Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

I never knew Amanda was getting high before going to the police station but it must be true.

Must it?

What did she claim?

This was written by a top notch journalist that wouldn't lie and risk her reputation. It was an article that Nina made herself available for and I have not read that she complained about it.

Grinder - I missed the part where you dealt with the question, "Must it?" You went straight into something else, representative of some unknown agenda.

Never mind.

 

[Grinder]

Grinder - I missed the part where you dealt with the question, "Must it?" You went straight into something else, representative of some unknown agenda.

Never mind.

Bill it must be true because a respected journalist wrote it (goose/gander).

The quote as you should know is direct from Nina's book.

Nina in her book says that since Raf smoked all the time it is probable that Amanda was stoned when she arrived at the police station on the 5th. Nina may have been more specific when talking to the NYT reporter for the story about her.

 

[Bill Williams]

Bill it must be true because a respected journalist wrote it (goose/gander).

The quote as you should know is direct from Nina's book.

Nina in her book says that since Raf smoked all the time it is probable that Amanda was stoned when she arrived at the police station on the 5th. Nina may have been more specific when talking to the NYT reporter for the story about her.

It would have been better comedy to say, "You had me at 'never mind'."

 

[acbytesla]

What did she claim?

This was written by a top notch journalist that wouldn't lie and risk her reputation. It was an article that Nina made herself available for and I have not read that she complained about it.

What would be interesting is to look at each of the Kercher murder true crime books and see what each got right and wrong. I think that many of the facts written may just be the same, but they colored their books differently. And Is Follain really lying when he writes what he is told by his sources? Or are just his sources lying?

 

[Bill Williams]

What would be interesting is to look at each of the Kercher murder true crime books and see what each got right and wrong. I think that many of the facts written may just be the same, but they colored their books differently. And Is Follain really lying when he writes what he is told by his sources? Or are just his sources lying?

I'd be hard pressed to call Follain a liar for anything in his book. He's simply a slave to his limited sources - the PLE and the Kervhers and Brit friends of Meredith's.

After Knox's parents got charged with calunnia (defamation?) because of something he wrote, and neither he nor his publisher wete, why would anyone trust him again?

But this only explains the heavy slant of his book. Not lying, but can claim to be only the messanger. His book is an example of the weakness of the true crime format. Everything in it can be said to be 100% true in the sense that he's not lying about what he was told.

 

[acbytesla]

I'd be hard pressed to call Follain a liar for anything in his book. He's simply a slave to his limited sources - the PLE and the Kervhers and Brit friends of Meredith's.

After Knox's parents got charged with calunnia (defamation?) because of something he wrote, and neither he nor his publisher wete, why would anyone trust him again?

But this only explains the heavy slant of his book. Not lying, but can claim to be only the messanger. His book is an example of the weakness of the true crime format. Everything in it can be said to be 100% true in the sense that he's not lying about what he was told.

You can't really count on the characterizations of Amanda, Raffaele, Rudy etc. In any of the books. Did any of them actually interview Amanda? Did any of them come to Seattle and talk with Amanda's friends, relatives, teachers, coworkers? Are you really going to get a picture of what Amanda is like from the people she met in the month that she was in Italy?

They may get the facts of the case, bUT the reliability of how they treat the subjects is always going to be questionable.

 

[Bill Williams]

You can't really count on the characterizations of Amanda, Raffaele, Rudy etc. In any of the books. Did any of them actually interview Amanda? Did any of them come to Seattle and talk with Amanda's friends, relatives, teachers, coworkers? Are you really going to get a picture of what Amanda is like from the people she met in the month that she was in Italy?

They may get the facts of the case, bUT the reliability of how they treat the subjects is always going to be questionable.

Who cares, really, what they are like?

Even true crime books should try to put together a believable narrative of what they either did or didn't do.

 

[acbytesla]

Who cares, really, what they are like?

Even true crime books should try to put together a believable narrative of what they either did or didn't do.

It doesn't matter in regards to their guilt but it does matter. IE: Grinder is pointing out Nina's portrayal of Amanda and that the family didn't care for it. My point is that an author can provide lots of facts but maybe species what is more important is how they are potyrayed.

For example, I just finished reading David McCullough's biography of John Adams. I've read many other accounts about Adams and never really thought as positively about Adams as I have, say Jefferson. Now my opinion is radically different of both men.

It matters.

 

[Bill Williams]

It doesn't matter in regards to their guilt but it does matter. IE: Grinder is pointing out Nina's portrayal of Amanda and that the family didn't care for it. My point is that an author can provide lots of facts but maybe species what is more important is how they are potyrayed.

For example, I just finished reading David McCullough's biography of John Adams. I've read many other accounts about Adams and never really thought as positively about Adams as I have, say Jefferson. Now my opinion is radically different of both men.

It matters.

Most certainly it matters to the family if an author forms a judgement, fair or unfair, about someone's character. Fair enough. My memory of that stuff in Burleigh's book is that it doesn't really matter to me - is immaterial to what is at issue about the case itself.

 

[acbytesla]

Most certainly it matters to the family if an author forms a judgement, fair or unfair, about someone's character. Fair enough. My memory of that stuff in Burleigh's book is that it doesn't really matter to me - is immaterial to what is at issue about the case itself.

I think we agree for the most part. I have no question about the innocence of Amanda. What fascinates me is everything else about this case. How opinions were formed. Why some people can't see the forest for the trees. Group think. Social networking's impact . The media and disinformation. Why it is so difficult to correct the lies. The laws and how they are administrated.

 

[acbytesla]

Raffaele back in Perugia

Google translate of Italian article about a new bookind titled Exhibit 36

Rudy along with his father attended the book release in Perugia.

Meredith murder, Raffaele Sollecito returned to Perugia for the new book by Fiorucci
Sollecito and his father in the front row for the presentation of the new book by Alvaro and Luca Fiorucci
*There was even Raffaele Sollecito in the front row for the presentation of the book 'Exhibit 36' Alvaro and Luca Fiorucci. Sollecito, accompanied by his father Francesco, sitting next to the lawyer of Amanda Knox Luciano Ghirga and not far by prosecutor Giuliano Mignini and Rudy Guede's lawyer Nicodemo Gentile, also took the floor at the time because chiendendo analyzed only his knives and not others.

Presentation At present the new book by the editor of Tgr Umbria Alvaro Fiorucci, this time joined by his son journalist, in charge of crime for the newspaper of Umbria and has followed the case from day one, there was the presenter of the flagship Tg1 Emma D'Aquino. The book 'Exhibit 36', the name by which it was cataloged the knife believed to be the murder weapon, "the novel is not a murder, or a parallel investigation aimed at bringing new light on the facts and their concatenation. Exhibit 36 is the story of a heinous crime, that of the young British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia occurred in the night between 1 and 2 November 2007, rebuilt in the words of the trial papers and different, opposite, readings of judges They took turns in the various levels of courts. After the crime, not only the lives of the protagonists involved in the events is upset, but the entire city of Perugia to discount the faults that are not its exclusive, but are a result of the conditions and the mirror of an entire company.The troubled the judicial process, "Meredith case" - which for eight years has kept suspended waiting for a world audience virtually locked up in court, where it has formed the legal truth - because of the direct and depth with which the authors choose to deal with it, it offers the reader the opportunity to open a debate on the issue of justice in Italy, its administration, its times, its organization; but, equally, it gives him the same questions on the disruptive power that, in today's globally connected society, the mass media can play in influencing the behavior of all. Without exception. "

*http://www.umbria24.it/omicidio-mer...ia-per-il-nuovo-libro-di-fiorucci/374363.html

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[acbytesla]

Raffaele back in Perugia

Google translate of Italian article about a new bookind titled Exhibit 36

Rudy along with his father attended the book release in Perugia.

Meredith murder, Raffaele Sollecito returned to Perugia for the new book by Fiorucci
Sollecito and his father in the front row for the presentation of the new book by Alvaro and Luca Fiorucci
*There was even Raffaele Sollecito in the front row for the presentation of the book 'Exhibit 36' Alvaro and Luca Fiorucci. Sollecito, accompanied by his father Francesco, sitting next to the lawyer of Amanda Knox Luciano Ghirga and not far by prosecutor Giuliano Mignini and Rudy Guede's lawyer Nicodemo Gentile, also took the floor at the time because chiendendo analyzed only his knives and not others.

Presentation At present the new book by the editor of Tgr Umbria Alvaro Fiorucci, this time joined by his son journalist, in charge of crime for the newspaper of Umbria and has followed the case from day one, there was the presenter of the flagship Tg1 Emma D'Aquino. The book 'Exhibit 36', the name by which it was cataloged the knife believed to be the murder weapon, "the novel is not a murder, or a parallel investigation aimed at bringing new light on the facts and their concatenation. Exhibit 36 is the story of a heinous crime, that of the young British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia occurred in the night between 1 and 2 November 2007, rebuilt in the words of the trial papers and different, opposite, readings of judges They took turns in the various levels of courts. After the crime, not only the lives of the protagonists involved in the events is upset, but the entire city of Perugia to discount the faults that are not its exclusive, but are a result of the conditions and the mirror of an entire company.The troubled the judicial process, "Meredith case" - which for eight years has kept suspended waiting for a world audience virtually locked up in court, where it has formed the legal truth - because of the direct and depth with which the authors choose to deal with it, it offers the reader the opportunity to open a debate on the issue of justice in Italy, its administration, its times, its organization; but, equally, it gives him the same questions on the disruptive power that, in today's globally connected society, the mass media can play in influencing the behavior of all. Without exception. "

*http://www.umbria24.it/omicidio-mer...ia-per-il-nuovo-libro-di-fiorucci/374363.html

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[JREF2010]

Rudy shows up... a book deal training session, Migninni too, fantasizing of his book release date.

Maresca befriended the Rudy story maybe he can help explain the evidence away and the Rudy murky water.

One things for sure, the Perugia pack will support Migninni in which ever path he takes.

Stefonani will remain afraid of being the scapegoat, and Edgardo will be playing on his Ouija board to predict more cases.

 

[JREF2010]

The google I used is different translation. Rudy wasnt there, his lawyer was in this translation. It was Raffaele and his father.

>There was even Raffaele Sollecito in the front row for the presentation of the book 'Exhibit 36' Alvaro and Luca Fiorucci. Sollecito, accompanied by his father Francesco, sitting next to the lawyer of Amanda Knox Luciano Ghirga and not far by prosecutor Giuliano Mignini and Rudy Guede's lawyer Nicodemo Gentile, also took the floor at the time because chiendendo analyzed only his knives and not others.>

 

[JREF2010]

Another newer article- Raffaele speaks more

"I have no sympathy for Guede, I saw for the first time in court where prosecutors inexplicably they never wanted to hear. But I think that prison is a school of crime. Does not redeem and does not promote reintegration. If you are not a criminal, it becomes ". Guede has repented? "I doubt it. As it turned out by some witnesses, it was on him several times weighed on suspicion of involvement in incidents of burglary according to the same script: a rock to break the window and then the even climb to get inside. Exactly as it happened to Meredith's house. Prosecutor Mignini instead saw traces of scenarios rituals because the crime had taken place after the night of Halloween and in the bedroom of the victim was a Dracula costume. I learned that the same pm, investigating the discovery of Francesco Narducci, fished out of the lake Trasimeno in 1985, he put aside the idea of ​​suicide to beat the more complex track to satanic murder. He proved to be a mistake. "

http://www.ilfoglio.it/cronache/201...-dopo-la-gogna___1-v-134130-rubriche_c380.htm

 

[Grinder]

I forgot. Did Bruce encourage people to move on to another case or just move the discussion to another forum where there is little to no difference of opinion?

 

[anglolawyer]

I forgot. Did Bruce encourage people to move on to another case or just move the discussion to another forum where there is little to no difference of opinion?

Are you bored, Grinder? There are differences of opinion on the other forum and the floor is open to anyone who wants to express dissent. There are also many other cases under discussion there. Seems to me you are the monomaniac.

 

[Grinder]

Are you bored, Grinder? There are differences of opinion on the other forum and the floor is open to anyone who wants to express dissent. There are also many other cases under discussion there. Seems to me you are the monomaniac.

Dear gawd man, Bruce came here and in no uncertain terms let us know that we should move on as this case is over while hosting a site where he allows the conversation to go on and on and only the most minor differences of opinion with the exception of the character HJ.

Anyone that posts on these threads could be accused of boredom especially if they cruise all over the place posting odd inaccurate statements.

So I was curious if anything was going on regarding the case and lo and behold IIP has a raging love-in going on.

Anyway I thought you said the field was mine.

 

[Bill Williams]

Dear gawd man, Bruce came here and in no uncertain terms let us know that we should move on as this case is over while hosting a site where he allows the conversation to go on and on and only the most minor differences of opinion with the exception of the character HJ.

I know I do everything Bruce tells me. The baby needs new shoes!

 

[christianahannah]

Dear gawd man, Bruce came here and in no uncertain terms let us know that we should move on as this case is over while hosting a site where he allows the conversation to go on and on and only the most minor differences of opinion with the exception of the character HJ.

Anyone that posts on these threads could be accused of boredom especially if they cruise all over the place posting odd inaccurate statements.

So I was curious if anything was going on regarding the case and lo and behold IIP has a raging love-in going on.

Anyway I thought you said the field was mine.

So what is it that still keeps your interest in this case and what more would you like to know or discuss which hasn't already been done?