codyjuneau
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I'll go one further and speculate that the cuts to his hand were what triggered the rage and temporary insanity that impelled him to attack Meredith so viciously.
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Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
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I'll go one further and speculate that the cuts to his hand were what triggered the rage and temporary insanity that impelled him to attack Meredith so viciously.
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codyjuneau
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.CodyJuneau!
You gotta be kiddin' me!!!
This is the last time I checked in to The ISF
before I turned off some old Devo albums like this 1,
Live in Seattle, that I was listenin' to on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_8M4UBQ44
and then hit the sack,
and you bring this up?
Please find that pic!
It totally makes sense!
No way that ol' Nara heard a scream emanating from another residence,
1 where the windows were not broken and the doors shoulda been closed,
and she then heard the perps runnin' in the dry leaves of Miss Kercher's driveway.
It supposedly had rained that night, or was that the night previously?
Nara heard the squeal of that broken down car bein' pulled up onto that flatbed!
I've heard this same sound before,
when an old 1964+1/2 Ford Mustang I once owned had it's brakes give out and I needed a tow,
there was nooooo way I was gonna let a regular tow truck tow that classic car back to "DogTown",
I wanted it loaded onto a flatbed!!!
I'll check back in the mornin',
I hope you, or someone else can find that flatbed pic of the tow truck!!!
RW
PS- Thanks for the congrats,
our Family is stoked at the moment,
although we think that the alleged perp will do it again.
The Detective says if he does it again, and we get CCTV vid from under the truck again,
he'll be totally f'-ed!
I'm probably gonna do some more all night surveillance once again this week.
The guy is a prick. And I bet that after doin' it 5 times,
he'll try 1 more time, because he's really pissed off now...
RW, the following link claims to have photos of the tow truck.
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/cctv-images-of-tow-truck/
There are two cameras involved. They either have their own time stamps, or they obtain a common time stamp from the central DVR computer that records the images. My guess is that they share a common time stamp, which is interesting because footage from the second camera, and any others also feeding that DVR, could help to nail down the exact offset required to correct the CCTV timestamps.
Photos 1 to 4 (time stamped 22:36:30.34 to 22:36:31.58) are from the CCTV camera at the entrance to the car park, which is the camera opposite the cottage's driveway. They apparently show the stationary broken down car, first with headlights on, and then with headlights off.
Photos 5 to 10 (time stamped 23:04:20.82 to 23:04:22.82, approximately 28 minutes later) are from the same camera. They apparently show the tow truck arriving, moving very slowly left to right on the far side of the road.
Photos 11 to 15 (time stamped 23:15:04.68 to 23:15:06.06, approximately 11 minutes later) are from a different CCTV camera which I believe is at the opposite end of the car park, again showing the tow truck travelling left to right, presumably heading back to the garage, having picked up the broken down car. Pay particular attention to photo 15.
Photos 16 to 19 (time stamped 23:15:38.63 to 23:15:46.29, approximately at the same time) are back at the CCTV camera at the entrance to the car park and appear to show a car going left to right and then stopping more or less diagonally in the middle of the road. I presume this is the car that was allegedly accompanying the broken down car.
The CCTV camera photos are not very clear. The tow truck looks to me like it has a flat deck but whether the truck is long enough to hold a euro car on top is difficult to determine.
HOWEVER, photo 15 shows the back end of the tow truck while he is (presumably) leaving the scene, and he is not towing anything. So the broken down car is either on his deck, or it fell off, or he never towed a car away.
I find it odd that there are no frames showing the tow truck actually preparing the broken down car for removal. The activity involved should have triggered the camera to record them.
Europe has a lot of small roads and small cars so the truck could have been like one of these European tow trucks which use a hydraulic hoist to pick the car up and set it on their truck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ffxheA0VvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBj1v4wpNMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYohI8TX0tc
If anybody knows the name and address of the garage that provided the tow truck we might be able to find a picture of it.
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whoanellie
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My understanding is that the type of cuts Rudy had are typically caused by the stabbing hand slipping on a bloody knife handle. I believe there already had to be a lot of blood and a lot of force for Rudy to be cut like that.
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From Lombardo's testimony (page 119):
This seems to be the website of the "Carrozzeria Ciabata".
On their "Servizi" page they have this picture:
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Strozzi
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Well, it has been established by Mignini, Massei, and Machiavelli that burglars would not enter through that window as it is an illogical point of entry (even by a youthful, slender semi-pro basketball player). Therefore, the landlady must have had it barred to prevent people from throwing (according to Vixen) boulders against the window. Those are not just ordinary window bars. Those are boulder bars!
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I have observed these kinds of tilt-bed trucks load a broken-down car. The flat bed (a steel or aluminum plate) slides backwards 5' or 10' and tilts to the ground to form a sloping ramp. A winch pulls the car onto and up the ramp/bed which then tilts level and slides forward. The important thing to note each and every time I have observed one in operation is that the sliding and tilting mechanism causes a loud and prolonged screech.
Vixen, would you agree it sounds from a distance through heavy windows like dried leaves?
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Thought this was an interesting tweet from Andrea Vogt:
Andrea Vogt @andreavogt Aug 10
Florence court to hear testimony in #amandaknox calumny trial Sept 7 from cops she says coerced her into falsely accusing Lumumba.
Wonder if any of those lying cowards has the cohones to show up in court? Wonder who their lawyer is? No wait, let me guess...
Andrea Vogt @andreavogt Aug 10
Florence court to hear testimony in #amandaknox calumny trial Sept 7 from cops she says coerced her into falsely accusing Lumumba.
Wonder if any of those lying cowards has the cohones to show up in court? Wonder who their lawyer is? No wait, let me guess...
Strozzi
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I think he was already viciously attacking her when his grip slipped.
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I am not sure what is going on with this? I have not been following this thread 100% but just kind of skimming.
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You scared me. I thought the sentence, "Wonder if any of those lying cowards...." was part of An-DREY-a's tweet.
Now that I'm back in the chair and off the floor, I realize it's from the carbonjam72 we all know and love.
It would be interesting to have competent lawyers cross-examine those gentlepeople. I'd speed-learn Italian just for that, including taking a comprehensive course in specifically Italian idiom and ridicule. Talk about craving to be a fly on the wall.
"Say, Ms. Donnino, what was your purpose in being there as a mediator instead of a translator?" Just for starters. I guess it all depends on the judge's willingness to allow wide latitude.
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We may well learn something interesting. Of course, the trial is a farce and will never conclude, but the ECHR case is live, real and may still be informed by testimony. I wonder if anybody will ask why Amanda had no lawyer and why, since there is no record of the interrogation, the court should not give additional weight to her claims - which is what the ECHR will do.
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I hope they use they Machiavelli defense:
We didn't suspect her of knifing Kercher; we just suspected her of being a person without an alibi, who, after imperatively initiating a meeting with the guy who we thought was the real suspect, escorted said suspect to the crime scene, gave him ingress, and hung around while he did the knifing.
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This is a frighteningly accurate summary of what Machiavelli means by someone having the legal status of, "strongly suspected." This legal status, although unmentioned in Italian legal code, apparently allows all the grilling of someone as if they were a suspect, but denies them the entitlements because at the same time they are "persons informed of the facts".
This is Machiavelli's reform of Italian legal code:
Persons informed of the facts.
Persons strongly informed of the facts.
Persons strongly suspected.
Suspects.
Persons strongly informed of the facts.
Persons strongly suspected.
Suspects.
They were only giving it a dry run in the Kercher case.
codyjuneau
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.whoanellie said:
Certainly possible nellie, but I think the wounds on Rudy's hand are also compatible with a right handed person trying to parry a knife held by another right handed person.
What I am trying to account for is the viciousness of the attack. Is Rudy capable of such an attack without anger?
I feel that substituting Meredith for the unknown stranger in Rudy's re-creation of the confrontation that happened when he came out of the bathroom might be closer to the truth.
My speculative scenario is that Meredith was in the main living area when she sensed that someone was in the second bathroom. She grabbed a sharp knife from the kitchen drying rack as a precaution and cautiously went towards the bathroom. Rudy appeared with his pants half down, per his story, and Meredith instinctively thrust the knife forward to deter him. Rudy, probably not even realizing she was holding a knife, grabbed for her hand as a token of friendship and was cut by the knife. The injury combined with the implicit rejection of him as a friend, illogical as it sounds, sparked his rage.
As I say, pure speculation. but how do you account for the viciousness of the attack? To me it resembles the violence too often inflicted in a fit of rage by jilted and jealous lovers.
Has anybody every tried to match the bed sheet knife print with one of the kitchen's knives?
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codyjuneau
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.Bill Williams said:
How about:
"If Miss Knox agrees to take a lie detector test about the interrogation will all you investigators agree to take one also?"
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I have thought that this is a possibility. Kercher seizes a knife to defend herself, Guede's hand injury is sustained taking the knife away. Kercher is bundled into her room, the escalating violence / struggle leads to a sexual assault, Kercher panics struggles and death results. In this scenario the murder weapon is a knife from the flat. As we know the police made no attempt to collect or test any knives from the crime scene.
There are criticeisms to this scenario, and little evidence to support it.
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Your hypothetical of Meredith grabbing a knife from her kitchen has no evidentiary support, but neither has many similar conjectures. Even so, I had to snicker over your highlighted comment above.
The only thing that seems beyond dispute is that Guede stabbed Meredith and then raped her.
Exactly how Guede entered the apartment is unknown. While Filomena's window is a possibility, Guede may have only thrown the rock thru her window to see if anyone was home, and subsequently entered another way, perhaps pushing Meredith thru the front door from behind as she unlocked her door.
Guede may have entered before Meredith and used the toilet before she got home, but maybe he used the toilet after the murder? Of course, the fact that they didn't find any blood in that bathroom implies Guede used that bathroom before the murder.
In short, you can certainly kick scenarios around, but one thing is certain, and that is that Guede killed Meredith, and Amanda & Raffaele weren't involved in Meredith's murder.
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Here's another gem, fresh from twitter:
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Andrea Vogt @andreavogt 2h2 hours ago
Nearly a dozen witnesses to testify in Sept #amandaknox calumny trial: interpreters, Aussie-Italian English-speaking cop & others.
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(courtesy demarcation line to keep Bill from falling out of his chair again).
Looks like a party of the prosecutor, who's bringing the party hats?
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