Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Nice!
I hope that you get what you dream of,
girl!

If ya ever get to L.A.
drop me a note.
If ya know how to swim, just put on a cute lil' bikini
+ I'll take ya surfin' and push you into some waves here in the waters off Hollywood...

But with that said,
I gotta wonder what was Antonio Curatolo dreamin',
err thinkin' about on the night of Nov. 1st, 2007,
while high on heroin
???

Maybe wishin' he was on the beach,
wearin' board shorts as I do daily + checkin' out the babes
and dreamin' of some of our warm California sunshine
as he spent a cold Fall night outside on a park bench?

Gosh,
I hope the old geezer stayed warm that night.

Heck,
I've read that Vixen,
well you'se be a bettin' kinda woman,
ain't that right?

I'd betcha that ol' Toto,
high on heroin that night,
saw and heard the commotion when the black dude
bumped into Alessandra Formica's guy pal around 10:30pm that night on those nearby steps.

He just did not wanna tell the Massei Court this.

I also betcha that ol' "Toto" heard and saw the tow truck driver workin' on the broken down car around 11:00pm.

He just did not wanna tell the Massei Court this.

And I betcha ol' "Toto" did hear that loud blood curdling' scream that made some ol' lady's skin crawl
from behind the safety of her double paned windows. And he did hear them dry leaves a rustlin' too...

He just did not wanna tell the Massei Court this.

Odd how ol' "Toto" did not apparently hear
whatever it was that caused many normal folks to look towards Meredith's apartment on that chilly November night:
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I betcha that whatever it was that caused these folks
to look towards Meredith's apartment on a holiday evening
was related to her rape + murder.

Whatdoya think,
Vixen?


IMV People generally stop and turn around if:

a) there's been a car crash.

b) someone's being arrested by the police.

c) there's a mighty loud argument going on.

Y'know I was in British Library t'other day, third floor, quadrupled glazed, well off bustling Euston Road, yet I could STILL hear the hum of traffic and piercing police/ambulance sirens.

Get rid of the idea you can't hear anything behind double glazing. Anyway, she wasn't double-glazed.

Very tempted to visit California and go surfing. Sadly, I've never worn a bikini in my life. Do come and enjoy some skinny dipping, after a hot sauna, in the Baltic Sea, if you ever get the chance!
 
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If true, that is really scary that they would cover it up

well since deep conspiracies flourish here, why not the local Albanian mafia calling the shots. Pretty clearly Koko was involved with them and maybe they had enough power to alter the course. It also explains why Rudi would never tell the truth.

What was Koko doing there with two phones? Why did he run to Albania and on return volunteer to give his story? He was there with a (getaway) car. Maybe he and the other guy were showing Rudi how to become a burglar to add to his fencing skills :p
 
Personally, I find it hard to believe that these people heard a scream. The murder was all over the news immediately. If you had heard a scream, wouldn't you have contacted the authorities the moment you head there was a murder there?

Well, well. I agree completely. Maybe there is something that's triggered at the same point. IIRC they all turn their heads at just about the exact same place. Where are the shots of someone turned around twenty feet closer to the entrance?
 
well since deep conspiracies flourish here, why not the local Albanian mafia calling the shots. Pretty clearly Koko was involved with them and maybe they had enough power to alter the course. It also explains why Rudi would never tell the truth.

What was Koko doing there with two phones? Why did he run to Albania and on return volunteer to give his story? He was there with a (getaway) car. Maybe he and the other guy were showing Rudi how to become a burglar to add to his fencing skills :p

I consider the conviction of Amanda and Raff more likely idiocy, confirmation bias, and maybe a bit of noble corruption.
 
Rudi's semen wouldn't been a problem for them. An unknown or not RS,RG or GS would have been a big problem. Just imagine it was some other guy, how would they fit that into the room scenario. What makes you think it wasn't tested? Steffi's or Comodi's word?

It probably was tested and deemed inconsequential.
 
It probably was tested and deemed inconsequential.

Then why wasn't it given to the defence in discovery? A presumed semen sample in a case of rape or sexual assault is tested and not disclosed! Ever heard of that before? Um...Nor me.
 
It probably was tested and deemed inconsequential.

Yes. Yes. The Pope crack head of the ICSI decided not to reveal the results. My guess is that since it was actually visible and surely hadn't been bleached and wasn't exposed to UV that a very precise profile was/is there. How could it be inconsequential?

Come up with that knife with no blood but DNA of the victim yet? Also how could something stuck in a VISIBLE scratch be so small that it registered too low repeatedly?
 
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So why even use luminal then?

Surely you 2 fine folks do not suggest that Foxy Knoxy and [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE] cleaned up every spec of blood in Meredith's shower,
yet forgot the easily seen blood drops on the bathroom sink + nevermind that bathmat, right?

Why wasn't any smeared blood,
(like what is shown up above on the table pic),
ever found to have been wiped up from inside Meredith's flat?

If lots of bleach was used,
why didn't the flat reek of it, in the bathroom, the hallway, or from inside Meredith's locked bedroom?

I seem to recall a cop stating that [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE]'s flat reeked of bleach after he was arrested, right?
Odd that Meredith's flat did not, and it was only hours after a massive clean-up occurred,
as you pro-guilt folks sometimes mention...


Interesting stuff:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/luminol.htm
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http://www.bluestar-forensic.com/index.php


The luminol reacts with the iron element in red blood cells to cause a brief flash of luminescence that can be caught on night camera. It also reacts with fresh bleach, to show a generalised glow. IOW, if you've stepped in blood and then thought you cleaned it off with ammonium hydrochlorite (?), altho' the red colour might have bleached out, a feint outline of the iron in the footprint may still remain, hence the usefulness of luminol, much more sensitive than TMB.

However, if the killers did a search on google, they might have discovered that using the peroxide type of bleach instead, such as Vanish, then no incriminating iron from blood can be found, as it has been oxidized in the cleaning up.

The footprints found by cops by luminol were so sporadic, police believed the perp/s must have had special knowledge in how to clean up blood.

As I said before, Rudy would need to be an Olympic World Record Triple Jump gold medallist, to have left the footprints found, such were the wide gaps betwen them.

So, Randy, how do you explain that?
 
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Then why wasn't it given to the defence in discovery? A presumed semen sample in a case of rape or sexual assault is tested and not disclosed! Ever heard of that before? Um...Nor me.

Trying to not disclose evidence is far too common in cases. I can think of many cases off the top of my head where this is an issue.
 
I think that Rudi's semen would have been a big problem for them: Not even these crackpots could build a scenario where Rudy was raping a dying woman, regardless of who stabbed her, and someone other than Rudy is responsible.
Can you think of such a scenario?
I think that the Rudy semen under the victim makes it a slam dunk for his being a single perp.
And yes, I agree, they probably did test it and find it was from Rudy and that led to opposing all tests to identify it correctly

The idea police suppressed DNA they knew to be Rudy's is so crazy bonkers, I wonder if we are on the same planet?
 
well since deep conspiracies flourish here, why not the local Albanian mafia calling the shots. Pretty clearly Koko was involved with them and maybe they had enough power to alter the course. It also explains why Rudi would never tell the truth.

What was Koko doing there with two phones? Why did he run to Albania and on return volunteer to give his story? He was there with a (getaway) car. Maybe he and the other guy were showing Rudi how to become a burglar to add to his fencing skills :p

Mez' death had the hallmarks of a planned execution (except the carotid vein was missed), it could have been mafia revenge for a drug deal debt, and Mez was the mistaken victim. However, Amanda, as the real druggie, didn't seem too rattled by the idea.

Most likely, Koko's gang, having a strange gangsters morality*, were very disapproving of what happened to kind, English, funny, beautiful, Mez, and Koko got the jitters about being associated with it.

*The Kray twins in England were happy to indulge in murder and mayhem, but insisted in helping little old ladies across the road.
 
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Koko?

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Regardless I don't see the semen even if Rudi's proving a single perp.

I think they tested it and it was from the real accomplice.


well since deep conspiracies flourish here, why not the local Albanian mafia calling the shots. Pretty clearly Koko was involved with them and maybe they had enough power to alter the course. It also explains why Rudi would never tell the truth.

What was Koko doing there with two phones? Why did he run to Albania and on return volunteer to give his story? He was there with a (getaway) car. Maybe he and the other guy were showing Rudi how to become a burglar to add to his fencing skills :p


Hi Grinder, and everyone else,
Some of you know that I believe that a knife handle
was bloodily imprinted on Stefano's bed downstairs.
From Rudy? Or someone else?

Rudy used 2 knives?
1 to murder Meredith and 1 to stab the cat?
:confused:

Some of us believe still that another person could have been there,
but he bailed and left before Rudy.


Say Rudy was already broken in and climbed up inside of Meredith's flat,
his bro was either in the carpark or loitering near or in the darkened cottage driveway,
keepin' a look-out.

Here comes Meredith.
What's he gonna do?

Rudy's on the toilet.
Maybe he left a light on, he said that Meredith said "Anybody here?"

Maybe she saw Rudy and he did not attack her,
but she let him out, just like Christian T. probably did,
when he had to unlock the front door.

What if Rudy's buddy got involved at some point then,
either outside on the driveway, inside or downstairs?
Maybe Meredith was forced downstairs at 1 point,
and outside, she started screaming,
people in the carpark on CCTV heard?

Rudy and bro got her back upstairs + inside her room and tried to rape her,
she resisted, and pissed off 1 of them, he stabbed her.

If that is an imprint from a bloody knife handle downstairs,
it's different than the bloody knife handle imprint seen on Meredith's bed...

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This murder we discuss made headlines, and scared people.
Some of the foreign students in Perugia at the time knew Meredith, and Rudy Guede too.
Don't you think that they would have told this to their friends and parents back home?
Sure...


This below is from the Comments section of Old Perugia Shock,
it's worth repeating for anyone who wants to keep an open mind:

IsaKelle said:
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The reason I follow this case so closely from New Zealand, apart from that I am married to an Italian and have family near Perugia, is that we currently have a 21yo son studying at the UOF Perugia and also he is studying and playing professional soccer under an exceptional Italian coach.

He met Meredith on a few occasions and like the rest of the students in Perugia was completely shocked and upset about this evil murder that happened in their midst.

He and his fellow soccer students were interviewed by the Perugia police working on the case asking about Rudy Guede whom had unfortunately been at a party in their apartment one or two nights after the murder and just before he disappeared. I reported on the Seattle PI blog that the police were looking for 'RG' before it became released to the public because of what happened to my son and his friends.

I asked my son if he or his friends were ever offered drugs by Guede and he said no, never, but that Guede hung around with a very dodgy Italian guy who was a very furtive character and not friendly as Guede was with them and that none of them liked this guy at all and that he was very creepy. This so called friend of Guede's is the one that dealt the drugs and was always scamming for money. My son also assured me they never took drugs from this strange guy and I sincerely hope not.

My son and his fellow students in Perugia feel strongly that this guy could be implicated in the murder along with Guede, and hence our theory that Guede may have been threatened in some way to ensure his silence.
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Much still to learn about what really went on that awful night.
Salute.

January 20, 2008 12:25 AM

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Another comment:

IsaKelle said.
"Yes, let's wait and see what transpires with this mystery person who I forget to mention in my earlier post disappeared from Perugia after the murder.
Regards the possible threat from this person, I think if there was a threat it was only to Guede. There may be the same situation that we had with Guede were we knew who he was several days before he was picked up, if the police release a name of this suspect then he may strike according to his threat, maybe this explains also why the police do not release a name. Anyway all this only conjecture at this point.

Guede at the very least is guilty of rape and/or sexual battery, there is no way it was consensual and of course for abandoning an injured and dying person, these crimes he will definitely serve time for. Regards the other two it is still a matter that we have to wait and see what new evidence transpires as we all know what they have at the moment is very confusing and sometimes conflicting. The police seem very confident of their case against them so far.
In answer to 'InnocentUPG', my son just said this guy was always scamming for money to which I went into a mothers lecture about locking up always his valuables, laptop, apartment etc, never walk home by himself at night and develop a buddy system where all friends look out for one another if the are in a messy condition after partying etc.

I don't know anything of the guys
downstairs and their relationships etc apart from what I have read same as everyone else. To me a striking point is that all other occupants of the house were absent on that night, indicating some sort of 'inside' knowledge and for the murder to have occured on that night.
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January 20, 2008 7:56 PM
 
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More Koko...

I seem to recall that Koko was arrested for drug possession, right?

Sure.

Found these lil' gems:
February 2009 – ‘Superwitness’ Hekuran Kokomani arrested for 8 grams of cocaine.
http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/articoli/articolo441501.shtml

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Eight grams of pure cocaine in the US and Europe fetches around $1000.

That’s a lot to have on hand for just a user. It suggests he might be both a user and a dealer - he does drive a nice car (a VW Golf) and he sends money home to his family in Albania.
 
Just a lil' more Koko, please...

So when was Koko arrested for drug possession, or was that drug sales?
Was he imprisoned Before or After he testified against Miss Knox and Mr. Sollecito?

A quick look says he was busted on Feb. 13, 2009.
Just a few weeks before he was to testify against the 2 lovebirds
in March of 2009.

I wonder if he was imprisoned so as to remind him how much he valued his freedom?(*)
Mighta made the dude keep his story true.

Gosh,
being busted for drugs sales and imprisoned
prior to giving helpful courtroom testimony for the PM
kinda reminds me of another "Super Witness", ol' Toto,
at The Hellmann Appeal Trial,
right?


(*) - I can see Koko wantin' to stay outta prison,
heck, I just also found out about this:
Sometime between May and September 2008,
Kokomani is arrested and incarcerated for beating his girlfriend.
:jaw-dropp
 
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IMV People generally stop and turn around if:

a) there's been a car crash.

b) someone's being arrested by the police.

c) there's a mighty loud argument going on.

Y'know I was in British Library t'other day, third floor, quadrupled glazed, well off bustling Euston Road, yet I could STILL hear the hum of traffic and piercing police/ambulance sirens. Get rid of the idea you can't hear anything behind double glazing. Anyway, she wasn't double-glazed.
Very tempted to visit California and go surfing. Sadly, I've never worn a bikini in my life. Do come and enjoy some skinny dipping, after a hot sauna, in the Baltic Sea, if you ever get the chance!

Um. The window (Filomena's room) was broken. Nobody heard it break. It doesn't matter who broke it: staged, or Guede. It was broken. Nobody heard it break. Filomena's window was pointing ~90° away from the car-park.

Meredith's window was ~180° away. How did you get that wrong? TWICE? After you were told? Just look on a map. Her window pointed out to blue-sky. Over a forested valley.

Meredith's window wasn't double-paned? It essentially was TRIPLE-paned. Outside shutters. Window. Inside shutters.

Note YOUR THEORY that Meredith's body was slightly moved so that the car-park people couldn't see her was wrong on so many points.

• Her body was moved [a few inches] from the corner of her inside-closet (hard to see her from the window there) to the middle of the tiny room (easier to see her from the window), where it would be easier to undress her and rape her dying body. Just like Rudy Herman Guede did.

• Why would somebody move her to not be seen from the window? Just shut either one of the shutters! Dude, YOU have claimed, right here on this forum, that you were the proof-reader of [your] book. What did you ever proof? Seriously! You get virtually EVERYTHING wrong! Easy to look up stuff, too.

• The window faces out into empty space! It is just as close to the car-park to go in either direction (it's directly behind where the window is aiming).

Other things that you could note if you ever looked at a plan-view of the cottage, upper floor, which you've gotten wrong.

• Your long tirade about how Amanda didn't notice the feces in the big-bathroom's toilet while she blow-dried her hair. Look at the Plan-view, dude! That long bathroom is two rooms. With a door between. The toilet / shower room; and the mirror, washing-machine, hot water heater ante-chamber. (there was no dryer: all the more reason for Meredith to take out her clothes as soon as she got home. But she didn't. From ~9 PM til Minight. She just left them there. Mildewing. Rudely, even. Somebody else might want to use the washer. But, apparently, you belive that Meredith was a selfish slob.

• You wondered why Amanda didn't turn on her lamp when she got home that morning? Look at the map! In the morning, the east sun was shining right through the glass door.

• You thought that the balcony was underneath both Amanda's and Meredith's windows? Look at the map! Do some proofing! Please! No. It isn't.

You thought that Amanda shimmied out on a ledge to look through Meredith's window? (Shutter, really). There is no ledge! She looked out from over the railing on the balcony.

Where did you do your proofing?

Please tell us ONE THING THAT YOU PROOFED? One thing that you had changed for having your name on that [your] book. Just ONE!

After being schooled so easily, and after the author found out that he was so easily wrong so often, and his proof-reader completely failed him (IMHO), did he ask for his money back? Did you apologize? Since it is just an e-book, written in a month, did you show him his/your obvious errors, and just fix tthem? It would be easy! We'll help you! For Free, even!
 
I reported the above post. Not because I think it is inappropriate, I thought it was OK, but marginal. However, the moderators may not and I was hoping that they might provide some guidance instead of suspending a bunch of people if they happen to respond to the post or say something along a similar vein.
 
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Y'know I was in British Library t'other day, third floor, quadrupled glazed, well off bustling Euston Road, yet I could STILL hear the hum of traffic and piercing police/ambulance sirens.
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Wow,
excellent hearing Vixen!

But I have to ask,
did you hear any one running in dry leaves too?

What,
you did not know that ol' Nara C. heard running in the leaves?
No, not from down below her apartment, but from across the parking lot,
across the highway, in the driveway of Miss Kercher's cottage.


Have a quick read
Testimony from The Massei Trial:

GM:
Did you hear any noises? ?

NC:
Then while I was going back to go to bed, I still hadn't done that, I heard noises, running on the metal stairway and running on the gravel, among the leaves, because it was in winter still, among the leaves and the gravel path of the apartment, of the cottage that is.

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Heck,
maybe it was someone runnin' thru the dry leaves that caught everybodys attention
on those OGGI CCTV images...
 
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Wow,
excellent hearing Vixen!

But I have to ask,
did you hear any one running in dry leaves too?

What,
you did not know that ol' Nara C. heard running in the leaves?
No, not from down below her apartment, but from across the parking lot,
across the highway, in the driveway of Miss Kercher's cottage.


Have a quick read
Testimony from The Massei Trial:

GM:
Did you hear any noises? ?

NC:
Then while I was going back to go to bed, I still hadn't done that, I heard noises, running on the metal stairway and running on the gravel, among the leaves, because it was in winter still, among the leaves and the gravel path of the apartment, of the cottage that is.

* * *

Heck,
maybe it was someone runnin' thru the dry leaves that caught everybodys attention
on those OGGI CCTV images...

Nara hearing leaves, seems like she's fantasizing a scene and then imagining what she's hearing.

Crazy elderly half-deaf lady, one more tragic tramp witness in Mignini's vagabond circus.
 
I just volunteered!
The Oggi article was apparently published June 4, 2014.

From a post by MichaelB, June 5, 2014

Summary: The investigators didn't find anything relevant because they stated that the people that appeared in the video were not recognizable, whereas the article says there are some pictures that are very clear. Between 21 and 22 hours it captures 37 people, and all those captured between 21:31 and 21:52 all do the same thing once they go past the barrier – they stop and look to their left towards the entrance to the car park, i.e. towards Meredith’s house. There is a family of father, mother and two children. They stop, the mother looks to the left, then one of the girls, then both girls. They seem to discuss something. In the end, they go away. The couple that passed just before them had done the same thing. What got their attention? What did they see or hear? Why were they never questioned?


Oggi Original Article:
http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/...108_653088601411224_7354278274572477096_o.jpg


From another post of MichaelB:
Oggi article translation.

Perugia. Does the truth lie in this forgotten video?

There are 2,068 registered files the evening of the murder and they have never been analysed in depth. In one there is a worrying finding. It has a resounding similarity.

By Giangavino Sulas

In the investigation into the murder of Meredith Kercher there is a DVD, which till now has inexplicably been ignored. It contains 2,068 files made the night of 1st November 2007 by the surveillance telecamera, placed at the entrance to the Sant’Antonio carpark in Perugia. It was seized by the flying squad and consigned to the Scientific Police for analysis of the recorded images for the hours preceeding and following the murder. This telecamera in fact not only captures the entrance to the parking lot, but also the entrance gate to the house in via Della Pergola from across the road. Having finished its work, the Scientific Police, in the account given to the Prosecutor, did not indicate anything relevant, on account of the poor quality of the images and the difficulty in identifying the people taken. And yet there are worrying images taken a little before 10pm, which were missed by the eyes of the enquirers. Very sharp images, among which not only are the people recognisable and potentially identifiable, but all show the same strange behaviour. Between 21.00 and 22.00, the telecamera recorded the entry into the car park of 37 people. All those captured between 21.31 and 21.52 passing the entrance barrier show the same reaction; they stop to look to the left, towards the entrance of the carpark, in other words towards the entrance to Meredith’s house. In several images we see a small family, consisting of father, mother, and two children stop; first the mother turns, then one of the children, then both together. They seem to be discussing something. Finally they go away. The couple who passed before them had the same reaction. What attracted their attention? What was happening during those minutes? Had they heard screams? Had they heard someone screaming for help? Had they seen someone running away? Why were these people not identified and questioned?
In the first trial process the hour of the murder was established based on the evidence of Nara Capezzali, an elderly lady who lived in via Della Pergola (actually strictly incorrect – overlooking it, DCA). She said that she went to sleep at around 21.00, and awoke, for physiological reasons (ie to get up for a pee!, DCA) at around 23.00. She said that on the night of 1st November 2007 when she awoke she heard a harrowing scream. The Perugia Court that condemned Raffaele and Amanda established that the emission of this scream could only have been because Meredith had been stabbed. Had the persons who entered the parking lot heard the same scream, but at a different time (ie from that stated by Capezzali)? Opening a new inquiry the investigators should be able to identify and question them.

Was this a dereliction of duty?
Then there is an image which could change the fate of Amanda. It shows a girl with a shoulder bag and a calm expression who has passed the entrance barrier of the carpark, from where one can pass to the old centre of the city. If this was really Amanda, this picture would become her alibi. It provides the time as indicated on the same telecamera; 20.53. In reality the exact time is different, 21.05, because the time recorded throughout is 12 minutes early. But the English student was murdered between 21.00 and 22.30. This was established in the last judgement of the Appeal Court of Assizes of Florence. Amanda therefore would have been going away from her house five minutes after Meredith’s return. For this reason she could not have taken part in the murder, cleaned herself up and washed, and got back to the Piazza Grimana, where then the tramp Antonio Curatolo saw her, in the company of Raffaele, from 21.30 to 23.30. In order to accuse her once more it would be necessary to change the time of the murder. And if the tramp Antonio Curatolo remains a credible witness, as the Court in Florence maintained, Meredith’s murder has to be moved forward by at least three hours. In fact it would be necessary to do the whole trial again. But in order to redo the trial the Prosecutor of Perugia would need first to open the investigation by reason of dereliction of duty by the Police, to explore why these other pictures, which we are publishing exclusively, were never shown to the examining magistrates by the Scientific Police, who had been given the task of examining the contents of that telecamera. Will they do this? The prosecutors Giuliano Mignini and Manuela Comodi for now prefer silence.

If instead the girl caught on camera at 21.05 was not Amanda, this image would not invalidate her alibi: she and Raffaele have in fact always maintained that they never went out that night. They did not go to via Della Percola, nor to the centre or any local place. They watched a film on the computer, smoked a joint, made love and went to sleep. If they had gone into Meredith’s house they could not have avoided the telecamera of the Sant’Antonio carpark, just as didn’t Guede or for the same reason Meredith did not do.

‘Oggi’, in November 20121, already published an image from 21.00 on November 1st, in which one sees a girl with a white jacket like Meredith’s who is going towards via della Pergola. In two other cameras they caught at 19.40 and 20.10, a man who could have been Rudy Guede, leaving the carpark towards the house of the murder, which, by his own admission, he entered at 20.30, half an hour before Meredith arrived. How he entered the flat, the President of the Court of Florence did not know, and he has said that it is unimportant. The return of the English girl at 21.00 was confirmed by the testimony of her friend Sophie Purton who accompanied her for part of the way (home). Also in those videos there is no trace of Amanda and Raffaele
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You folks had some great discussion on this new CCTV info,
here's a place to start refreshing anyone's memory:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274219&highlight=oggi&page=214

So another piece of evidence that the prosecution preferred not to follow up on. Identifying the witnesses and confirming a scream, might cast doubt on a later time of death.

And the window is 21 minutes (not just 8 minutes) of visual tape showing people hearing something. From 21:43 to 22:04 (accounting for a 12 minute lag in the clock).

Police at least should have followed up.

Instead, they closed the investigation at 8 months, about 2 months after they had their crop of super witnesses harvested by the cub reporter.
 
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