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Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Dougm said:
I think what is widely misunderstood is that, for most supporters, the "girl next door" piece resonates much more than the "pretty girl" piece. Amanda herself wrote that she was perplexed by the facination with her looks, and I have not met any supporter who is panting over her. But the idea that the authorities, in any country, could make up a case against an ordinary young woman who had done nothing wrong, and charge her with murder, is what pulled many people in, IMO.

The guilters love to make fun of supporters for rushing to the defense of Amanda against anyone that criticizes her, but the truth is, in most of those cases, they are criticizing her using made up facts.

If the authorities can pick out the person they think is acting odd, or who they don't like for some reason, and charge them with a crime, we live in a world I don't want to live in. Of course they can do that, and they do, but this case pointed that out to many people who probably were not aware of that.
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I think Amanda is or was a pretty girl in October of 2007. Yes, she definitely had the girl next door look. She's a "Mary Ann" not a "Ginger" A Donna Reed, not a Marilyn Monroe. That made her easily relatable. I can't imagine "panting" over her. But there is no doubt she's attractive. And don't kid yourself Bruce. This both worked for and against Amanda. I seriously doubt if she was ugly that she would have had as much support as she did. That's not fair, but I believe it to be true.
 
Vixen said:
Yes we are all nauseated by Amanda's non-stop regaling of all the guys she ever screwed.
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She hasn't said a word in years on the subject. Literally, years.

And yet you're still talking about it right now, today. Dreaming about it? Doing other things while you think about it?

Enough, already.
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Dude, hold that thought. The case is over. Find another girl to get all squeegy on. Enough, already.
 
kwill said:
She hasn't said a word in years on the subject. Literally, years.

And yet you're still talking about it right now, today. Dreaming about it? Doing other things while you think about it?



Dude, hold that thought. The case is over. Find another girl to get all squeegy on. Enough, already.
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Vixen is slut shaming.
 
RWVBWL said:
I am simply aghast!!!

The Grinder,
of all folks,
went to,
or
met up with you,
+
maybe drank some cold 1's with you
at a top-less pool bar
err, I mean had some great grub at pro-innocence get-together?

And never mentioned this to us bro + bro-ettes here on The ISF
that he knew you?

Hmmm.
Hmmmm, Hmmmmm...
:eye-poppi
!!!
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I think you missed the point. The point is that I have never met Grinder.
 
acbytesla said:
I think Amanda is or was a pretty girl in October of 2007. Yes, she definitely had the girl next door look. She's a "Mary Ann" not a "Ginger" A Donna Reed, not a Marilyn Monroe. That made her easily relatable. I can't imagine "panting" over her. But there is no doubt she's attractive. And don't kid yourself Bruce. This both worked for and against Amanda. I seriously doubt if she was ugly that she would have had as much support as she did. That's not fair, but I believe it to be true.
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The core people at IIP were not advocating based on looks, but looks played a major role with the media. Looks caused the media to focus on the case. The attention certainly sparked interest. And we know that there are people online who are supporters just because of looks. We have no control over that, and have no interest in that type of support.
 
Ken Dine said:
That would depend on your definition of "MET"?
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Really. While it might be argued that she didn't "Know" Rudi there is no way it can be argued she didn't meet him.

She professed to know Rudy Hermann Guede, although just ‚a little.‛ She remembered that she had met him in the center of town, during the course of an evening in which she had (also) met the guys who lived in her same house at Via della Pergola-- but they lived downstairs-- and they had introduced her to Rudy. Then she had spent most of the time with Meredith and they had returned home, all together. On another occasion, she met him (i.e., Rudy) at the ‚Le Chic‛ pub. She also remembered attending a party in the second half of the month of October 2007, together with the guys who lived downstairs.

Answering a specific question on the matter, she stated that she did not have a relationship with Rudy Guede; she remembered that someone had introduced him to her and she had seen him around on a few occasions. Once he came into the pub where she worked.

He (Giacomo) recalled that he had been at their house one evening. They had found him going around and they had started to talk. They were going home and he went with them. He remembered that Rudy had asked for information about Amanda Knox and that he had showed interest in her.
This had happened towards the middle of October. He had asked for this information from him, from Marco and from Stefano. This happened when he had gone to their place. Amanda was there with them and Rudy had noticed her.

Visiting the house in Via della Pergola, he had seen Rudy there two or three times, and on these occasions Amanda and Meredith were also there; Rudy was talking to both of them and on one occasion he confided in them that he liked Amanda

The last witness was wrong. He hadn't seen them that many times.

The above are from Massei. I doubt that Amanda denies meeting him.

Were they good friends? No. Were they in touch by phone or text? No. Is there any evidence they were in any sort of regular contact? No.

Had she met him? Yes.
 
Grinder said:
Really. While it might be argued that she didn't "Know" Rudi there is no way it can be argued she didn't meet him.

<..... sinister deletia......>

The above are from Massei. I doubt that Amanda denies meeting him.

Were they good friends? No. Were they in touch by phone or text? No. Is there any evidence they were in any sort of regular contact? No.

Had she met him? Yes.
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And the importance of this post-March 2015 is.......... ?
 
Vixen said:
Citation, please. Amanda brought up Patrick's name and was convicted for malicious false accusation.
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Arturo de Felice confirmed that Amanda told them - eventually - what they already knew to be true. Lumumba was in fact the police's suspect.
 
Amanda'a sex life

Again we have Amanda's sex life being held up as an indication to her being involved in a murder she was found not guilty of.

She has been accused of nymphomania, lesbianism, having sex with a guy on a train, having casual sex with drug dealers, having sex in exchange for drugs etc.

Mach even suggested that Amanda had sexual contact with Guede for drugs.

When Amanda was falsely told she had HIV, she made a list of her sexual partners in her private diary, which somehow managed to find it's way to the press.

(ECHR Article 3
"No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." hmmmm)

I wonder if Vixen or Mach believe that she lied to herself in making this list whilst terrified with the prospect of having contracted HIV.

If not, could Vixen or Mach please point out where on the list the guy on the train, the drug dealers or even Guede are.

I think it has been proved that only one of the girls from the cottage was in a sexual relationship with a drug supplier.
 
Mr Fied said:
Again we have Amanda's sex life being held up as an indication to her being involved in a murder she was found not guilty of.

She has been accused of nymphomania, lesbianism, having sex with a guy on a train, having casual sex with drug dealers, having sex in exchange for drugs etc.

Mach even suggested that Amanda had sexual contact with Guede for drugs.

When Amanda was falsely told she had HIV, she made a list of her sexual partners in her private diary, which somehow managed to find it's way to the press.

(ECHR Article 3 "No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." hmmmm)

I wonder if Vixen or Mach believe that she lied to herself in making this list whilst terrified with the prospect of having contracted HIV.

If not, could Vixen or Mach please point out where on the list the guy on the train, the drug dealers or even Guede are.

I think it has been proved that only one of the girls from the cottage was in a sexual relationship with a drug supplier.
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The issues regarding the Italian authorities' unjustified disclosure of Amanda Knox's private writings, her private life, private conversations, and their false statements about her character and private actions may be better described as violations of Convention Article 8:

ARTICLE 8
Right to respect for private and family life
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the
exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the
law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of
national security, public safety or the economic wellbeing of the
country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection
of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms
 
acbytesla said:
YES YOU ARE! Time to look in the mirror and be honest with yourself. You are definitely engaging in slut shaming. And who cares about what some guy from the BBC thinks? The fact is there was NOTHING shocking or deviant about Amanda's sex life. In fact, it was quite boring and definitely not outside the mainstream.

Amanda was forthright in discussing her sex life in WTBH. She sort of had to do it. And why shouldn't she be? After all, every aspect of her sex life and personal hygiene was written about in the tabloids by ignorant fools for years. Not to mention by people like you in forums such as this.
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I was amused to see, that like you, her fawning sycophant, Amanda, too, is now calling herself a "feminist" in her latest WEST SEATTLE HERALD ramblings.

What next, an article on 'A Woman's Right to Butcher her Roommate and not have to Answer"? It is so sexist of the police to question her over the murder. It's all because she's an American broad who likes to put it about. End sexism now!
 
Vixen said:
I was amused to see, that like you, her fawning sycophant, Amanda, too, is now calling herself a "feminist" in her latest WEST SEATTLE HERALD ramblings.

What next, an article on 'A Woman's Right to Butcher her Roommate and not have to Answer"? It is so sexist of the police to question her over the murder. It's all because she's an American broad who likes to put it about. End sexism now!
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IIRC she did have to answer the charge, and was found not guilty.

You do seem to have a problem regarding actual facts as opposed to made up bs.
 
RWVBWL said:
Hey!
Where's my X + O's?





So odd that Dr. Stefanoni could not find out whom these hair strands belonged to, right? What, she didn't wanna crank up the machine to find out who they belonged too? Too bad, for if they were from Foxy Knoxy or [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE], I'd be a guilter just like you!

No way that those long blonde-ish hair strands
were left overs from Meredith's passionate cuddles
with Giacomo,
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=480&pictureid=10058[/qimg]
right?

I wonder if Amanda or [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE]'s DNA
was ever found under Meredith's long fingernails?

Err,
didn't the scientific police officer correct Dr. Stefanoni on video camera
and tell her Meredith had medium long fingernail's?

So was any DNA from the "Piccioncini",
as Laura M. called them,
found there, Vixen?

By the way Vixen,
what ever happened to those blonde hair strands?





Bummer.
Does that mean that tonight you won't be gettin',
ah, err, never mind...
:D
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Unless you get the hair follicle and the sample is quite fresh, it's difficult to get hair DNA. The hairs were lost; Raff did ask Policewoman Vanessa to help him out, so who knows...?

Blimey, reminds me of schoolboys aged 14. "Miss, did you get it last night, fnarr, fnarr?"

Must be something in that California sea air. You should bottle it.
 
Numbers said:
The issues regarding the Italian authorities' unjustified disclosure of Amanda Knox's private writings, her private life, private conversations, and their false statements about her character and private actions may be better described as violations of Convention Article 8:

ARTICLE 8
Right to respect for private and family life
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the
exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the
law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of
national security, public safety or the economic wellbeing of the
country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection
of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms
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I bow to your superior knowledge Numbers.

It's just that I think the leaks were more to do with helping get a conviction by swaying public opinion, and IMO have more to do with violating her rights to a fair trial than with her right to privacy in this case.
 
acbytesla said:
I think Amanda is or was a pretty girl in October of 2007. Yes, she definitely had the girl next door look. She's a "Mary Ann" not a "Ginger" A Donna Reed, not a Marilyn Monroe. That made her easily relatable. I can't imagine "panting" over her. But there is no doubt she's attractive. And don't kid yourself Bruce. This both worked for and against Amanda. I seriously doubt if she was ugly that she would have had as much support as she did. That's not fair, but I believe it to be true.
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The fascination is that a young woman could behave like that. I don't think she's good looking. The photos for her book are heavily airbrushed. On TV she had to have layers of panstick plastered over her face.
 
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kwill said:
She hasn't said a word in years on the subject. Literally, years.

And yet you're still talking about it right now, today. Dreaming about it? Doing other things while you think about it?



Dude, hold that thought. The case is over. Find another girl to get all squeegy on. Enough, already.
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Rubbish. Her book WTBH was recently rerun. In your world, weeks become, "years".
 
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