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Roger Ramjets said:
Nothing. It it wasn't this it would just be something else.
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Agreed. When it comes to the Clintons, republicans have spent decades attempting to investigate them for a wide variety of things, so far fruitlessly. But it sure convinces the less than impartial among us the their gut dislike of the Clintons is justified, basically becoming a self-reinforcing loop. Clinton wouldn't be investigated so much if they hadn't done something wrong, even though we can't find any evidence that they've done something wrong, so we must keep investigating to find something, anything, that they've done wrong, because Clinton wouldn't be investigated so much if they hadn't done something wrong.
 
wareyin said:
Agreed. When it comes to the Clintons, republicans have spent decades attempting to investigate them for a wide variety of things, so far fruitlessly. But it sure convinces the less than impartial among us the their gut dislike of the Clintons is justified, basically becoming a self-reinforcing loop. Clinton wouldn't be investigated so much if they hadn't done something wrong, even though we can't find any evidence that they've done something wrong, so we must keep investigating to find something, anything, that they've done wrong, because Clinton wouldn't be investigated so much if they hadn't done something wrong.
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The Republicans have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to harm the Clintons and they did it with a complete disregard for what was in the interest of the nation when Bill Clinton was president. The have desperately tried to blow the sad tragedy of Benghazi into some sort of scandal with a complete disregard for truth or the interests of the American people.

What is a little new for them after all the years of pushing the Benghazi nonsense is that they have a real scandal where Clinton probably acted illegally, she certainly attempted to skirt regulations and laws and she acted recklessly with regard to the handling of sensitive potentially classified material. Of course, the Republican partisans will try to make this situation seem worse than it is and they will study and scheme to harm Clinton to the maximum possible without much regard for truth and if the email scandal hadn't been handy they would have made something up.

In the end the whole thing is sad. It is hard to see another explanation for what went on other than Clinton was really stupid and she doesn't think that the laws and regulations that apply to the little people apply to her. But I don't think this scandal is going to move a lot of political moderates away from voting for her and of course she will lose almost no partisan Democrats over this. Still it has weakened her situation already and where this is going can't be predicted I think.
 
wareyin said:
"State Department employees apparently circulated the emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011, and some were ultimately forwarded to Mrs. Clinton."
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Obviously, you are apparently unaware that is a crime, right there. Who was in charge of the State Department? Gomer Pyle?

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Huh, sure sounds like Clinton is not the focus of the FBI investigation, is not suspected to be at fault for some unmarked classified material being forwarded to her, and there is no evidence she broke the law.
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Yet, she was/is condoning people who worked for her to commit breaches of National Security. Partisan witch hunt my ass.

Also, who are these experts who are estimating that no harm was done to National Security?
 
Reheat said:
Obviously, you are apparently unaware that is a crime, right there. Who was in charge of the State Department? Gomer Pyle?

Yet, she was/is condoning people who worked for her to commit breaches of National Security. Partisan witch hunt my ass.

Also, who are these experts who are estimating that no harm was done to National Security?
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wait, are people really trying to claim that Hillary is not at all fault?

she set up the cowboy server, and she was in charge of these people. the only reason they were sending the stuff to a private server was because she set it up that way.

although, Hillary having some low level stiff take the fall fer her? So Presidential!
 
davefoc said:
The Republicans have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to harm the Clintons and they did it with a complete disregard for what was in the interest of the nation when Bill Clinton was president. The have desperately tried to blow the sad tragedy of Benghazi into some sort of scandal with a complete disregard for truth or the interests of the American people.
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Why was this any different than what was done to Nixon over a two-bit Hotel break-in, lying and an attempted cover-up? What makes this so different from getting repeated BJ's in the oval office while conducting National and International business by the Chief Executive, lying about it and attempting to cover it up?

Also, is it your opinion that lying about what was a gross failure of Foreign Policy and lying about it to the American People in order to salvage an election is not in the best interests of the American people?

It seems to me your opinion of what is in the best interests of the American People is a bit biased to say the least.
 
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Reheat said:
Obviously, you are apparently unaware that is a crime, right there. Who was in charge of the State Department? Gomer Pyle?
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Are you claiming that Clinton is at fault because someone sent her email? What a fascinating twist. Have you shared this information with the FBI, who seem to disagree with you?



Reheat said:
Yet, she was/is condoning people who worked for her to commit breaches of National Security. Partisan witch hunt my ass.
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Evidence that she condoned committing breaches of National Security?

Reheat said:
Also, who are these experts who are estimating that no harm was done to National Security?
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Did you read the linked article?
 
Hillary Clinton Thinks People are Stupid

In the single most ridiculous line of the year, career politician and shyster Hillary Clinton said:

“I will do my part to provide transparency to Americans, that’s why I’m insisting 55,000 pages of my e-mails be published as soon as possible,” she said on Friday.

Transparency is why she set up a cowboy server, transparency is why she destroyed over half the documents, transparency is why she refused to turn over the server for six months.

NOW she says that she wants the emails "published" including the ones that are riddled with Top Secret data.

Hillary Clinton must think that people are stupid if they can't see past this dime store shuck and jive from a pathological liar like Hillary
 
16.5 said:
In the single most ridiculous line of the year, career politician and shyster Hillary Clinton said:

“I will do my part to provide transparency to Americans, that’s why I’m insisting 55,000 pages of my e-mails be published as soon as possible,” she said on Friday.

Transparency is why she set up a cowboy server, transparency is why she destroyed over half the documents, transparency is why she refused to turn over the server for six months.

NOW she says that she wants the emails "published" including the ones that are riddled with Top Secret data.

Hillary Clinton must think that people are stupidif they can't see past this dime store shuck and jive from a pathological liar like Hillary
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No, like most politicians she knows that they are. That is how they get their supporters to believe what they say.
 
Reheat said:
Also, is it your opinion that lying about what was a gross failure of Foreign Policy and lying about it to the American People in order to salvage an election is not in the best interests of the American people?
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I seriously don't like Hillary and it's possible that in a Trump vs Clinton match up I'd vote Trump.

That said, I resent this kind of browbeating. I don't excuse lying and failure. I supported GWB for 8 years knowing that he was behind two of the greatest failures in American history. 9/11 and Katrina. I voted for him twice even though I knew the Iraq invasion was based on false information and very likely serious obfuscation. Katrina was an absolute unmitigated disaster. FDR imprisoned an group of people. Lincoln Suspended Habeas Corpus. Reagan traded arms for hostages.

I don't mind holding people accountable. I mind this pretend world where the home team is rarely criticized while the opponents are evil personified (my impression) and all of the immoral inconsistencies, cherry picking logical pretzel twisting one must go throw to beat someone else over the head for supporting what they think is the best choice given the options. When Hillary Clinton does something wrong she should suffer the consequences and so should everyone else in spite of ideology.
 
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Steve said:
No, like most politicians she knows that they are.
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The best way is to pander to emotions. Take a look at Trump. Not a single policy position (that I know of). He has survived on platitudes and demagoguery alone. Trump definitely expects his followers to be stupid. He tells them that immigrants come here to commit crime and that is empirically false. We know that from his very own source he used to justify his claim.

While it’s possible, as the Fusion article reports, that some of these rapes are being committed by fellow migrants, the larger problem they are describing stems from gangs that control territory south of the border forcing women to “pay” for their passage with sex. That does not mean, as Trump has never stopped insisting, that Mexico is somehow sending all of its “rapists” to the United States.
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RandFan said:
That said, I resent this kind of browbeating. I don't excuse lying and failure. I supported GWB for 8 years knowing that he was behind two of the greatest failures in American history. 9/11 and Katrina. I voted for him twice even though I knew the Iraq invasion was based on false information and very likely serious obfuscation..
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lol wut.

Wow that freaking makes no sense, although the appeal to "I voted for George bush twice" is quite compelling.:rolleyes:
 
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16.5 said:
lol wut.

Wow that freaking makes no sense...
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since you apparently only read half his post, I can see why you might be confused. I suggest you read the rest as it makes his point quite nicely. Basically he's saying he doesn't appreciate the hyper partisan demagoguery being displayed. Then again he may have better success explaining a color chart to blind people.
 
RandFan said:
That said, I resent this kind of browbeating.
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This straight from the liberal playbook. If this was a republican.....can you imagine the head hunters?

Rand you never show this kind of disgust when these bitterly angry libs do to your supposed side.
 
logger said:
This straight from the liberal playbook. If this was a republican.....can you imagine the head hunters?

Rand you never show this kind of disgust when these bitterly angry libs do to your supposed side.
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I did it as a staunch Conservative on this site from 2001 until ~2011. I'll cop to moral inconsistency. I'm biased and more likely to take someone to task if doing so conforms to my bias. That said, I don't have a side. No home team. I'm currently hammering Trump because he is IMO a narcissistic bully. That said, given the choice between him and Hillary I'm likely to vote Trump. I've criticized her much BTW.

That said, the next time you feel someone is being partisan in their browbeating a conservative for supporting a lying war criminal like W. (arguably) then come tell me and I will have a talk with that person.

Fair enough?

I won't ask you to do the same.
 
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logger said:
Are you including yourself in this?
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You post like you're a conservative autobot. It's clear you haven't read my posts, or at best, failed to comprehend them. Let me give you deparately needed clue:

I never said I agreed with her email decisions.
I never said I supported her email decisions.
I never said she wasn't guilty
I never said what she did was legal
I never said what she did was ethical
I never said what she did was reasonable

I've said since day 1 she deserves whatever punishment she gets if convicted of a crime.

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RandFan said:
I seriously don't like Hillary and it's possible that in a Trump vs Clinton match up I'd vote Trump.

That said, I resent this kind of browbeating. I don't excuse lying and failure. I supported GWB for 8 years knowing that he was behind two of the greatest failures in American history. 9/11 and Katrina. I voted for him twice even though I knew the Iraq invasion was based on false information and very likely serious obfuscation. Katrina was an absolute unmitigated disaster. FDR imprisoned an group of people. Lincoln Suspended Habeas Corpus. Reagan traded arms for hostages.

I don't mind holding people accountable. I mind this pretend world where the home team is rarely criticized while the opponents are evil personified (my impression) and all of the immoral inconsistencies, cherry picking logical pretzel twisting one must go throw to beat someone else over the head for supporting what they think is the best choice given the options. When Hillary Clinton does something wrong she should suffer the consequences and so should everyone else in spite of ideology.
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I can't understand the hatred and vilification of the Clintons. Hate is the only word that describes it. I didn''t vote for Bush and I thought he was weak and easily manipulated by key Cabinet members. That said, I never hated the man. I laughed at the jokes and I thought almost all of his policies were wrong, but hatred? No. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still think the president and others leaders deserve respect, if only for the grueling nature of the jobs.
 
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ferd burfle said:
I can't understand the hatred and vilification of the Clintons. Hate is the only word that describes it. I didn''t vote for Bush and I thought he was weak and easily manipulated by key Cabinet members. That said, I never hated the man. I laughed at the jokes and I thought almost all of his policies were wrong, but hatred? No.
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Has anyone here said they hate anyone?

This always comes up from the left, if you disagree with a person passionately, it somehow devolves into hate.

The Clintons have had a long political career of corruption, they just have that aura to them. I also don't think many on the right, middle and left appreciate the obvious "marriage arrangement" they have. Especially two people who want to be in politics, image is everything.
 
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