Lord Language Resurrection.

[abaddon]

Some people believe that to drink the own urine is good for health.

Those are known as crackpots.

It is possible that to eat their own vomit is good for health, or at least not harmful.

For a dog perhaps. Would you do it?

Russian cosmonauts 50 years drink water that made from their own urine.

Nope. That would be water EXTRACTED and PURIFIED from their urine.

 

[Craig4]

My aesthetic ideal about ensuring the freedom of creativity is Spinoza.
Many great and rich persons offered money and great place to stay with good libraries to work to Spinoza.
He categorically refused these offers and made money on his free creative living by grinding lenses.
I just figured out how to give to everyone the opportunity to earn the insuarence of 26 weeks a year of free creative life.

No, you just said everyone should take 26 weeks of vacation a year and didn't bother to figure out how to pay for it.

 

[Craig B]

My aesthetic ideal about ensuring the freedom of creativity is Spinoza.
Many great and rich persons offered money and great place to stay with good libraries to work to Spinoza.
He categorically refused these offers and made money on his free creative living by grinding lenses.
I just figured out how to give to everyone the opportunity to earn the insuarence of 26 weeks a year of free creative life.

Again, I find your approach to history to be very strange. You have omitted some very important facts. Spinoza did not enjoy public freedom of creativity. He was oppressed by the government of the Dutch Republic, the Calvinist churches, the Roman Catholic Church (which placed Spinoza's writings on the Index of Forbidden Books); and the Amsterdam Synagogue, whose leaders excommunicated him. Here is what they wrote about him.

The Lords of the ma'amad, having long known of the evil opinions and acts of Baruch de Espinoza, have endeavoured by various means and promises, to turn him from his evil ways. But having failed to make him mend his wicked ways, and, on the contrary, daily receiving more and more serious information about the abominable heresies which he practised and taught and about his monstrous deeds, and having for this numerous trustworthy witnesses who have deposed and borne witness to this effect in the presence of the said Espinoza, they became convinced of the truth of the matter; and after all of this has been investigated in the presence of the honourable chachamin [sages], they have decided, with their consent, that the said Espinoza should be excommunicated and expelled from the people of Israel. ( ... )

In September 2012, the Portugees-Israëlietische Gemeente te Amsterdam asked the chief rabbi of their community Haham Pinchas Toledano to reconsider the cherem after consulting several Spinoza experts. However he declined to remove it, citing Spinoza's "preposterous ideas, where he was tearing apart the very fundamentals of our religion".​

His books were banned by the Dutch government in 1678. It is for this kind of reason that I am so hostile to your ideas of setting up a theocratic state, the New Saturday Great Union, to rule Israel, the USA and the European Union.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

No kidding.

What is the main difference between chess world champion winner program that was successfully implemented 15-20 years ago and Google Go playing program that has win from Go world champion some days ago?
Don’t you think that this level of computer developing is enough to make the Judge-Robot or to solve the task of global planning for 1 year and in future for 5 – 7 years and become free from world crises of modern criminal “false free market economy”?

Your imaginary friend.

Don’t hope that he's the “imagine very good inventor of programs”.
He's a real very good inventor of programs.

Now, you are proposing the change the law to fit the robot. Cart before the horse.

Yes!
Because today the laws of nature and the juridical laws are not laws if we have no the algorithms – the math models of their working.
It will be so when high level algorithms and math models designers will be in the state power.
Those people must have the juridical and economical educations as the second education to design the relevant juridical and economic laws because today’s “false laws” are not laws.

Nobody made any claim of perfection. Strawman rejected.

It is the absolute feature of the totalitarian criminal states.

Baloney. Again. You are advocating dictatorship.

If somebody says that to design machines have to do the professional machines designers is this person advocates the dictatorship?!
Today the juridical and economical laws designers and inventers have to be educated person in math models, algorithms and programs invention and designers.
They have to be also the juridical and economists.
If the program win Go it can be made the “judge-robot” for sure.

No. I don't believe you.

You don’t believe me.
You don’t want to check me.
It is absolutely your problem.
Today I have a group of people that not only believe me but go with me to achieve the great ability “To eat only in the 7th Days”.

And you would remain wrong. As always.

OK!
What was the average family wage in US in 1958?
What is it now?
What is the inflation of dollar for those period?
How many members were in the average US family in 1958 and today?
Find those figures and it will become clear to you that I am right.

America has healthcare issues. I might care if I lived there.

So you agree that US has health care issues.

 

[abaddon]

No kidding.

What is the main difference between chess world champion winner program that was successfully implemented 15-20 years ago and Google Go playing program that has win from Go world champion some days ago?
Don’t you think that this level of computer developing is enough to make the Judge-Robot or to solve the task of global planning for 1 year and in future for 5 – 7 years and become free from world crises of modern criminal “false free market economy”?

No. It isn't.

Your imaginary friend.

Don’t hope that he's the “imagine very good inventor of programs”.
He's a real very good inventor of programs.

Now, you are proposing the change the law to fit the robot. Cart before the horse.

Yes!
Because today the laws of nature and the juridical laws are not laws if we have no the algorithms – the math models of their working.
It will be so when high level algorithms and math models designers will be in the state power.
Those people must have the juridical and economical educations as the second education to design the relevant juridical and economic laws because today’s “false laws” are not laws.

Un-evidenced assertion.

Nobody made any claim of perfection. Strawman rejected.

It is the absolute feature of the totalitarian criminal states.

Feel free to provide an example worldwide of a government claiming to be perfect. North Korea springs to mind. Is that the government you want?

Baloney. Again. You are advocating dictatorship.

If somebody says that to design machines have to do the professional machines designers is this person advocates the dictatorship?!
Today the juridical and economical laws designers and inventers have to be educated person in math models, algorithms and programs invention and designers.
They have to be also the juridical and economists.
If the program win Go it can be made the “judge-robot” for sure.

Utter bollocks.

No. I don't believe you.

You don’t believe me.
You don’t want to check me.
It is absolutely your problem.
Today I have a group of people that not only believe me but go with me to achieve the great ability “To eat only in the 7th Days”.

I don't believe you. I checked you and your crazy notions were found wanting. I have no problem. You have no group.

Clear enough?

And you would remain wrong. As always.

OK!
What was the average family wage in US in 1958?
What is it now?
What is the inflation of dollar for those period?
How many members were in the average US family in 1958 and today?
Find those figures and it will become clear to you that I am right.

I don't care. That's America's problem. It's up to them to sort it out. I don't get to impose nutty, unworkable solutions on them. Nor do you.

America has healthcare issues. I might care if I lived there.

So you agree that US has health care issues.

Yes. Yes it does indeed have a healthcare issue. What of it?

 

[Craig B]

Don’t you think that this level of computer developing is enough to make the Judge-Robot or to solve the task of global planning for 1 year and in future for 5 – 7 years and become free from world crises of modern criminal “false free market economy”?

Dear God. NC is going to computerise Stalin. A digitised Stalin Brain will develop Five Year Plans, while a Robot Judge will conduct Show Trials of dissidents.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Dear God. NC is going to computerise Stalin. A digitised Stalin Brain will develop Five Year Plans, while a Robot Judge will conduct Show Trials of dissidents.

[Excerpts from the soon to be visual novel 'Cathartic Nightmare']

Chapter 2; In the bleak grey sky just before another rain storm, slowly hovering over the starving weak masses floats the imperial zeppelin temples, They blare their messages non stop.

In one of the many lines that form for the weekly food allowances stands a man, With the last of his strength he throws a medium sized rock at the blimps in a vain desperate attempt to stop the madness...he fails.

The man is quickly grabbed by the robotic cops and promptly killed after a 5 minute virtual court session with the machine judge, the line trudges forward along with the day.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

You should be able to parse from abaddon's sentence that he can program in a number of computer languages. He is doing so to let you know why he thinks your robot judge idea is untenable.
It is not only a case of needing to change laws in order to create robot judges, it is a case where the technology is inadequate to allow robot judges to assess anything due to the overwhelming complexity of the task

My robot-judge idea is the only way to give the real practical equality of every citizen before the law that never really was.
The fact that computer has win Go world champion proves that we can implement this my great idea for sure.

No, the application of laws and judicial decision making is not a process where computerized thinking is possible - there are simply too many variables in even the seemingly simplest of matters for a computer, which at its heart is limited to one of two answers, to determine.

You have to understand that our post modern so called developed society today exactly in this point of development when we extremely need the radical conceptual reform of all laws to make them compatible to judge-robot programs.
I believe to those professionals that to make judge-robot is absolutely possible.
It is not only a case of needing to change laws in order to create robot judges, it is a case where the technology is inadequate to allow robot judges to assess anything due to the overwhelming complexity of the task.
It is the great task and challenge to system analytics and to law designers.
But I sure that today’s level of people can solve those problem.

You've been reading too much bad sci-fi to practically assess either robotics and computer programming.

Exactly the same thought people 20 years ago that did not believe that it is possible to build the robot-chess winner of world chess champions.
Exactly the same thought people 20 days ago that did not believe that it is possible to build the robot-Go winner of world Go champions.

Odd, I don't see legislation or other conditions that remove formal legal equality from different classes of persons in any western democracy. There are practical concerns with respect to access to the court systems and the advantages that more wealthy litigants or defendants have when compared to the poor, but those differences pale next to the problems that a computerized judiciary would cause.

Only judge-robot can really solve the problem of real practical equality of every citizen before the law.
But totally criminal elite in every brunch and in every level of the state power of every country are oppose this great decision of total justice of course.

They are - we call those people "legislators". They pass laws.

The executive branch implement the laws.

The judicial branch then rule on the laws and their implementation.

You have to understand that all today’s "legislators" of all countries are CRIMINALS!
Only the new type of New Saturday "legislators" that will invent and design the new laws for successful and qualify work of judge-robots will be in the nearest future.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

And you know this precisely how?

Absolutely and very easy.
Very little money – $ 1 billion is enough me to implement this great idea.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Oppose. That would be tantamount to annexation by the USA. I don't care what languages are spoken in different states.

Your primitive local political view have to be replaced by global political view.
Today all people that have not native English have to hate natively speaking English people because they are the main barrier of life success to all other people.
Only my world design were all people will be the native English speaking people will bring the real global justice.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

You know God's political views?

Do Palestinians not like freedom, then?

First we have to build the New Saturday Union of all developed and correctly developing stated of the world.
Holy Resurrected Israel will be the State-Capital of this union.
If the future Palestinian State will be “the correctly developing state it will be the equal member of this great union.
I am sure it will be so.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Your imaginary friend is scared of little pigs.
I don't think he's qualified to make demands of me.
I'm not scared of little pigs, the word "Hebrew" or being ridiculed.

Your fantasy kingdom would be destroyed in less than one minute by one man with a catapult, a pig, a pencil and a sense of humour.

ETA: You waffle on about The USA and Great Britain. Countries you demonstrably know nothing about. Is the reason you don't waffle on about the country you actually live in because you can't find enough made-up crap on Google about it?

You have to understand that today the natively speaking English people with your mentality are the main existentialist problem to all word wide people.
All people have to become the natively speaking English to achieve the real equality.
Implementation of my New Saturday Project will solve the problem of real justice.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Lincoln NEVER owned any slaves.

You could at least make a small effort at research.



Corrections to historical context? As in I don't change the historical context of events to suit my concepts?

Such as - making Abraham Lincoln a slaveholder, or pretending that the Indo-European languages evolved from a Semitic language, or that a sock in a bag water filter is necessary in a city with a functioning water treatment system?

Lincoln was not the enemy of the slavery in the United States for sure.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Lincoln was not a slaveowner, although as his wiki biography reports

In 1842, Abraham Lincoln married Mary Todd, who was a daughter of a slave-owning family from Kentucky. Lincoln returned to the political stage as a result of the 1854 Kansas–Nebraska Act and soon became a leading opponent of the "Slaveocracy"—that is the political power of the southern slave owners.​

You are presumably thinking of Thomas Jefferson, who (sincerely) promoted life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and who owned hundreds of slaves in the course of his life.

The goal of Lincoln was the victory of North States on the South States but not to make the end of slavery.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Lincoln did not own slaves. If you want to make corrections to the historical context you could start by trying to be a tiny bit accurate.

OK!
I believe you that Lincoln did not own slaves.
But he was not the fighter against slavery in US for sure.
But the main great result of his ruling was the end of slavery in the US but not the end of discrimination of black people in the US.
I am not sure that even now there is the full equality of black and white citizens in the US before the law.

 

[abaddon]

Absolutely and very easy.
Very little money – $ 1 billion is enough me to implement this great idea.

It's a really horrible idea maximising misery for the most people.

$1 billion would not even be enough to develop your robot judges.

 

[abaddon]

OK!
I believe you that Lincoln did not own slaves.
But he was not the fighter against slavery in US for sure.
But the main great result of his ruling was the end of slavery in the US but not the end of discrimination of black people in the US.
I am not sure that even now there is the full equality of black and white citizens in the US before the law.

You never tire of being flat out wrong, do you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

 

[bruto]

Absolutely and very easy.
Very little money – $ 1 billion is enough me to implement this great idea.

I don't recall the amount being that large before. Inflation? Or are we counting in Zimbabwean dollars?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Lincoln was not the enemy of the slavery in the United States for sure.

I'm going to beat you to it; I am now trademarking 'For Sure'.

You'll have to eat a hearty meat lovers sub every time you or anyone in this thread uses it. I'll likely be buying a lot of subs 'For Sure™'

 

[Craig4]

The goal of Lincoln was the victory of North States on the South States but not to make the end of slavery.

Not even close to correct. He signed the Emancipation Proclomation freeing slaves in states in rebellion. He pushed through a Constitutional Ammendment banning slavery shortly before he died (though it was approved by the states after his death). He made sure that after victory by the Nortn there would be no slavery in the US.