Hillary Clinton is Done

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Wait, the claim that pundits think Sanders needs to win Iowa is not supported by posting quotes of pundits saying Sanders needs to win Iowa? How does this work?

In your post, which I responded to, you said:

Clinton's prospects just keep improving according to Silver. Now she's up to 72%-85% chance of winning. This is terrible news for Sanders, as some pundits seem to think.
"Mr. Sanders almost certainly needs a victory in Iowa for his candidacy to remain viable."

Clinton is doing pretty well for someone who was supposed to have been done 9 months ago!

I am responding to your remarks, not the title of your supporting reference. I don't know that Sanders must win either of the first two states to remain viable, but the point is moot currently as Sanders maintains significant (beyond MoE) leads in both states according to latest polling, and my impression is that these polls underestimate his actual support within both of those states.

IOWA
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/iowa-poll-full-results-cnn-orc/index.html +8 Sanders

NH
http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/1_22_2016_marginals.pdf +9 Sanders
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/new-hampshire-poll-democrats-full-results/index.html +27 Sanders
 
Around the same time, another poll shows Clinton +29 in Iowa. At the very least, these two polls tell us to be wary of polls.

By no means am I touting one poll over the other. I'm more or less clueless as to where things stand.

The two polls which deviate from the other polls on average by 30% are obviously flawed. They should be ignored, and when you do that the average becomes a statistical dead heat.
 
In your post, which I responded to, you said:



I am responding to your remarks, not the title of your supporting reference. I don't know that Sanders must win either of the first two states to remain viable, but the point is moot currently as Sanders maintains significant (beyond MoE) leads in both states according to latest polling, and my impression is that these polls underestimate his actual support within both of those states.

IOWA
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/iowa-poll-full-results-cnn-orc/index.html +8 Sanders

NH
http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/1_22_2016_marginals.pdf +9 Sanders
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/new-hampshire-poll-democrats-full-results/index.html +27 Sanders

That was a quote from within the reference, not the title. Further, I do not share your idea that Sanders has support not showing in the polls, nor that Sanders is leading in current polls. 25% chance of winning based on polls compared to 75% chance of Clinton winning is not a Sanders lead.
 
Around the same time, another poll shows Clinton +29 in Iowa. At the very least, these two polls tell us to be wary of polls.

By no means am I touting one poll over the other. I'm more or less clueless as to where things stand.
Consider the media and Sanders campaign framing vs reality.

Sanders ignores the fact he has a limited demographic of supporters, notes he's getting more and more support and predicts he's the next Obama. He also predicts Clinton is in big trouble.

The news media can't help themselves comparing Sanders to Obama based on a few variables like Iowa and New Hampshire poll results while ignoring the fact Obama had an appeal to a wide demographic and was a more eloquent campaigner than Sanders who keeps yelling about the evil rich individuals, bankers and corporations.

Not saying Sanders' cause isn't valid, it is. That's why he has the following he does. But it is a more narrow appeal than his supporters would like to believe.

Now, what about the narrative Clinton is in trouble? If instead of looking at the media hype where a small lead in Iowa is reported as a tie and a small lead in New Hampshire is reported as a Sanders' lead, and instead of looking at the headlines of a poll with a big Sanders' lead in Iowa as if it were a given and a clear trend, when there was, as you said, a poll taken at the same time which showed Clinton with a big lead in Iowa, you look at other factors.

Clinton endorsements are increasing. Of course even there you have to judge the validity of the framing.

Common Dreams frames it the way Sanders would like to see it.
Bernie Sanders Gets Group Endorsements When Members Decide; Hillary Clinton When Leaders Decide

That's bull. Are they claiming the unions endorsing Sanders took a vote and Every group endorsing Clinton was an executive decision? The chart in the article begs to differ.

The group endorsements of Sanders include MoveOn, Democracy for America, and Working Families Vote took online polls. All the rest including the union endorsements were by executive decisions.

One union endorsing Sanders, Communication Workers of America, collected member input into the decision. But so did 5 of the groups endorsing Clinton.

So unless an online member poll is more representative of membership than member polling and collecting member opinions, the framing of the article title is false. The data in the article completely refutes the article!

Compare the chart to the report:
For example, Clinton got an endorsement from the Human Rights Campaign this week. That decision was made not by a vote of HRC’s membership list but instead by a 32-member executive board that includes Mike Berman, the president of a lobbying firm that works for Pfizer, Comcast, and the health insurance lobby. Northrup Grumman is among its list of major corporate sponsors.

The Sanders campaign blasted the group as “establishment” and said that Sanders has a much stronger record on LGBT equality than Clinton. Outspoken gay activist Michaelangelo Signorile wrote that HRC had clearly traded its early endorsement for “access to the White House” for its leaders.

Common Dreams is reporting on the original article in The Intercept which says the same thing but is longer. The longer article includes even more dubious information such as a single NEA member's unsupported claim:
“For either candidate to get real grassroots support from NEA members, an endorsement ought to be the result of an extended dialogue with members,” said Anthony Cody, an education blogger who was a member of the National Education Association for two decades. “Hillary Clinton has engaged in a few phone calls with NEA leaders, but the membership has been left out. “

The chart describes the NEA decision to back Clinton as an "Executive board and PAC council vote". The data in the chart cites this link:

Behind the Scenes of NEA's Endorsement: Which Affiliates Backed Clinton? It elaborates on the disgruntled [my framing] Anthony Cody.
Hillary Clinton spoke to the NEA Board of Directors before it voted.
So?

The union's PAC Council took a roll-call vote. Remember how I said this was unlikely? I was wrong. Usually, the union's endorsements are pretty pro-forma.This time, apparently, there was sufficient disagreement that someone demanded a roll-call vote. Kudos to Mike Antonucci, who posted the results on his blog. As he notes, the PAC Council approval came by a margin of 85 percent of votes cast, but there were a significant number of abstentions—more than 1,100 or 41 percent of available votes! Note also that certain states gain power because of the council's weighted voting structure. The Delaware affiliate has only 4 percent of the membership of NEA's largest affiliate, California, but it has 32 percent of California's PAC Council votes. That's because it raises a lot of cash per head for the NEA's PAC.
85% is a huge margin. The paragraph goes on to note there were 41% abstentions. So were they actual conscious abstentions or just 41% that didn't vote?

A gripe is made about weighted votes. Well, they represent more contributions to the PAC! Gee, so they get more votes as to what the PAC should do with the funds.

There is a chart with actual PAC council votes and the totals are 118 to endorse Clinton, 40 no votes, 8 abstentions and 4 absents.

That sounds like a strong Clinton endorsement to me with enough dissenters it's no surprise some are expressing their discontent.


To make this long rant short, look at the facts beneath the framing and Clinton has a surprisingly strong base of support you might not see from the news media and other framed reports.
 
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That was a quote from within the reference, not the title. Further, I do not share your idea that Sanders has support not showing in the polls, nor that Sanders is leading in current polls. 25% chance of winning based on polls compared to 75% chance of Clinton winning is not a Sanders lead.

You are, of course, free to believe as you wish. As to how the elections and popular support resolve, that is something that we will know much better in the next couple of weeks, regardless of individual beliefs.
 
Caucus goers in Iowa are people who pay attention to politics. The more one pays attention to Hillary, the more one realizes she's a phony lying Wall Street shill who blew the only tough call of her Senate career (Iraq vote).

Bernie, on the other hand, comes across as an authentic person who genuinely cares about people, and made the right call on Iraq.

Therefore, Bernie will win Iowa.
 
Caucus goers in Iowa are people who pay attention to politics. The more one pays attention to Hillary, the more one realizes she's a phony lying Wall Street shill who blew the only tough call of her Senate career (Iraq vote).

Bernie, on the other hand, comes across as an authentic person who genuinely cares about people, and made the right call on Iraq.

Therefore, Bernie will win Iowa.
Or, your perception is not that of the majority of Iowa voters and you just can't see that because of your HDS disability.
 
The Democrats are in lockstep over illegal immigration, even though their current policy position hurts their base the most (by allowing more competition for unskilled labor).

What jobs are you thinking of when you use the term "unskilled labor"?
 
Difference in methodologies. That one is a huge outlier.

Right, the one with a larger sampling than the positive Sanders poll and a smaller margin of error.

By your same token, the one with Sanders ahead is the outlier, now isn't it?
 
One reason for Hillary's resistance to single-payer or public option plans may be that she's taken millions of dollars from the health care industry as it is:
https://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/hi...eating_about_bernie_sanders_and_single_payer/
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/

And not everyone sees her as a foreign policy wizard:
https://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/th...foreign_policy_disastrous_experience_partner/

Who said Clinton was opposed to the public option?

And you can look for corruption but what Clinton actually said was Sanders' plan is unobtainable. And she's right.
 
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