US Officials Declare Eastern Cougar Extinct

Pterodactyl said:
I am having more of a problem with your story the more you post about it.
I have had lots of people tell me they've seen mountain lions and I don't usually think too much about it because (1) it is actually possible and becoming more common, and (2) it's apparently easy to mistake medium/large tawny animals moving in the distance. But in this case, a couple of your "facts" are presented in completely dishonest fashion such that it makes me doubt the rest of what you say.

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180 miles? That seems really close.
Only, why does it matter how close Atlanta is to where your alleged sighting occurred? Was the Mt. Lion shot in Atlanta? No. it was actually double that distance away, 360 miles or more. A 6 hour drive. Why twist the facts like that? And who calls their own memory a "claim" ?
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Why does it matter? If a cougar can get that far why not Edisto? Excuse me, but the hunter was from Newnan, Georgia, which is part of Atlanta. The cougar was actually shot outside of LaGrange. It's about 240 miles from Newnan to Edisto, less than that if you are coming from the eastern side of Atlanta. Take into consideration that we are talking about driving directions. I don't think a cougar would follow roads, more probably rivers.

Yes, Tennessee (nearly, but not quite) borders SC, but the area of the Mt. Lion sighting in TN is approximately 11 hours drive from that part of SC in the far northwest corner of the state, near the Missouri border where we already know Mt. Lions sometimes visit.

Again with the twisting.
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It's not twisting, they are verified sightings or kills near the area where I had my sighting. I don't know if what I saw was a Florida panther or a western cougar since eastern cougars aren't supposed to exist.

Not really, all we have is an outlandish story, a complete lack of any corroborating evidence, and evidence of dishonesty in how you present support for your story. Then there is the past bigfoot belief, claim of past life memories, strange attacks on other forum members, none of which particularly help your credibility. Im sorry, but I just don't believe you.
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You have no such thing. What strange attacks? I'm not certain what you are considering to be strange. If you are talking about ABP, then I really can't consider that serious criticism. I'm not going to sit up here and lie about what I consider to be my spiritual beliefs, belief based on personal experiences,that like Cervelo, I have no problem sharing. If that lowers my credibility in your eyes then I think I can live with it.
 
Jodie said:
Why does it matter? If a cougar can get that far why not Edisto?
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Well, you were the one who started posting distances and naming locations to illustrate (in, let's say exaggerated fashion) how close they were to your alleged sighting. Now all of a sudden proximity is of no consequence?



You have no such thing. What strange attacks? I'm not certain what you are considering to be strange. If you are talking about ABP, then I really can't consider that serious criticism. I'm not going to sit up here and lie about what I consider to be my spiritual beliefs, belief based on personal experiences,that like Cervelo, I have no problem sharing. If that lowers my credibility in your eyes then I think I can live with it.
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Eesh.

Look, this is going downhill. I'm just saying you made a claim, didn't offer any evidence to support it, and then there's all this crazy other stuff. Doesn't help make your case. I'm nobody. Don't lose any sleep over it, but based not the totality of the circumstances, Im not buying it without some kind of evidence.
 
Jodie said:
Why does it matter? If a cougar can get that far why not Edisto? Excuse me, but the hunter was from Newnan, Georgia, which is part of Atlanta. The cougar was actually shot outside of LaGrange. It's about 240 miles from Newnan to Edisto, less than that if you are coming from the eastern side of Atlanta. Take into consideration that we are talking about driving directions. I don't think a cougar would follow roads, more probably rivers.
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You're doing it again.
As the crow flies it's 260(ish) miles from Newnan to Edisto...you can do this in Google Maps. Since cougars can't fly then the shortest driving route is as reasonable as anything, which gives 320 miles.

However, as you say, the sighting wasn't in Newnan! It was outside of LaGrange, which is 275 miles away if cougars flew. 350 miles since they can't.

And that assumes it was shot actually in LaGrange, as opposed to, say, nearer the border with Alabama.

In fact, reading this article on it...and guess what, it's Abbottsford, which is a further 15 miles away (10 if flying).

So you're "180 miles" is now pretty much double that. Of course, this is guessing a bit based on just "Edisto" as a location, but I think you get my point.
 
Pterodactyl said:
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Jodie said:
3. A cougar sighting was recently verified in Tennessee, which borders South Carolina.
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Yes, Tennessee (nearly, but not quite) borders SC, but the area of the Mt. Lion sighting in TN is approximately 11 hours drive from that part of SC in the far northwest corner of the state, near the Missouri border where we already know Mt. Lions sometimes visit.

Again with the twisting.

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Hahaha! Maybe the imaginary cougar encounter was near the non-existent Tennessee/SoCar border. ;)
 
I'm still trying to figure out how one gets offended at the suggestion that one might be, or is mistaken.
 
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Over two dozen posts have been banished to AAH. The topic of this thread, in case you have forgotten, is about the eastern cougar and whether it is now extinct. It is not about big-foot nor any of its relatives, nor is this thread appropriate for bickering and personal attacks.

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Pterodactyl said:
Well, you were the one who started posting distances and naming locations to illustrate (in, let's say exaggerated fashion) how close they were to your alleged sighting. Now all of a sudden proximity is of no consequence?
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I didn't say that, you asked why it mattered. Evidently cougars can travel long distances as evidenced by the cougar killed in Connecticut.

Eesh.

Look, this is going downhill. I'm just saying you made a claim, didn't offer any evidence to support it, and then there's all this crazy other stuff. Doesn't help make your case. I'm nobody. Don't lose any sleep over it, but based not the totality of the circumstances, Im not buying it without some kind of evidence.
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I wish I could provide it but the natural flood disaster in SC has hindered getting anything to demonstrate that I'm telling the truth about what I saw. I just came back to the forum after a heavy call week so haven't seen whether Cervelo heard back from SC DNR yet.
 
Resume said:
I'm still trying to figure out how one gets offended at the suggestion that one might be, or is mistaken.
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Because most of these folks aren't familiar with the area where I saw the cougar, or have seen the wildlife I've seen in my area as often as I have seen it such as foxes/bobcats. Let's couple that with an oversimplification and inappropriate application of research results regarding how memory operates, depending on what type of memory it is, and how retrieval and recognition work, it would insult anyone. I think I'm well within my rights to be offended at the insistence that this is what happened considering the sources.
 
Tolls said:
You're doing it again.
As the crow flies it's 260(ish) miles from Newnan to Edisto...you can do this in Google Maps. Since cougars can't fly then the shortest driving route is as reasonable as anything, which gives 320 miles.

However, as you say, the sighting wasn't in Newnan! It was outside of LaGrange, which is 275 miles away if cougars flew. 350 miles since they can't.

And that assumes it was shot actually in LaGrange, as opposed to, say, nearer the border with Alabama.

In fact, reading this article on it...and guess what, it's Abbottsford, which is a further 15 miles away (10 if flying).

So you're "180 miles" is now pretty much double that. Of course, this is guessing a bit based on just "Edisto" as a location, but I think you get my point.
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Either way, if a Florida Panther can get that far from it's native habitat then there is no reason it couldn't follow the coast ending up in Edisto.
 
Cervelo said:
Nah...they don't back up your story, you've got nothing, your just desperately grabbing at thin air.
Same lame game different day, lame gamer shame on you!
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Heard anything from the SC DNR yet?
 
Jodie said:
Because most of these folks aren't familiar with the area where I saw the cougar, or have seen the wildlife I've seen in my area as often as I have seen it such as foxes/bobcats. Let's couple that with an oversimplification and inappropriate application of research results regarding how memory operates, depending on what type of memory it is, and how retrieval and recognition work, it would insult anyone. I think I'm well within my rights to be offended at the insistence that this is what happened considering the sources.
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Anyone can be mistaken.
 
Jodie said:
Either way, if a Florida Panther can get that far from it's native habitat then there is no reason it couldn't follow the coast ending up in Edisto.
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Might have been an escaped exotic.
 
Jodie said:
Either way, if a Florida Panther can get that far from it's native habitat then there is no reason it couldn't follow the coast ending up in Edisto.
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Cryptozoology is based on hypotheticals and anecdotes.

If cougars really are in Edisto then there will be much more than just anecdotes from citizens.
 
William Parcher said:
Cryptozoology is based on hypotheticals and anecdotes.

If cougars really are in Edisto then there will be much more than just anecdotes from citizens.
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If there is no breeding population in SC, or Edisto, then either people's illegal pets are escaping or it's a cougar or panther that is passing through from another area of the country that would best explain my sighting.
 
Here ya go folks....


And Jay's complete info...
 
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I set that camera up in lots of places. Never got a pic of a darn thing.

I set it on the ground there because the property owner said a groundhog lived nearby, and I desperately wanted to get a pic of some critter with my new camera.

It did get one other pic, me driving by in the rain:

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/03f5/c29y440n22xc9mj6g.jpg

We were out there tuning up our arsenal. The hole in the bricking of the old house is where the groundhog lives and the camera was placed right near that hole.

https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/a280/x2dq7oxrf2yduo66g.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/87af/f38v9fr5gg117b26g.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/eee7/dm32dabrsjivftm6g.jpg
 
LTC8K6 said:
I realize that I need to put up or shut up:

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e086/9gc4f593shon5ib6g.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7f02/hv9abbd6au4y6ld6g.jpg

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All you have in your yard is a groundhog? I don't believe it. Looks like you just placed the trail camera on the ground. This might be greatly reducing its photo range. Try putting it about 3 feet up and aimed parallel to the ground. Report back in a week with your true menagerie.
 
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