RE: clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

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Unless those "debunking" can show logs of their reading her mind, sorry, but BS.

I would agree if she were on trial, but the question here is whether all this looks "bad", and how it affects her politically. It looks terrible and she is now losing by double digits to Bernie Sanders in N.H.

Hillary has changed her story numerous times. The worker who set up the server has taken the 5th. Sensitive information (even if it was not classified at the time) has been found on her private server. We have only her word that tens of thousands of deleted emails were "personal". Liberal news outlets are crawling all over the story, debunking the claim that it is another "right wing conspiracy". The first words that come to mind in focus groups when Clinton's name is mentioned are "liar" and "untrustworthy".

The question isn't whether she's handled this horribly, and screwed up, but whether she'll be able to recover from this. Who knows what else might come out?
 
Can you not picture someone who had been using the server and email system not wanting to change when she changed jobs? Because I can. I hate new software.


Exactly. New software is the worst. Why should any Secretary of State have to deal with all those pesky national security requirements? They are sooo annoying ...

Besides, if someone wants to make a "personal" donation to Hillary Clinton for "personal" favors while she was Secretary of State, why shouldn't she be able to delete all those "personal" emails?
 
Carrying two devices was an off the cuff remark.

But as a woman who didn't grow up with a computer, and with a son that is in the computer tech field, even though I'm online all the time and use my computer constantly, I call him all the time to set stuff up for me, or tell me how to do stuff. Maybe that's where we are perceiving things differently here.

I have no trouble believing an older woman like Clinton would prefer one email address. Especially since as Clinton said, the server had been set up at their house for years. She had a tech person set up her email account using it. That makes perfect sense to me and I see nothing suspicious about it. And the last job I had had a very complex computer system. You had to use it, of course, but it was a hassle to get my work emails from home.

"off the cuff remark"??? For cripes sake, it was the key component of her "prepared" remarks at the UN press conference. I mean, Hillary lies enough already, you don't have to make up extra lies just for her
 
Why did she use her senator email address when she was a senator and not use her SoS address when she was the SoS? It seems like it would be much more important to use her SoS address than her Senator address.

The obvious reason was that Senators are not subject to FOIA
 
"off the cuff remark"??? For cripes sake, it was the key component of her "prepared" remarks at the UN press conference. I mean, Hillary lies enough already, you don't have to make up extra lies just for her

It is entertaining to observe, however. Especially when their Hero of the story,Slick Hilly, contradicts their "argument" at every turn. I envision it as an SNL bit, with Chevy acting in a ballerina sketch. Lots of spinning about, very clumsy, in a hideous outfit, but damn humorous!:D:thumbsup:
 
I believed the part where he outlined the procedures that an organization where security was important might take to protect their servers against hacking. ETA: I thought he provided a good faith basis that explained why he would know this.

Yeah, he's right. People who value security go through the effort to make sure their system is secure. We have no evidence to show whether the company running her server was testing their security or not. That was part of my point.

I was glad to see you post, because you have told us about your extensive IT experience.

Yeah, you keep saying that. I'm assuming it's some form of backhanded statement implying that I've bragged myself up. Your reading comprehension is failing you. I've openly stated that others in this thread know more than I do, I've specifically stated TheL8Elvis is one of those people.

Did you think that theprestige's overview of the kinds of things that might be done to provide for the security of servers was accurate?

What he described is one way of testing security, yes. Hire a white hat hacker company to expose the weaknesses in your software. It's fairly common practice.

Would you like to expand on it?

Don't know why I would, it's fairly irrelevant what his company does because it has no effect on what HRC did with hers. She didn't personally do the security for her server, I would assume she had a company do that for her.

Do you know what kind of security measures that Clinton had in place on her server?

As I previously stated:

I've been looking all over the place to figure out what her software, hardware, and overall setup of her server was and can find nothing specific.

Perhaps you could comment on whether the measures she had in place were in compliance with the requirements for servers where classified material is stored?

See TheL8Elvis's post that you must have missed before.
 
I see three reasons that Clinton may have wanted to use a personal server.
1. Secrecy - She wanted to exclude her SoS emails from archiving requirements.
2. Arrogance - Hey look at me. I'm a special person. I have my own server not like the rest of the riff raff working for the government.
3. Convenience - She would have had to carry a second device for her personal emails

The third reason has been pretty thoroughly debunked but one aspect of her reason confuses me a bit. Since she planned to mix her private and SoS emails on her personal server, why didn't she just save the trouble and expense of the personal server and use her SoS email address for her SoS and private emails?

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One thing that does peeve me in regards to criticism of her actions is the premise that while there is suspicion that she wanted to avoid the FOIA process and it may be implied through her actions, it's still up in the air whether the evidence sufficiently shows this. And call me perfectionist but I've bitched about due process in some of the threads about the cop shootings, and I see no reason not to apply that standard here either in spite of my views of Hillary's character.

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I tried to be comprehensive when I made up the list of reasons why I thought Clinton might have used a private email server, but I still had a sense that the list wasn't complete. I think there might be a fourth possibility that jibes a bit with what she says: An adviser, perhaps Eric Hothem, said something like, "why don't we set up a private email server for you, there's no reason why you need to use the government email address and that way you'll have complete control of your emails and they'll be stored in one place." Neither she, nor this hypothetical adviser thought much about the repercussions or the problems.

I don't know that this scenario makes her look any better. It suggests that she formed an idea, and then went forward without thinking about the repercussions, and without reviewing the idea with any people that were knowledgeable about the issues involved or she ignored their advice if she did receive it. It is possible that she didn't form an explicit idea in her mind when she went forward with this that she would violate archiving requirements and defeat FOIA requests. But that is certainly what her actions accomplished. And it is hard to understand why eventually she wouldn't have complied with the relevant regulations until she was forced to unless it was her intent to never provide her emails to the State Department.

On a slightly different topic, Clinton's spin that that they had already used this server so it wasn't a big deal to just use it again for her private email server doesn't seem all that useful of a defense for her actions and it is to some degree not accurate. Somebody applied for and received a new IP address for the server and she is reported to have spent $5,000 on having somebody setting the server up for her purposes. I realize $5K is chump change for a Clinton, especially if her foundation paid for it, but still she initiated activity that involved some effort so that she didn't need to use the official SoS address.
 
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Yeah, you keep saying that. I'm assuming it's some form of backhanded statement implying that I've bragged myself up. Your reading comprehension is failing you. I've openly stated that others in this thread know more than I do, I've specifically stated TheL8Elvis is one of those people.
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I think what you've done is imply that your IT experience gives you special insight and that other people with out your insight have said things in this thread that aren't accurate. And it is certainly plausible that you are correct about this. What I haven't seen is any examples where you have explicitly shown that a post contained errors based on the inadequate knowledge by the poster of things IT related.
 
....On a slightly different topic, Clinton's spin that that they had already used this server so it wasn't a big deal to just use it again for her private email server doesn't seem all that useful of a defense for her actions and it is to some degree not accurate. Somebody applied for and received a new IP address for the server and she is reported to have spent $5,000 on having somebody setting the server up for her purposes. I realize $5K is chump change for a Clinton, especially if her foundation paid for it, but still she initiated activity that involved some effort so that she didn't need to use the official SoS address.
I think you might be conflating the initial costs which were incurred to set the server up when she began her 2008 campaign for POTUS with what was spent later to use a different email address after the POTUS campaign ended.

Feel free to show me where an additional $5K was spent.
 
I tried to be comprehensive when I made up the list of reasons why I thought Clinton might have used a private email server, but I still had a sense that the list wasn't complete. I think there might be a fourth possibility that jibes a bit with what she says: An adviser, perhaps Eric Hothem, said something like, "why don't we set up a private email server for you, there's no reason why you need to use the government email address and that way you'll have complete control of your emails and they'll be stored in one place." Neither she, nor this hypothetical adviser thought much about the repercussions or the problems.

I don't know that this scenario makes her look any better. It suggests that she formed an idea, and then went forward without thinking about the repercussions, and without reviewing the idea with any people that were knowledgeable about the issues involved or she ignored their advice if she did receive it. It is possible that she didn't form an explicit idea in her mind when she went forward with this that she would violate archiving requirements and defeat FOIA requests. But that is certainly what her actions accomplished. And it is hard to understand why eventually she wouldn't have complied with the relevant regulations until she was forced to unless it was he intent to never provide her emails to the State Department.

On a slightly different topic, Clinton's spin that that they had already used this server so it wasn't a big deal to just use it again for her private email server doesn't seem all that useful of a defense for her actions and it is to some degree not accurate. Somebody applied for and received a new IP address for the server and she is reported to have spent $5,000 on having somebody setting the server up for her purposes. I realize $5K is chump change for a Clinton, especially if her foundation paid for it, but still she initiated activity that involved some effort so that she didn't need to use the official SoS address.

It's not necessarily that my response was meant for you specifically. I was just saying that I have a lot of the same suspicions as you, and even 16.5 and others on a number of matters related to this issue. I just anticipate that I could be wrong depending on what the evidence shows criminally speaking and I'd like to be as fair as possible about the interpretation I take from everything, since legally you're presumed innocent on criminal matters until proven guilty. And for that matter until it becomes a criminal case it's more of a voting and character issue than anything else. You happen to take on the latter scenario which I find reasonable enough, on the possibilities... but ultimately the voting side of things is either going to be decided before the primaries, during them, or during the general elections. Considering how much can happen between now and the elections, I just don't feel like being too "excited" or whatever over whether this kills her election chances or not. It either will or it won't...

ETA: To clarify a bit further... since I'm NPA I can't vote in the primaries for either party so I can't make many choices until the general elections anyway.
 
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The Cowboy Server WAS in her basement!

Mrs. Clinton said setting up the personal system was less complicated that it might seem, noting the server was already in place for her husband, former President Bill Clinton. “It was sitting there in the basement. It was not any trouble at all,” she said. “I added my account to it and it apparently took a little time to do that.” She said that there was “about a month” in which there was nothing on the server.

And people thought it was mean of me to describe her homebrew cowboy server as sitting in the basement next to all of Billy's used penthouses.

:thumbsup::D:thumbsup: Called it baby!
 
Hillary: laying the mattress for a soft landing...

The Buck Stops with Hillary....Huma.... THE LAWYERS!:

Hillary Clinton didn’t personally review her emails to determine which related to work and which were personal before turning them over to the State Department, but relied on her attorneys to make the proper determinations.

“I didn’t look at them,” she said. “I wanted them to be as clear in their process as possible. I didn’t want to be looking over their shoulder. If they thought it was work-related, it would go to the State Department. If not, then it would not.”

Sounds like Hillary is setting up a defense, don't it?
 
The Buck Stops with Hillary....Huma.... THE LAWYERS!:

Hillary Clinton didn’t personally review her emails to determine which related to work and which were personal before turning them over to the State Department, but relied on her attorneys to make the proper determinations.

“I didn’t look at them,” she said. “I wanted them to be as clear in their process as possible. I didn’t want to be looking over their shoulder. If they thought it was work-related, it would go to the State Department. If not, then it would not.”

Sounds like Hillary is setting up a defense, don't it?

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The Buck Stops with Hillary....Huma.... THE LAWYERS!:

Hillary Clinton didn’t personally review her emails to determine which related to work and which were personal before turning them over to the State Department, but relied on her attorneys to make the proper determinations.

“I didn’t look at them,” she said. “I wanted them to be as clear in their process as possible. I didn’t want to be looking over their shoulder. If they thought it was work-related, it would go to the State Department. If not, then it would not.”

Sounds like Hillary is setting up a defense, don't it?

I think that was the plan from the beginning.
 

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I think that was the plan from the beginning.

Amen: a bunch of private lawyers who owe a duty only to their client (Hillary) go through her communications as SoS (without security clearances, of course) and figure out what they want to produce and what they don't want to produce, and Hillary not only does not check their work, she didn't even look at it.

Yet she's been telling everyone who will listen that she turned over all emails related to the work of the Government. You see, her lawyers told her!

This knucklehead is running for president????
 
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