide wins for Clinton as there have been in the South.

At this point, it's looking like Clinton is going to clinch the nomination before the end of the primaries; but Sanders is not out yet, there's still a decent chance he could pull off a popular win, which could sway enough superdelegates to his side to get the nomination. And uphill battle, but not an inherently unwinnable one, as the remaining states aside from New York and California are likely to be strong Sanders supporters. NY and CA will probably be close to evenly split. I'm betting Clinton will take NY and Sanders will take CA; but not by a decisive margin. And CA is one of the last stated to vote. I'm fairly certain that this race will not be decided until June.

By contrast, it's looking very much like Trump is going to get the nomination; while a group of Republican voters are talking about running a third-party candidate if he does. If they do so, that would be excellent news for whoever the Dem candidate happens to be.
 
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luchog said:
I wouldn't say he's lost at this point; although it's not looking good with Clinton's current lead. But except for New York, all of Clinton's stronghold states have voted, and Sanders has managed very close races in the swing states, picking up close to half of those delegates. A strong win in California could erase most or all of Clinton's lead; though that state is likely to be as close as the rest of them.

Washington and Pennsylvania are still to vote, and a strong 60/40 win in those, combined with similarly strong wins in the Midwest and Southwest, could erase Clinton's lead and make the superdelegates the tie-breaker vote; which admittedly is likely to go to Clinton, though the past history of superdelegate voting makes that less than assured. Unlike the GOP, the Dem's primaries are all proportional, no winner-take-all, so even a loss in a state can help if the voting is close enough and there are no more landslide wins for Clinton as there have been in the South.

At this point, it's looking like Clinton is going to clinch the nomination; but Sanders is not out yet, there's still a decent chance he could pull off a popular win, which could sway enough superdelegates to his side to get the nomination. And uphill battle, but not an inherently unwinnable one, as the remaining states aside from New York and California are likely to be strong Sanders supporters. NY and CA will probably be close to evenly split. I'm betting Clinton will take NY and Sanders will take CA; but not by a decisive margin.
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Maya22 said:
I don't understand the antagonism between Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters. Can't we all agree that both Sanders and Clinton are more qualified, more compassionate and much smarter than either Cruz or Trump?
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Apparently not, because wanting true change and improvement instead of maintaining the status quo and steady downward slide is somehow bad and stupid and evidence that people wanting change just don't understand what they want; and Sanders is clearly a joke candidate, despite pulling better than 40% of the liberal vote overall, with mostly Clinton stronghold states voting and Sanders managing a small overall lead over Clinton outside the south.

But it's clearly important to ridicule anyone who opposes Clinton, because that's the accepted tone of her campaign and supporters. Anyone who embraces the high road is an idealistic idiot.
 
luchog said:
Apparently not, because wanting true change and improvement instead of maintaining the status quo and steady downward slide is somehow bad and stupid and evidence that people wanting change just don't understand what they want; and Sanders is clearly a joke candidate, despite pulling better than 40% of the liberal vote overall, with mostly Clinton stronghold states voting and Sanders managing a small overall lead over Clinton outside the south.

But it's clearly important to ridicule anyone who opposes Clinton, because that's the accepted tone of her campaign and supporters. Anyone who embraces the high road is an idealistic idiot.
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Are you under the impression that, to name a few self-professed Sanders supporters, Dog Town, 16.5, Trakar, and BenBurch have taken the high road?
 
luchog said:
I wouldn't say he's lost at this point; although it's not looking good with Clinton's current lead. But except for New York, all of Clinton's stronghold states have voted, and Sanders has managed very close races in the swing states, picking up close to half of those delegates. A strong win in California could erase most or all of Clinton's lead; though that state is likely to be as close as the rest of them.

Washington and Pennsylvania are still to vote, and a strong 60/40 win in those, combined with similarly strong wins in the Midwest and Southwest, could erase Clinton's lead and make the superdelegates the tie-breaker vote; which admittedly is likely to go to Clinton, though the past history of superdelegate voting makes that less than assured. Unlike the GOP, the Dem's primaries are all proportional, no winner-take-all, so even a loss in a few states can help if the voting is close enough, and there are no more landslide wins for Clinton as there have been in the South.

At this point, it's looking like Clinton is going to clinch the nomination before the end of the primaries; but Sanders is not out yet, there's still a decent chance he could pull off a popular win, which could sway enough superdelegates to his side to get the nomination. And uphill battle, but not an inherently unwinnable one, as the remaining states aside from New York and California are likely to be strong Sanders supporters. NY and CA will probably be close to evenly split. I'm betting Clinton will take NY and Sanders will take CA; but not by a decisive margin. And CA is one of the last stated to vote. I'm fairly certain that this race will not be decided until June.

By contrast, it's looking very much like Trump is going to get the nomination; while a group of Republican voters are talking about running a third-party candidate if he does. If they do so, that would be excellent news for whoever the Dem candidate happens to be.
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No, he hasn't technically lost. Just realistically.

But no one claimed realism was a strong suit of Sanders supporters.
 
luchog said:
Apparently not, because wanting true change and improvement instead of maintaining the status quo and steady downward slide is somehow bad and stupid and evidence that people wanting change just don't understand what they want; and Sanders is clearly a joke candidate, despite pulling better than 40% of the liberal vote overall, with mostly Clinton stronghold states voting and Sanders managing a small overall lead over Clinton outside the south.

But it's clearly important to ridicule anyone who opposes Clinton, because that's the accepted tone of her campaign and supporters. Anyone who embraces the high road is an idealistic idiot.
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SO much straw ...
 
I do get a kick out of the people who claim not be big fans of Hillary crowing about yesterday's results.

She was in 1% of losing her home state of Illinois.
 
ANd there is that almost all anylist agree that Bernie's Tax Plan would not just soak the rich,but hit most middle class Americans with a 10 to 15% tax increase.
The GOP would have gone to town on that.
 
16.5 said:
I do get a kick out of the people who claim not be big fans of Hillary crowing about yesterday's results.

She was in 1% of losing her home state of Illinois.
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... where she hasn't lived since... when? High school?

George W. Bush lost his home state Connecticut in the 2000 Republican primaries, and he got whupped there in both the 2000 and 2004 elections, yet he's a two-term president.
 
And Some poltical commentators are saying what I have been saying;That Trump being the likely GOP candidate helped Hilary. A great many of the exit polls interviews said one reason people voted for Hilary was electability.
 
dudalb said:
And Some poltical commentators are saying what I have been saying;That Trump being the likely GOP candidate helped Hilary. A great many of the exit polls interviews said one reason people voted for Hilary was electability.
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I think Trump will also help Clinton in the general. I know several people who are likely Democratic voters, who asked for a Republican ballot in our open primary to vote for a not-Trump candidate. There is no way they'll vote Trump in the general.
 
luchog said:
Apparently not, because wanting true change and improvement instead of maintaining the status quo and steady downward slide is somehow bad and stupid and evidence that people wanting change just don't understand what they want; and Sanders is clearly a joke candidate, despite pulling better than 40% of the liberal vote overall, with mostly Clinton stronghold states voting and Sanders managing a small overall lead over Clinton outside the south.
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Citation needed, obviously.
 
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