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[The Big Dog]

Why the eye roll ? That doesn't say the email was marked.
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If they were already marked, why would the IC need to "properly mark" them ?

Perhaps you should re-read the memo, it doesn't support your claim.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The Information from the Intelligence Community WAS PROPERLY MARKED, Hillary's emails containing that information were not properly marked and had to be marked by the IC IG.

This is so freaking simple I cannot believe I have to explain this.

That is what you get from reading *********** garbage like media matters.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Funny, I was wondering the same ...

The Information from the Intelligence Community WAS PROPERLY MARKED, Hillary's emails containing that information were not properly marked and had to be marked by the IC IG.

The memo you posted does not say "The Information from the Intelligence Community WAS PROPERLY MARKED", as you are claiming.

It says the emails attached to the memo have been properly marked. As in, they were not marked before, so they have been properly marked.

It's clear and plain language. Not sure why you keep claiming it provides evidence for how the emails were when they were originally sent, it clearly doesn't discuss that.

 

[Reheat]

Let me know when you catch up to this post and if you also believe The inspector general, I. Charles McCullough III, is lying as well.

That's neat how you twist what he really said. Look, you can argue all you want with this crap from Media Matters. It doesn't mean squat.

I have worked with this stuff from NSA and I have handled dozens of satellite imagery. It is all Classified or it wouldn't be going to Sec of State.

If you and your cronies want to consider that a fallacy, go ahead.

No one has yet answered the question as to why something was not classified when it was sent, but was classified at a later date? Anyway, do you really believe that anyone with a brain would not recognize satellite imagery? Apparently, you do and it appears that you are right. We obviously agree on the that...

 

[The Big Dog]

Funny, I was wondering the same ...

The memo you posted does not say "The Information from the Intelligence Community WAS PROPERLY MARKED", as you are claiming.

It says the emails attached to the memo have been properly marked. As in, they were not marked before, so they have been properly marked.

It's clear and plain language. Not sure why you keep claiming it provides evidence for how the emails were when they were originally sent, it clearly doesn't discuss that.

This was classified information from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the letter states that that the emails contain "classified intelligence community information" and contains the specific NGA classification designation in the Derived From line.

You clearly do not understand what you are looking at.

Do some non-media matters research because I am done spoon feeding you.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

That's neat how you twist what he really said. Look, you can argue all you want with this crap from Media Matters. It doesn't mean squat.

How did I twist anything ? Did you not see that I quoted the washington post, which quoted a memo from the inspector general ?

You don't have to like media matters to be able to check their claims and sources.

I have worked with this stuff from NSA and I have handled dozens of satellite imagery. It is all Classified or it wouldn't be going to Sec of State.

If you and your cronies want to consider that a fallacy, go ahead.

Argument from incredulity is a fallacy no matter what you have worked with.

 

[JohnnyG]

1 and 2 are issues. 3 is not, despite the fact for the fact that the govt is woefully behind in technology. Software automates tedium nicely.

3 is indeed an issue, searching other inboxes is considered a much larger search than one persons outbox. David Sobel, who directs a FOIA project at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said "In fact, State likely would have argued that it would be unreasonable to conduct such a far-reaching search."

Argument from incredulity is still a fallacy. I think I covered the rest in my response to Newtons Bit.

It would be a fallacy if I used it as evidence to prove that HC is not to stupid to know NSA intelligence is classified. I am more than willing to admit she could be that stupid. Thank you for pointing out that possibility.

We covered this earlier in the thread, and yes, she does get to decide what is relevant and archived, as dumb as it sounds. That's how badly the system works. You are supposed to PRINT your emails that you deem work related and save them in printed form.

Not according to Douglas Cox, a law professor at City University of New York who studies records preservation. Cox said the fact that Clinton’s staff -- rather than a State Department federal records officer -- chose which emails to destroy is "honestly breathtaking." Her private employees don’t have the authority to decide what does or doesn’t count as a federal record. Further, when she was making these choices, she was acting as a private citizen, not a government employee.

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[TheL8Elvis]

This was classified information from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the letter states that that the emails contain "classified intelligence community information" and contains the specific NGA classification designation in the Derived From line.

Yes. They specify the NGA SCG that they used to determine it was considered classified when sent. How does that prove that it was properly marked when it was sent , which is what you keep claiming.

IT DOESNT.

You clearly do not understand what you are looking at.

Obviously, I disagree.

Do some non-media matters research because I am done spoon feeding you.

What would you propose I research to make the memo say something it doesn't ?

 

[DavidJames]

Well if Douglas Cox said that then damn, string her up.

 

[The Big Dog]

Does not understand what Derived means.

And we are done here....

 

[TheL8Elvis]

3 is indeed an issue, searching other inboxes is considered a much larger search than one persons outbox. David Sobel, who directs a FOIA project at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said "In fact, State likely would have argued that it would be unreasonable to conduct such a far-reaching search."

It would be a fallacy if I used it as evidence to prove that HC is not to stupid to know NSA intelligence is classified. I am more than willing to admit she could be that stupid. Thank you for pointing out that possibility.

Not according to Douglas Cox, a law professor at City University of New York who studies records preservation. Cox said the fact that Clinton’s staff -- rather than a State Department federal records officer -- chose which emails to destroy is "honestly breathtaking." Her private employees don’t have the authority to decide what does or doesn’t count as a federal record. Further, when she was making these choices, she was acting as a private citizen, not a government employee.

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Fine job of representing one side of the article. The same article also quotes "experts" who claim she followed the rules and broke no laws. So it's hardly as cut and dried as you are representing above.

As for the classification part, it likely has little to do with intelligence, but if that's how you would like to interpret it, be my guest.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Does not understand what Derived means.

And we are done here....

It's the classification guidelines they used. I have a (lapsed) TS clearance. I know exactly what the memo says, which is why you are choosing to eject

 

[sunmaster14]

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Although, her claim that the state department should have had a copy of every email she sent to people at thier state.gov email address is not without merit.

It is completely without merit for two reasons. First, she stated definitively that the State Department email servers automatically archived emails sent to the state.gov address when in fact they were not set up to do that. Second, she was in charge of the State Department, so she either lied or was willfully negligent in her managerial role.

http://mediamatters.org/research/20...ry-clintons-email-and-r/204913#noneclassified

FACT: None Of The Emails Sent To Clinton Were Labeled As "Classified" Or "Top Secret"

Government Officials: None Of The Emails Were Marked As "Classified" When They Were Sent. The Washington Post reported that when the ICIG first "found information that should have been designated as classified" in four emails from Clinton's server -- two of which he now says contain "top secret" information -- government officials acknowledged that the emails were not marked as classified when they were sent (emphasis added):​

Classification is a property of the information, not the markings on the document. Whether or not those emails were marked classified, they were still classified. And given her knowledge and experience, she probably should have recognized that those emails were classified. If she was unsure, she should have asked.

These were emails she gave to her lawyer on USB - so that is how "she provided classified documents"

Not sure what you point is here. Edward Snowden secreted classified materials out on a USB thumb drive too. Those little buggers can hold a lot of information.

Regardless of the server she used - it was always going to be her deciding what she "archived" and what she didn't. There is not a third party that comes in and decides that stuff.

Actually, sometimes 3rd parties do look over an employee's records and make those determinations. In any case, you have missed an important point. She should have been making these decisions in real-time, not years after the fact with the benefit of hindsight. For example, suppose she had some documents pertaining to Libya which showed how she was the main driver for the intervention there, and that she was optimistic about Libya's future. Now that Libya has turned into just another al Qaeda/ISIS hellhole, she might decide to toss those out along with the email about yoga and Chelsea's wedding.

I also think there is much we don't know.

I'd say we know enough.

 

[JohnnyG]

Fine job of representing one side of the article. The same article also quotes "experts" who claim she followed the rules and broke no laws. So it's hardly as cut and dried as you are representing above.

Are you referring to this?

"Unless she violated a rule dealing with the handling of classified or sensitive but unclassified information, I don’t see how she violated any law or regulation," said Bass, who is now executive director of the Bauman Foundation.

I think it is rather clear now that she did violate the rules regarding classified information. Lacking the intelligence ability to identify classified information is not a defense.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yeah hillary's team probably just got caught up in some snafu when the cia and the rest of the intelligence community forgot to send their top secret data marked top secret and through the top secret server. Twice.

National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency plum FORGOT to follow protocols. And that is putting congenital liar Hillary's presidential ambitions in a quandry.

****. That reminds me I gotta update my subscription to media matters and my security clearance.

Hee hee!

 

[The Big Dog]

Remember when Hillary said that her cowboy homebrew server was at her place protected by the Secret Service?

Yeah, she lied. Again.

The server the FBI picked up was stored not at the Clinton's Chappaqua, N.Y. home, as many assumed, but at a data center in New Jersey.

Wow, she and her crew are scumbags.

 

[wareyin]

It wasn't at her home? You've been incorrectly calling it homebrew all this time? Imagine that.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Remember when Hillary said that her cowboy homebrew server was at her place protected by the Secret Service?

Yeah, she lied. Again.

The server the FBI picked up was stored not at the Clinton's Chappaqua, N.Y. home, as many assumed, but at a data center in New Jersey.

Wow, she and her crew are scumbags.

No, I don't remember when she said "her cowboy homebrew server was at her place".

Please link to the quote where she claimed that ?

 

[sunmaster14]

She claimed it in her first press conference after the scandal broke.

Ms. Clinton also confirmed that she used a mail server at her home in New York, which was also for former president Bill Clinton, “on property guarded by the Secret Service” — as if the primary risk was not cybertheft but rather burglars sneaking in to steal floppy disks.

ETA: Here is the transcript of Hillary's press conference:

CLINTON: Well, the system we used was set up for President Clinton's office. And it had numerous safeguards. It was on property guarded by the Secret Service. And there were no security breaches.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

She claimed it in her first press conference after the scandal broke.

ETA: Here is the transcript of Hillary's press conference:

CLINTON: Well, the system we used was set up for President Clinton's office. And it had numerous safeguards. It was on property guarded by the Secret Service. And there were no security breaches.


I don't see that it says "her cowboy homebrew server was at her place"

Do you really think it says that in your quote ????

 

[The Big Dog]

She claimed it in her first press conference after the scandal broke.

ETA: Here is the transcript of Hillary's press conference:

Hillary Clinton is a congenital liar.

It turns out that when she said that the server "was on property guarded by the Secret Service" she lied, unless the Secret Service set up a satellite office in a data center in Jersey. I'm sure we will get an update soonest from the media matters collective explaining just this, or maybe Hillary will come out and say that it all depends on what your definition of "was" was.

She also lied when she said she was turning over her server, she meant the empty server but not the server that the classified data was transferred to in 2013. Which now has classified information on it.

She's "cooperating"!

Her Campaign are the sleaziest group of scumballs I have ever seen.