Continuation Part 20: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Vixen
No. Bruno-Marasca's court- unlike the bent Hellmann court - pointedly did NOT declare them innocent or exonerated, at all. It merely dropped the charges under a different rubric of "insufficient evidence".

In addition, it doesn't have the jurisdiction to overturn nor criticise Chieffi's court or written reasons.

More lies. Yep... More lies.

Which bits are "lies"? So typical of the PIP to label factual truth "a lie".

 

[acbytesla]

British jouralists are trained to the highest standards to check and double-check facts. You'll find it's the Australian Rupert Murdoch group of newspapers which turned into the gutter press for sales, hacking the phone of a young murder victim, accusing an innocent caretaker of the murder of Joanna Yeates and hacking into the phones of the Royal family, etc., but they had their come-uppance. Robert Maxwell - crook extraodinaire who pilfered DAILY MIRROR staff pension funds - was a Czech.

The DAILY MAIL and GUARDIAN have downgraded to appeal to the American market, with their concurrent fetish for useless celebrities.

Apart from that, it is one of the best presses in the world.

Do you have any instances of John Kercher being "a liar"?

No, we thought not.

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British journalists are some of the worst in the world when it comes to honesty and integrity. And the idea they are bad because of America is more lies. For the most part they are written for the British market not the American market. Next thing you'll be saying that the Stamp Act was for the good of the colonies.

 

[acbytesla]

Which bits are "lies"? So typical of the PIP to label factual truth "a lie".

Pretty much everything! It's either delusional, illogical, scientifically absurd or a total fabrication. How do you choose?

 

[Bill Williams]

No. Bruno-Marasca's court- unlike the bent Hellmann court - pointedly did NOT declare them innocent or exonerated, at all. It merely dropped the charges under a different rubric of "insufficient evidence".
In addition, it doesn't have the jurisdiction to overturn nor criticise Chieffi's court or written reasons.

More lies. Yep... More lies.

Which bits are "lies"? So typical of the PIP to label factual truth "a lie".

It will do no good for Vixen to read this - Vixen will just keep on keeping on with the nonsense.

This is what Bruno/Marasca say about the status of Nencini's conviction. No matter, Vixen rarely reads prior to Section 9.4, or anything after Section ten of their report.

10. The intrinsic contradictory nature of the evidence, emerging from the text of
the appealed verdict, in essence undermines the connective tissue of the same,
leading to its annulment.

In fact, in the presence of a scenario marked by many contradictions, the
referral judge should not have come to a verdict of guilt, but - as previously
observed – should have reached a verdict of not guilty, given Article 530, section 2,
Italian Code of Criminal Procedure.

At this point only one matter remains to be resolved, regarding the type of
annulment - i.e., whether it should be decided with or without a new trial.......​

 

[Grinder]

Rubbish. Hellmann has not been "reinstated". He is a pariah. He was sacked, er, "retired". I fully expect to see him face charges of bribery and corruption, together with abuse of office in the near future. The grapevine is claiming he received over €1m- in bribes, together with the €250K sports car shortly after the disgraceful declaration of innocence and freeing the kids, enabling Amanda to flee the country and never come back.

It has long been the policy of the PGP to accuse people of huge sums of money being given or spent. The PR campaign was said to be a multi million dollar effort and Hellmann, C&V as well M&B MUST have paid millions. The press paid for a private jet to whisk Amanda to the land of the free but in fact she flew commercial.

When do you expect the charges to be filed against the judges that acquitted the kids?

 

[Grinder]

If Mez had been aware she was living with an unhinged psychopath, she'd hardly have remained living there. John Kercher was told by a good friend of Mez, that on a return flight to London from Italy, Mez spent the entire journey complaining about Amanda's behaviour. That indicates Mez suffered real alarm bells about this kiddie.

In testimony, John Kercher, being an honest upright Brit who values being honest and truthful in the witness box, could only speak for himself. Referring to what someone else said is pure hearsay, and isn't considered valid evidence, so he didn't indulge in it.

Given that Mignini actually read from one of the disgusting british tabs like the one JK wrote for about the noise ticket, why didn't he call this flight bird to give the non hearsay evidence of what Meredith said?

Btw are you sure the JK transcript was from the trial?

 

[acbytesla]

We still value honesty, decency and fair play here.

Compare and contrast the dignified, polite, bearing of the Kercher family to that of the Sollecitos or the Knoxen and Mellan.

Surely, ye jest? The Knox's, Sollecito's and Edda and Chris Mellas have been far more polite, gracious and dignified than the Kercher family. They have never said anything bad about the Kerchers. In contrast Kercher wrote a book where he lied repeatedly about Amanda Knox. They said they would respect the Italian court's decision but have done nothing of the sort.

 

[Mike1711]

If Mez had been aware she was living with an unhinged psychopath, she'd hardly have remained living there. John Kercher was told by a good friend of Mez, that on a return flight to London from Italy, Mez spent the entire journey complaining about Amanda's behaviour. That indicates Mez suffered real alarm bells about this kiddie.

In testimony, John Kercher, being an honest upright Brit who values being honest and truthful in the witness box, could only speak for himself. Referring to what someone else said is pure hearsay, and isn't considered valid evidence, so he didn't indulge in it.

....and of course that "someone else" could not be found for love nor money to give this testimony.....first hand.

Really!!??

 

[Mr Fied]

We still value honesty, decency and fair play here.

Compare and contrast the dignified, polite, bearing of the Kercher family to that of the Sollecitos or the Knoxen and Mellan.

Compare what.

One side were fighting the wrongful prosecution of their children, and as far as I can tell acted with unbelievable dignity, considering the circumstances.

The other side were being led astray by dodgy lawyers and prosecutors.

I wonder whose idea it was for the Kercher family to release their comments just before every verdict or sentencing was due?

Who's father released a book that was supposed to be about his daughters life, but instead filled it with known lies about her accused attackers?

 

[Mr Fied]

British journalists are trained to the highest standards to check and double-check facts.

The DAILY MAIL and GUARDIAN have downgraded to appeal to the American market, and the concurrent public fetish for useless celebrities.

Apart from that, it is one of the best presses in the world.

Do you have any instances of John Kercher being "a liar"?

No, we thought not.

As a Brit, may I say you are talking complete and utter bollocks.

Our press has been living in the gutter for decades, this is not a new thing due to the involvement of Murdoch or trying to appeal to the American market.

Have a look at your favourite Times journalists articles about the case and see if he actually got anything right.

If you want instances of JK being a liar just read his book about Meredith.

 

[Vixen]

It has long been the policy of the PGP to accuse people of huge sums of money being given or spent. The PR campaign was said to be a multi million dollar effort and Hellmann, C&V as well M&B MUST have paid millions. The press paid for a private jet to whisk Amanda to the land of the free but in fact she flew commercial.

When do you expect the charges to be filed against the judges that acquitted the kids?

Actually it was Raff himself who brought up the issue of Aviello being offered €100K by Bongiorno for his sex change op. And guess what? He botched his testimony, accordingly, and he is now called Lucy.

Bongiorno said she would sue for the "libel". Somehow she never got round to it.

Kokomani similarly claimed to have been offered €100K by the defense to sabotage his testimony which, strangely, he did.

Can't see either Aviello or Kokomani being sued for accusing the defense of witness tampering, bribery and perverting the course of justice, which could have led the defense attorneys being hauled before the Bar Standards.

 

[Vixen]

Surely, yes jest? The Knox's, Sollecito's and Edda and Chris Mellas have been far more polite, gracious and dignified than the Kercher family. They have never said anything bad about the Kerchers. In contrast Kercher wrote a book where he lied repeatedly about Amanda Knox. They said they would respect the Italian court's decision but have done nothing of the sort.

What??? It has been alleged more than several times that a certain person is behind the disgusting online harassment of Mez supporters. Dignified? His army of foot soldiers sending tweets of vaseline jars, for example, to the Kercher family personally?

Attacking the victim's family plumbs the depths of human decency.

 

[acbytesla]

Actually it was Raff himself who brought up the issue of Aviello being offered €100K by Bongiorno for his sex change op. And guess what? He botched his testimony, accordingly and he is now called Lucy.

Bongiorno said she would sue for the "libel". Somehow she never got round to it.

Kokomani similarly claimed to have been offered €100K by the defense to sabotage his testimony which, strangely, he did.

Can't see either Aviello or Kokomani being sued for accusing the defense of witness tampering, bribery and perverting the course of justice, which could have led the defense attorneys being hauled before the Bar Standards.

Sure....more lies. Why don't you just stop?

 

[Grinder]

Actually it was Raff himself who brought up the issue of Aviello being offered €100K by Bongiorno for his sex change op. And guess what? He botched his testimony, accordingly, and he is now called Lucy.

Bongiorno said she would sue for the "libel". Somehow she never got round to it.

Kokomani similarly claimed to have been offered €100K by the defense to sabotage his testimony which, strangely, he did.

Can't see either Aviello or Kokomani being sued for accusing the defense of witness tampering, bribery and perverting the course of justice, which could have led the defense attorneys being hauled before the Bar Standards.

Methinks you should check your tea for contaminants. Suing empty pockets isn't very profitable and besides they're both nuts. Any evidence of money transfer?

 

[Vixen]

Compare what.

One side were fighting the wrongful prosecution of their children, and as far as I can tell acted with unbelievable dignity, considering the circumstances.

The other side were being led astray by dodgy lawyers and prosecutors.

I wonder whose idea it was for the Kercher family to release their comments just before every verdict or sentencing was due?

Who's father released a book that was supposed to be about his daughters life, but instead filled it with known lies about her accused attackers?

Of course they did. Amanda's sisters posing outside the cottage in shorts and vest like it's a tourist attraction, the disrespectful behaviour in court of wearing shorts and fooling around taking selfies? Edda colluding in her daughter's behaviour? Curt bellowing at people in the court?

 

[Vixen]

Methinks you should check your tea for contaminants. Suing empty pockets isn't very profitable and besides they're both nuts. Any evidence of money transfer?

Er, the sex-change operation for the penniless criminal?

 

[Grinder]

What??? It has been alleged more than several times that Chris Mellas is behind the disgusting online harassment of Mez supporters. Dignified? His army of foot soldiers sending tweets of vaseline jars, for example, to the Kercher family personally?

Attacking the victim's family plumbs the depths of human decency.

It has been alleged that John Kercher is HarryRag/TheMachine.

I condemn anyone for sending any missive to the Kerchers in a hurtful manner.

 

[acbytesla]

What??? It has been alleged more than several times that Chris Mellas is behind the disgusting online harassment of Mez supporters. Dignified? His army of foot soldiers sending tweets of vaseline jars, for example, to the Kercher family personally?

Attacking the victim's family plumbs the depths of human decency.

"alleged" That morons make up lies should hardly be surprising.
You do a lot of that. Making up unsupported allegations is in fact, your stock and trade. Virtually a day does not go by where you dont post falsehoods and we go about proving they were demonstrably untrue.

 

[Grinder]

Er, the sex-change operation for the penniless criminal?

Er that isn't evidence of a monetary exchange from the kids or their supporters or family. Just as Hellmann allegedly buying some used car is proof he was paid off. Btw, were the majority of judges in the Hellmann appeal also paid off?

As I understand it after the first verdict many people say Massei upgraded his wine selection when dining with Mignini and Maresca.

 

[Bill Williams]

Of course they did. Amanda's sisters posing outside the cottage in shorts and vest like it's a tourist attraction, the disrespectful behaviour in court of wearing shorts and fooling around taking selfies? Edda colluding in her daughter's behaviour? Curt bellowing at people in the court?

Fresh from dressing down people for their attitudes towards the victim's family, Vixen tears into people not connected to the case at all. Imagine. Wearing shorts.

Seriously, though, the cultural differences of people have always been used to vilify others unduly.

Then again, Vixen is ignoring like the plague that she said that Bruno/Marasca never used the word "annulment" in their MR.

When the relevant sections are posted for her.....

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