What It's Like To Own Guns...

Gawdzilla Sama said:
Just an observation. People tell me guns can be kept in the home if they are properly secured and a responsible gun owner would do so. Irresponsibility is not surprising, however, as people are only human. To the greater extent, that is.
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I'm sure a large part of that is that a properly-secured gun - under NZ laws - is no use in a home invasion situation. Farmers here almost never lock up their guns.

Under NZ gun laws, guns & ammunition must be locked in separate safe storage, so you can't grab them in a crisis. It is even recommended bolt & magazine be stored somewhere else again.

Carrying them other than to, from and at hunting/target etc is strictly forbidden.

Do those laws work?
 
The Atheist said:
Do those laws work?
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I'm sure Kiwiland is chock full of gun owners aching to murder, rob, or rape someone with a gun but don't want to break the gun laws to do so. Such a brilliant crime-fighting tool!
 
WildCat said:
I'm sure Kiwiland is chock full of gun owners aching to murder, rob, or rape someone with a gun but don't want to break the gun laws to do so. Such a brilliant crime-fighting tool!
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Lovely deliberate naivety. Part of the gun laws is that we're pretty careful to make sure the ones who want to murder, rob and rape don't have guns.

How does that work out in USA?
 
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that NZ has both a very high gun ownership rate, and very low gun crime rate.

Lends credence to the idea that Americans are just more violent than everyone else, doesn't it?
 
arthwollipot said:
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that NZ has both a very high gun ownership rate, and very low gun crime rate.

Lends credence to the idea that Americans are just more violent than everyone else, doesn't it?
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Which Americans?
 
arthwollipot said:
Lends credence to the idea that Americans are just more violent than everyone else, doesn't it?
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No. Americans are not more violent they just have unrestricted access to tools which have the ability tokill extremely efficiently. Other countries recognize that there is a danger with these tools and restrict accesss to responsible people for legitimate reasons.

"I hate Obama!" is not one of them.
 
arthwollipot said:
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that NZ has both a very high gun ownership rate, and very low gun crime rate.
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Ranking 22nd for gun ownership, it's definitely at the higher end of the spectrum, but I wouldn't say "very high" in light of an overall ownership rate of 22%.

However, the stats on the other side, ranking 49th for gun murders - just behind the well-known gangland capital in Luxembourg, it stands out a bit.

arthwollipot said:
Lends credence to the idea that Americans are just more violent than everyone else, doesn't it?
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A country built on the genocide of the original inhabitants?

A country which has started more wars by an order of magnitude than any other country since 1945?

A country which is so insanely in love with guns that they can be openly carried a la John Wayne in mental hospitals and any public place? (In Texas)

I'm not going to argue against the concept.
 
Information Analyst said:
From this distance it seems that the extremes of both sides talk varying degrees of crap (some of which we get in microcosm here, even though it's sucha fringe issue).
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And both sides tend to consider anyone who isn't extreme to be on the other end of the spectrum. The moderates are quickly run out of the debate by personal attacks. In most cases anyway. ;)
 
The Atheist said:
I'm sure a large part of that is that a properly-secured gun - under NZ laws - is no use in a home invasion situation. Farmers here almost never lock up their guns.

Under NZ gun laws, guns & ammunition must be locked in separate safe storage, so you can't grab them in a crisis. It is even recommended bolt & magazine be stored somewhere else again.

Carrying them other than to, from and at hunting/target etc is strictly forbidden.

Do those laws work?
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It would be more pertinent to ask whether New Zealand suffers unduly from home invasions in the first place. The UK certainly doesn't, despite a similarly restrictive firearms regime (pluis the fact that burglars rarely have guns themselves).
 
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WildCat said:
Damn that Constitution, protecting the rights of the individual!

Perhaps you should work to enact a Constitution that favors the rights of society over that of the individual, it work so well in such progressive utopias as China and North Korea.
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Because the only two choices available are ubiquitous gun ownership or crushingly disastrous central command economies run by brutal regimes.
 
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