States refusing to accept Syrian refugees

[ThunderChunky]

To compare like with like I suggest that the number of Syrian refugees planned by New Zealand should be compared to number of Syrian refugees planned by the U.S. on a per-capita basis and that the total number refugees planned by New Zealand should be compared to the total number of refugees planned by the U.S. on a per capita basis.

The U.S. population is around 100 times that of the New Zealand population. To have an equivalent number of Syrian refugees, the U.S. would have to take in around 75,000.

For the last 3 years, New Zealand has been accepting around 750 refugees a year which again would translate to around 75,000 a year for the U.S.

Looking at these numbers it seems that the United States accepts proportionally more refugees than New Zealand but was planning to take fewer Syrian refugees.

US population is 71 times the size of new zealand (319 million vs 4.47 million). The normal intake of total refugees for the united states is 70K compared with 750 for NZ, which is about 33% more proportionally. New Zealand has agreed to take an extra 600 refugees split over 2.5 years because of current crisis, so they are now taking 990 refugees per year an increase of 32%. The United states has increased it's annual refugee number to 100k, an increase of 43%, but only a third of that increase (10K) is specifically allotted to Syrians.

 

[cullennz]

To say the Syrians are unskilled is a bit silly

 

[cullennz]

Bit strange you keep bringing up NZ but all cool.

Not sure what it has to do with the thread title

Knock your socks off

 

[ThunderChunky]

Bit strange you keep bringing up NZ but all cool.

Not sure what it has to do with the thread title

Knock your socks off

Just wanna keep track of which countries are embarrassments and not doing their parts as global members.

 

[Aepervius]

The refugees have to have a network already in place where they attack. These networks just don't exist in the United States, like they do in Europe.

I would not be so sure of that.

 

[cullennz]

Just wanna keep track of which countries are embarrassments and not doing their parts as global members.

All good

How is the refusing to take them going?

TBF. We are a small place. It is pretty easy to monitor them by the community. And cops
It would be a nightmare in your
big cities

 

[ponderingturtle]

I would have thought the US would be one of the safest places to be with all the guns

Well we have to keep them safe from all the white supremacist terrorists in the US, so really we wouldn't be a safe nation for them to be in.

 

[ponderingturtle]

As I have said about four times we probably could have taken more

But we don't have 233,000,000 people

So just weight it by population. 4,471,000/750 vs 318,900,000/10,000.

So the US is taking in 1 refugee for every 31,890 people and new zeeland is taking in one refugee for every 5,961. So weighted to the population it is roughly 6 times as many.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Sure some might. But you would still get a majority Christian group. I don't care if a small percentage is Muslim. What I am against is a mass migration of Muslims that come to Western societies in to great of number where they can integrate. Christian would fit into a largely christian society much quicker then Muslims.

Because Christians never have terrorist campaigns against each other, so long as you ignore the former Yugoslavia, Ireland and so on?

 

[The Don]

Because Christians never have terrorist campaigns against each other, so long as you ignore the former Yugoslavia, Ireland and so on?

Apparently the troubles in Ireland were nothing to do with religion or more specifically cannot be classified as religiously motivated terrorism because the issues which fueled the terrorism were not solely issues of religious doctrine but instead it was an inter-factional dispute where religion just happened to be the key identifier.

Of course Shia/Sunni terrorism and violence in Syria and Iraq is absolutely religiously motivated and has nothing to do with the subjugation of one group by another for decades - apparently

 

[TriangleMan]

While not all of the information is in so far 1 of the attackers appears to be Syrian and the rest that have been identified (4 or 5) are French or Belgian citizens. People and Governments should wait until all the identities are confirmed before getting too worked up about Syrian refugees. There's even questions about whether the Syrian's passport is authentic so it is possible that even that attacker might not be Syrian.

 

[fagin]

Aah but not Real^TM French/Belgians according some some of our esteemed members.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Apparently the troubles in Ireland were nothing to do with religion or more specifically cannot be classified as religiously motivated terrorism because the issues which fueled the terrorism were not solely issues of religious doctrine but instead it was an inter-factional dispute where religion just happened to be the key identifier.

Of course Shia/Sunni terrorism and violence in Syria and Iraq is absolutely religiously motivated and has nothing to do with the subjugation of one group by another for decades - apparently

And the Catholic v Orthodox death camps in Yugoslavia are an ethnic thing not a religious thing.

 

[Caper]

We aren't that paranoid about the .001% who might be extremists

The rest are just people in a horrible situation who happen to be Muslim

Yeah. But Islam is a pretty bad religion as far as religions go. No need to import it.

 

[Caper]

While not all of the information is in so far 1 of the attackers appears to be Syrian and the rest that have been identified (4 or 5) are French or Belgian citizens. People and Governments should wait until all the identities are confirmed before getting too worked up about Syrian refugees. There's even questions about whether the Syrian's passport is authentic so it is possible that even that attacker might not be Syrian.

So what this tells us is that their children could also be terrorists.

 

[icerat]

I notice that you are evading the fact that this is a known pathway by which terrorists enter their target countries.

More terrorists have come in to any country by plane that as refugees, so I assume you believe the skies should be closed to airline passengers?

 

[Belz...]

There are no "Muslims". There are only Muslims and heretical muslims and it has been so for at least 1400 years. Nobody but Allah knows who gets the capital M, and He (it) isn't talking.

Do you get the impression that god is just *********** with us? Like, he's giving people conflicting messages just to spread chaos and misery? After all, he is a total dick.

 

[icerat]

I wish NZ would reject the Syrian refugees too. One survey shows that 13% of Syrian refugees support ISIS.

Worth pointing out that survey was from a year ago, and at that time ISIS was primarily fighting Assad in Syria and not terrorising the local populations quite so much as in the past year.

Even today survey's show Syrians have primarily been fleeing Assad, not ISIS.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.

 

[dudalb]

Of course! All you need is a guaranteed foolproof way of ensuring they are indeed Christians. Because any starving, frightened Muslim refugees fleeing chaos and armed conflict with barely the clothes on their backs are not going to pretend to be Christians to get to safety.

And I am sure that ISIS would carefully coach it's agents on how to pass for Christians.
And I think the likes of Cruz would be shocked on how mideastern Syrian Christians are in dress, customs,etc. I have doubt some of the "Only Christians" idiots expect them to be dress for church in Three Piece suits.....

 

[icerat]

And I am sure that ISIS would carefully coach it's agents on how to pass for Christians.
And I think the likes of Cruz would be shocked on how mideastern Syrian Christians are in dress, customs,etc. I have doubt some of the "Only Christians" idiots expect them to be dress for church in Three Piece suits.....

Not to mention since they speak Arabic, they pray to Allah.