Hillary Clinton is Done

[Trakar]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/27/1492297/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Flip-Timeline

Someone made a timeline a Hillary changing opinion on issues. Don't have the time to look closely at the moment so I'll put it here to look at later.

Sorry, just a little screen clip of part of that timeline so that we can (a little) better see what is being talked about:

 

[TheL8Elvis]

And upon that doubt, you and other HRC supporters risk not just the White House but the Supreme Court, the Senate and an eventual retaking of the House before the 2020 census.
For what, to put a person nearly 70% of the nation doesn't trust or like in place as the democratic nominee?

Risk ... meh.

How about those supporters just suck it up and go vote the party ticket in the general.

 

[Belz...]

You know that you're making my argument for me, right?

All you've done in this thread is scoff at people asking you to support your claim. That shows that you don't have any sort of argument to make.

 

[wareyin]

Risk ... meh.

How about those supporters just suck it up and go vote the party ticket in the general.

Some would rather cut off their nose and elect President Trump than "settle" for someone slightly less ideologically pure than their favorite candidate.

 

[The Big Dog]

‘Honest Hillary’ Parody Persona Gaining Momentum On Twitter

A Gallup poll released Tuesday found that the most common reactions of people polled about Mrs. Clinton were “dishonest,” “liar,” “don’t trust her,” and “poor character.” Eight years ago, when Americans were polled by Gallup while she was running for POTUS against Obama the common reaction was also that she was dishonest, according to an article in the New York Daily News.

The parody character known as Honest Hillary has a popular Twitter account with a blurb that admits it is not the Twitter account of the real Hillary Clinton.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2831381/ho...llary-falls-off-trending/#WBEBxJ50dv5W0GSc.99

By the way, that quote at the bottom taking an unwarranted pot shot at Bernie Sanders?

Blue Nation Review. Recently purchased by David Brock, who terminated all the existing staff. Brock runs several Super PACs that support the 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton. Peter Daou, the new CEO of True Blue Media, had previously served as a digital media strategist for Clinton's 2008 campaign.

Gee, Hillary Clinton's propaganda outfit runs like clockwork, doesn't it?

 

[The Big Dog]

You know that you're making my argument for me, right?

All you've done in this thread is scoff at people asking you to support your claim. That shows that you don't have any sort of argument to make.

You are making an argument? I'll be damned, it seems to me like just jaq'ing off.

Now what are you complaining about? That I linked to a detailed article that lays out facts supporting the position that I have previously stated in this thread? And.... that is a bad thing or something?

'k.

 

[Trakar]

Some would rather cut off their nose and elect President Trump than "settle" for someone slightly less ideologically pure than their favorite candidate.

Trump and Hillary are roughly ideologically equivalent, I won't vote for anyone of that perspective. regardless of which party they claim to support. A vote for Hillary in the primary is a vote for Trump in the general.

There are vast gulfs between Hillary's conservative-lite faux progressive panderings and Sanders actual progressive agenda, to all except those who choose to be blind to the facts.

 

[Trakar]

Risk ... meh.

How about those supporters just suck it up and go vote the party ticket in the general.

Why should anyone vote for people they disagree with and would not support as representatives of their public policy preferences?

 

[wareyin]

Trump and Hillary are roughly ideologically equivalent, I won't vote for anyone of that perspective. regardless of which party they claim to support. A vote for Hillary in the primary is a vote for Trump in the general.

There are vast gulfs between Hillary's conservative-lite faux progressive panderings and Sanders actual progressive agenda, to all except those who choose to be blind to the facts.

Speaking of blind to the facts, a statement such as the highlighted makes one wonder if it was typed in Braille.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Right, she referred to gang members who were inner city black youth with outrageous and dehumanising terms. She was whipping up the fervor against the "new" menace facing society. You are the one imagining the term "all" in this discussion

That's your interpretation. Let's see she actually said:-

"We also have to have an organized effort against gangs, just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on, they are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids who are called superpredators. No conscience. No empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way but first we have to bring them to heel." - Hillary Clinton​

Silly Hillary. That's no way to deal with the problem. These weren't out of control criminals that needed to be brought to heel, they were just poor misunderstood kids! All they needed was a little love...

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Wow, I actually hit the link to my post and figured that you had simply linked the wrong post. It took me a couple seconds to realize that you had edited the living **** out of my actual post.

That was Hillary level sleazy.

Your full post, in all its glory:-

I was under the impression that the subject of the thread was "black lives matter." Do I understand that black lives ended by blacks don't matter?

Pointing out that the movement is spectacularly hypocritical ain't exactly a glowing endorsement.

Oh yeah I see it now - totally different meaning when quoted in context!

 

[The Big Dog]

Your full post, in all its glory:-

Oh yeah I see it now - totally different meaning when quoted in context!

Obviously, otherwise you would have properly quoted it in the first place.

I'm stunned that you are actually trying to justify Hillary's completely discredited pseudoscience super predator nonsense.

Not only discredited but also racist as all hell.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

That's your interpretation. Let's see she actually said:-

"We also have to have an organized effort against gangs, just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on, they are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids who are called superpredators. No conscience. No empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way but first we have to bring them to heel." - Hillary Clinton​

Silly Hillary. That's no way to deal with the problem. These weren't out of control criminals that needed to be brought to heel, they were just poor misunderstood kids! All they needed was a little love...

I can bold and colour other sentences too. Yours do not contradict my interpretation, and neither does your strawman.

 

[wareyin]

Your full post, in all its glory:-

Oh yeah I see it now - totally different meaning when quoted in context!

You don't seem to realize that if a Democrat says it (or it can be quote-mined out of a speech by a Democrat), it's racist. When a Republican says it, no quote-mine needed, it's those evil racist Democrats who are the racists for bringing up race.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Treating any human being as an animal to be trained to obey commands ("brought to heel"), is intolerable and unconscionable. That this is being said about a subgroup of any particular race different from your own is racist in that it implies that the only way to deal with humans we don't like is to treat them like animals and discipline them until they learn to behave in ways that are demanded.

Except that isn't what the term means and you know that as well as I do. The idiom means to be forced to obey, or brought under control, it doesn't mean anything about being treated as an animal to do that, anymore than telling someone that they have the devil to pay means you are going to hang them over the side of an old fashion sailing dip with a bucket of pitch.

And quite frankly the suggestion that you seem to be making, that forcing law breakers and violent criminals to obey the law is racist if they are a different race to you, is kind of repugnant.

 

[PhantomWolf]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/27/1492297/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Flip-Timeline

Someone made a timeline a Hillary changing opinion on issues. Don't have the time to look closely at the moment so I'll put it here to look at later.

I never quite get this one. If a politician changes their mind on an issue when they have been convinced by the public that they should, they are a flip flopper only changing because of public pressure or because they don't want to lose votes, but if a politician never changes their minds on an issue despite the evidence and public opinion, then they are bloody minded, close minded, who refuse to listen to their electorates and the do the will of the people.

Seems that you're doomed either way

So what do you really want, a Politician that can be convinced by argument that they are wrong and should switch positions when shown that the evidence is against them, or one that steadfastly refuses to accept any amount of evidence presented and will never change their minds from their initial stance?

 

[Trakar]

Except that isn't what the term means and you know that as well as I do...

Intentionally, or ignorantly, you are at the least mistaken.

 

[Garrison]

Trump and Hillary are roughly ideologically equivalent, I won't vote for anyone of that perspective.

Are Sanders supporters really this blind? Trump will let the wackjob faction in the Republican party fulfil its fantasies, starting with the repeal of the ACA and working upwards from there. Trump will be a disaster in international diplomacy on a epic scale.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Intentionally, or ignorantly, you are at the least mistaken.

You mean you don't know the meaning of the idiom?

Okay let me help you then....

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/bring+to+heel

Now let's take their examples...

She tried to bring her husband to heel, but he had a mind of his own.

He was brought to heel by his demanding wife.

Western politicians opposed the president's effort to bring the Supreme Court to heel.

He decided that threatening to sue the publishers was the easiest way of bringing them to heel.

The prisoners were quickly brought to heel.

Can you point to which of the above examples indicates the training of people to follow commands like an animal?

 

[Belz...]

You are making an argument? I'll be damned, it seems to me like just jaq'ing off.

You are still avoiding the question.

That I linked to a detailed article that lays out facts supporting the position that I have previously stated in this thread?

You did no such thing, and that wasn't what I asked.

Man up. If you don't, you can't complain that no one takes your claim seriously.