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16.5 said:
wait, you read my earlier posts concerning the update that totally destroyed that stupid article and then went ahead and cited the *********** stupid article anyway?

I'll be damned....
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Again. It is only in your mind that such a thing happened.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Again. It is only in your mind that such a thing happened.
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well, I pointed out the Update to the stupid article at 8:38 local, and you cited the stupid article at 9:23 local.

Oh wait, man, I get it! Time is like "in your mind" and it is all "relative" whoa! Trippy!

protip: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

Catch up on your Monty Python.
 
16.5 said:
No he was not, and no he didn't. You didn't read the correction either?

Several judges ruled in favor of the nazis, does that make them nazis?

Of course not.
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"...Humanity has been around for at least some 5,000 years or so..."
prepared text, Stone Ridge High School Commencement speech, June 2015
 
sunmaster14 said:
There are actually some pretty damn racist tweets in there. One tweet imagines Clarence Thomas's reaction to Scalia's death as being similar to the scene from Django Unchained where the house slave Stephen (Samuel L. Jackson) mourns the death of his master Calvin Candie (Leonard DiCaprio).

For the record, Clarence Thomas has been quite independent of Scalia. He has been far more intellectually consistent and honest. Scalia was more entertaining with his ascerbic wit, but Thomas is, in my opinion, the best justice by far. I doubt that virtually any of Thomas's detractors have even read any of his opinions, let alone understood them.
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Maybe. I admit I have not read any of Thomas's reports or questions, but I am only doing this for the purpose of comedy.
 
Despite the dramatics we're seeing from at least one (I suppose) Scalia fan, there is evidence that Antonin Scalia was a creationist; Barbara J. King, an anthropology professor at the College of William and Mary, writing on the NPR website, thought so.

First the comment Scalia made (and never explained) at his granddaughter's high school commencement:
Class of 2015, you should not leave Stone Ridge High School thinking that you face challenges that are at all, in any important sense, unprecedented," he said. "Humanity has been around for at least some 5,000 years or so. NPR link
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They also saw the problem with Scalia's dissent in the Edwards v. Aguillard case. Scalia wrote:
"The people of Louisiana, including those who are Christian fundamentalists, are quite entitled, as a secular matter, to have whatever scientific evidence there may be against evolution presented in their schools...Perhaps what the Louisiana Legislature has done is unconstitutional because there is no such evidence, and the scheme they have established will amount to no more than a presentation of the Book of Genesis. But we cannot say that on the evidence before us in this summary judgment context, which includes ample uncontradicted testimony that "creation science" is a body of scientific knowledge rather than revealed belief.
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This is where many people have questioned Scalia's reasoning. As Professor King said, creation science is not science and the fact is, the battle between teaching public school kids evolution versus creation is becoming fiercer. Did the Creationists have a friend in Antonin Scalia? It kind of sounds like they did.

This was written before Scalia's death, but King mentioned one of the staunchest proponents of giving "creation science" equal time is...Senator Ted Cruz. The same Ted Cruz who has all but sworn that President Obama will never get to name the successor to Antonin Scalia.

We're becoming the new Iran! :(
 
newyorkguy said:
Despite the dramatics we're seeing from at least one (I suppose) Scalia fan, there is evidence that Antonin Scalia was a creationist; Barbara J. King, an anthropology professor at the College of William and Mary, writing on the NPR website, thought so.

First the comment Scalia made (and never explained) at his granddaughter's high school commencement:


They also saw the problem with Scalia's dissent in the Edwards v. Aguillard case. Scalia wrote:


This is where many people have questioned Scalia's reasoning. As Professor King said, creation science is not science and the fact is, the battle between teaching public school kids evolution versus creation is becoming fiercer. Did the Creationists have a friend in Antonin Scalia? It kind of sounds like they did.

This was written before Scalia's death, but King mentioned one of the staunchest proponents of giving "creation science" equal time is...Senator Ted Cruz. The same Ted Cruz who has all but sworn that President Obama will never get to name the successor to Antonin Scalia.

We're becoming the new Iran! :(
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LOLZ! That NPR article is basically copying the discredited Patheous article.

By the way, the 5000 year old universe stuff is from the Protestant Reformation, and the likelihood that staunch Catholic Scalia adopted that stuff as the basis for his belief is nuts
 
Way to dismiss any, and all evidence that Scalia was a Creationist. That's ok, 16.5, most people understand that he was. Like a Creationist, you can continue to believe what's not real.
 
newyorkguy said:
Despite the dramatics we're seeing from at least one (I suppose) Scalia fan, there is evidence that Antonin Scalia was a creationist; Barbara J. King, an anthropology professor at the College of William and Mary, writing on the NPR website, thought so.

First the comment Scalia made (and never explained) at his granddaughter's high school commencement:


They also saw the problem with Scalia's dissent in the Edwards v. Aguillard case. Scalia wrote:


This is where many people have questioned Scalia's reasoning. As Professor King said, creation science is not science and the fact is, the battle between teaching public school kids evolution versus creation is becoming fiercer. Did the Creationists have a friend in Antonin Scalia? It kind of sounds like they did.

This was written before Scalia's death, but King mentioned one of the staunchest proponents of giving "creation science" equal time is...Senator Ted Cruz. The same Ted Cruz who has all but sworn that President Obama will never get to name the successor to Antonin Scalia.

We're becoming the new Iran! :(
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LOL. Scalia believed that there is such a thing as "creation science" but he wasn't actually a creationist. Yeah, sure. And Obama is going to resign, have Biden nominate him to replace Scalia, and he will be easily confirmed.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
The voters had their "chance" to "weigh in" on any potential circumstances that might occur during this current four year term when they went to the polls in 2012. They can now once again voice their preference with regard to the upcoming term come November of this year.
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Yeah. McConnell should be ashamed of himself. As you said, the people who elected Obama did so with the expectation that he would and should handle anything requiring his attention that might arise during his term.

Additionally, by proposing that the people who vote for the next President (hoping him to be a Republican) should have a voice in the selection, he's implying that the people who voted for the current President should not have a voice in the selection.
 
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16.5 said:
wait, you read my earlier posts concerning the update that totally destroyed that stupid article and then went ahead and cited the *********** stupid article anyway?

I'll be damned....
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Let's make our arguments clear, m'kay? You're cherry-picking the dissenting opinion only, right? You're better-read and educated than to not know that Antonin Scalia was a creationist and fundie in his own right. In fact, in his questioning during the Supremes' hearing of the case, he made better* arguments for Louisiana in that case than the attorneys did, in fact. I guess that's how they swung the second vote.
*better arguments by ISF standards, e.g. more clever, not more factual
 
Regnad Kcin said:
The voters had their "chance" to "weigh in" on any potential circumstances that might occur during this current four year term when they went to the polls in 2012. They can now once again voice their preference with regard to the upcoming term come November of this year.
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And they had their chance to weigh in on the composition of the Senate in 2010, 2012, and 2014. It's a Mexican standoff I guess, and if Trump is elected, he'll make the Mexicans pay for it.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Let's make our arguments clear, m'kay? You're cherry-picking the dissenting opinion only, right? You're better-read and educated than to not know that Antonin Scalia was a creationist and fundie in his own right. In fact, in his questioning during the Supremes' hearing of the case, he made better* arguments for Louisiana in that case than the attorneys did, in fact. I guess that's how they swung the second vote.
*better arguments by ISF standards, e.g. more clever, not more factual
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He did? He didn't mention that in his dissent (which he wrote, lol), so I assume that your next post will be proof of the "better arguments." Or is that cherry picking?
 
Tony Stark said:
Far more than your complete and total lack of evidence to back your claim that he wasn't a creationist.
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And the trap is set:

Before summarizing the testimony of Senator Keith and his supporters, I wish to make clear that I by no means intend to endorse its accuracy. But my views (and the views of this Court) about creation science and evolution are (or should be) beside the point. Our task is not to judge the debate about teaching the origins of life, but to ascertain what the members of the Louisiana Legislature believed. The vast majority of them voted to approve a bill which explicitly stated a secular purpose; what is crucial is not their wisdom in believing that purpose would be achieved by the bill, but their sincerity in believing it would be.
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actual quote from his dissent in Aquilar which I linked earlier

Does no one read anything anymore?
 
thaiboxerken said:
What the Republicans want is Obama to stop being President, and stop right now. That's all there is to it. They don't want him to do anything, ever. Of course, they had this sentiment back when he was first elected. The best thing Obama can do is to ignore the Republicans, because their opinions don't matter.
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Yes, and I think he's smart enough to know there are some blue state Republicans in the Senate who are up for re-election this year. That's the benefit of a competent POTUS when you have a bratty bunch in the Senate.
 
Slowvehicle said:
"...Humanity has been around for at least some 5,000 years or so..."
prepared text, Stone Ridge High School Commencement speech, June 2015
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That is consistent with the truth (note the "at least" qualifier), appropriately respectful of his hosts (a Catholic school which presumably teaches Catholic doctrine), and justifiable as lower bound on the age of human civilization.
 
16.5 said:
And the trap is set:



actual quote from his dissent in Aquilar which I linked earlier

Does no one read anything anymore?
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And the evidence to support your claim that he was not a creationist remains nonexistent.
 
sunmaster14 said:
And they had their chance to weigh in on the composition of the Senate in 2010, 2012, and 2014. It's a Mexican standoff I guess, and if Trump is elected, he'll make the Mexicans pay for it.
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No, your mistake is in thinking the Senate fairly represents the population. That's another thing that needs to change along with the gerrymandering.

So gerrymandering ensures we don't get a representative House and two Senators per state regardless of population assures we don't have representation in the Senate.
 
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