Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Diocletus]

The burden of proof is on those who assert that something exists.

A compelling demonstration of the suppressed evidence has been laid out and published. Stefanoni's crooked activities are at least as definite as the existence of black holes.

Of course, if she disagrees, then she will publish the EDFs, and after she does that, she can disprove black holes by driving right through one.

 

[Diocletus]

Nah, I saw a bunch of "mistakes" in the report.

You should look at the quantification results for the mop. Really, you should.

Here you go, look at 168b: http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/bra-clasp-contamination/

There are 200 picograms in there. Obviously, that's not negative, right? And, obviously, Stefanoni would amplify that, right? And there is a missing amplification serial number, 689, that corresponds perfectly with it, right?

So where's the egram for 689?

PS, check out egram no. 950. That a 35 picogram sample. And, the ensuing egram is more robust than the egram for 36b.

 

[js202]

A compelling demonstration of the suppressed evidence has been laid out and published. Stefanoni's crooked activities are at least as definite as the existence of black holes.

Of course, if she disagrees, then she will publish the EDFs, and after she does that, she can disprove black holes by driving right through one.

Yes, and of course his would-be gauntlet is just another example of fascistic argumentation. I note no expectation of a similar burden when he goes about rabidly defending halfwits and loons of the State the likes of Mignini and Stefanoni.

 

[Grinder]

When someone destroys evidence in the US we do something about it. I think the Italians should suspend Steffi from the next four murder cases.

 

[LondonJohn]

When someone destroys evidence in the US we do something about it. I think the Italians should suspend Steffi from the next four murder cases.

And Mignini should lose his first round draft pick of glamorous female (but entirely unqualified for the role and improperly drafted in from hundreds of miles away over the heads of local choices) forensic crime scene examiners. That really would be "Deflategate" for Mignini

 

[LondonJohn]

What's the problem? That's the stuff that usually happens when you have a gross miscarriage of justice resulting in a notorious wrongful conviction. Actually, I think the crooked authorities have gotten off lightly so far.

And it's a near certainty that they will never properly be brought to account. Italy is self-evidently appallingly bad at sorting out the endemic institutionalised problems in its criminal justice system, and the ways in which the system can easily be "gamed" by unscrupulous police and prosecutors. And if Italy is so bad at that, then it's a virtual impossibility that the miscreants and felons within the system will ever be made properly accountable.

Even if (when) the ECHR issues an excoriating indictment in regard to the Knox criminal slander conviction (and perhaps also makes a number of points related to the human rights breaches associated with the murder convictions), Italy will shrug and move on. Proper countries would instigate inquiries with serious, measurable, legally-binding outcomes (including moves to charge and try if appropriate). Italy won't though.

 

[Grinder]

Mach is right about the DNA not being that big of a deal. While most here don't find that the amount of DNA "found" of MK's on the knife was tiny, somewhere in the range of 1/500,000 to 1/100,000 of a grain of normal kitchen salt, and was found "stuck" in a striation only Stef could see making it much larger, than what was "found" in terms of the "DNA" sample that was "too low" for the machine.

Who cares about the disclosures? I don't need no stinkin' EDFs to know the DNA is worthless. To date no one has produced even one example of a murder knife with DNA of the victim but tested negative for blood. It wasn't the type of knife the police announced did the murder.

 

[acbytesla]

Stefanoni was not "destroyed". She was promoted. She secured a conviction for Amanda and Raff.

I actually agree with this to a point. She was promoted and EXACTLY for 4images reason Stef was a good soldier.

Her reputation on the other hand was destroyed.

 

[acbytesla]

Hellmann is on the highway to jail. Mark my words.

Yeah, that's reliable. You're right about as often as a broken watch.

 

[Bill Williams]

The burden of proof is on those who assert that something exists.

A compelling demonstration of the suppressed evidence has been laid out and published. Stefanoni's crooked activities are at least as definite as the existence of black holes.

Of course, if she disagrees, then she will publish the EDFs, and after she does that, she can disprove black holes by driving right through one.

In a stunning display of hypocrisy, Machiavelli gives the reason why the raw data needs to be turned over to the court, and hence to the defence to establish full disclosure.

The prosecution is asserting that the DNA convicts AK and RS. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that that is a good conviction, and the raw data does that. Or not.

 

[Matthew Best]

Yeah, that's reliable. You're right about as often as a broken watch.

I think you're being generous. After all a broken watch is right twice a day - I've seen no sign of anything like that degree of accuracy from Vixen.

 

[Bill Williams]

I pointed out numerous lies about Stefanoni. We are not talking about "criticism", we are talking about lies. They include mystifications, misquotes, unsupported wild assertions, misrepresenting testimonies. We can obviously respond, we did so, and I debunked many pro-Knox silliness many times. But it's not a problem of criticism, it's lies, but in addition to that there is also a massive attitude by pro-Knoxes to arrogantly claim that someone is dishonest beause allegedly violated their beliefs about law, what they believe other sovereign systems should comply with.
Even the very idea that one can argue for "innocence" by bringing "criticism" of Stefanoni, is itself a dishonest, arrogant delusional idea.

Ok, you pointed at them, and proceeded to call them lies. One was that "Dr." Stefanoni had a Ph.D. You also said this.....

The burden of proof is on those who assert that something exists.

Well......... does this phantom Ph.D. exist or are you going to reverse the burden of proof? When it suits you.

 

[acbytesla]

Oh, no. Not her morals.

The rest, yes. But it is only responses to pro-Knoxes arguments, and it's within their racist defamatory campaign.
The truth can't be stopped, and you can't do anyhing about it.

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are quite disgusting charachters anyway even independently from their being guilty, this is quite manifest. My human contempt for most members of the the pro-Knox crowd does not help very much communication with them, but if you want to discuss about why Knox and Sollecito are disgusting, just call.

My focus is the Kerchers, not Knox. And the truth. I observe the defamatory campaign of those liars against decent people, I well know who will pay. I feel very strong an well, and I know what I am up to. If talking about sweet evening light is your way to tell me you are only interested in protecting murderers and don't care about the rest, I already know that.

The sad part is you are 100% ignorant of the characters of Amanda Knox independent from the case and you know it. Your opinion of them is entirely dependent on your misguided belief in their guilt. That is the part that is disgusting. Both of these young people are upstanding quality human beings. Both kind, polite and respectful of others. Neither has EVER demonstrated anything to the contrary.

Their true characters have been exposed through this entire ordeal. Yet you have your eyes shut and your mind made up. Sad.

 

[Diocletus]

My focus is the Kerchers, not Knox.

Yeah, right.

 

[Kauffer]

"rife"? Only because Stefanoni told you about one?

And the pro-Knox ravings instead are accurate and credible testimony, I suppose.

The burden of proof is on those who assert that something exists.
In this case, the defence is "someone" who did not attend the tests, who did not access the laboratory data over the eight months during which they were invited to to so.
The defence who backtracked from requesting raw data, Pascali limiting his requests, and Bongiorno admitting the defence didn't request raw data.
The same defence who didn'tsubmit any preliminary instance to Massei court in order to obtain documentation.
The same defence who didn't submit any request to the Supreme Court.
The same defence who failed to explain Massei why they thought raw data were necessary, and why they couldn't ask for them before.
The same defence who did not submit any preliminary request to have raw data to the Hellmann court, and who did not make any request of documentation to the Hellmann court even orally throughout the whole appeal trial.

They believe something exists, and it was hidden from them?
Then let them ask some court to investigate, let them submit a complaint.
Or you think otherwise they are "credible" ?

You mean like blood in the TMB negative cottage samples? Or, the availability of all the control samples? Or proof of what Amanda and Raffaele actually said in interrogation and under what circumstances including proof that Mignini asked no questions and merely took dictation?

 

[acbytesla]

Delete

 

[acbytesla]

I think you're being generous. After all a broken watch is right twice a day - I've seen no sign of anything like that degree of accuracy from Vixen.

I was giving her the benefit of the doubt. After all, we're not with her 24/7.

 

[carbonjam72]

The sad part is you are 100% ignorant of the characters of Amanda Knox independent from the case and you know it. Your opinion of them is entirely dependent on your misguided belief in their guilt. That is the part that is disgusting. Both of these young people are upstanding quality human beings. Both kind, polite and respectful of others. Neither has EVER demonstrated anything to the contrary.

Their true characters have been exposed through this entire ordeal. Yet you have your eyes shut and your mind made up. Sad.

And also feels entitled to attack their characters in social media for years on end, spewing fantastic unsupported narratives.

And then, say he knows, "who will pay".

Not just sad. troubling, and frankly, imo, shows a criminal tendency. As misguided as terrorists.

 

[js202]

And also feels entitled to attack their characters in social media for years on end, spewing fantastic unsupported narratives.

And then, say he knows, "who will pay".

Not just sad. troubling, and frankly, imo, shows a criminal tendency. As misguided as terrorists.

No doubt there is, at a minimum, a freakish tendency on the part of such individuals. Confronted with the relentlessly persistent and prolific application of such behavior over years, it strains one's imagination what sort of flesh and bones individual may exist behind the keyboard.

Note that the Ergons of the world have made a sort of martyr out of the obsessive miscreant Brenda Leyland. Possessing such a skewed sense of reality and a profoundly unbalanced existence, presumably it's a necessary defense mechanism.

 

[acbytesla]

And also feels entitled to attack their characters in social media for years on end, spewing fantastic unsupported narratives.

And then, say he knows, "who will pay".

Not just sad. troubling, and frankly, imo, shows a criminal tendency. As misguided as terrorists.

This is what happens when people get obsessed. I have yet to read a threatening post by a Knox supporter. I'm sure a few may have been made in the heat of emotion. In contrast, I've read many threatening posts by the guilt crowd. Even death threats.

Machiavelli has invested years as well as part of his soul in these hateful exercises. The fact that all of it has unraveled and he's lost has been difficult for him. I think he's afraid of the reform that Italy's legal system needs so badly.