Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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acbytesla said:
Did you miss the FINAL DECISION? My position is not only the majority position on this forum, it is the one codified by the courts. The delusion is with those that see them as guilty. The world now sees them as vindicated, exonerated, innocent, not guilty and wrongly prosecuted. Your position is the one that has been marginalized and thought of as WRONG.

Get use to it.
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1. Appealing to the crowd.
2. Appealing to authority.
3. Mountbanking.
4. Grandstanding.
5. Point scoring.
6. A factual falsehood. They have not been "exonerated", "vindicated" nor "found innocent".

Not a single iota of logical reasoning there.
 
Vixen said:
I wouldn't call someone who brutally wrenched Mez' arms behind her back, dislocating her shoulder to render her arm immobile, yanked her hair out, thrust a large kitchen knife into her neck and then thrust it up twice more in a sawing motion, applied strangulation to break her hyoid bone, inflicted over 23 cuts and 20 sundry bruises, making her kneel, watching her choke on her own blood and die slowly in agony for up to fifteen minutes, perform perverted acts before and after, including stripping her clothes off and posing her body on a pillow, "a gentle soul".

You must surely jest.
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Amanda managed to do all that while leaving a burglars DNA in the victims genitals after she was stripped, and the burglar's bloody shoeprints around the body, and the burglar's bloody hand print on the very same pillow case she was dragged onto and assaulted on. Wow! :jaw-dropp Amanda isn't a gentle soul, a metamorphosing monster is more like it.
 
acbytesla said:
Did you miss the FINAL DECISION? My position is not only the majority position on this forum, it is the one codified by the courts. The delusion is with those that see them as guilty. The world now sees them as vindicated, exonerated, innocent, not guilty and wrongly prosecuted. Your position is the one that has been marginalized and thought of as WRONG.

Get use to it.
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You will get used to learning that reality is very different.
 
Machiavelli said:
You will get used to learning that reality is very different.
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We're all quaking in our boots. Maybe Curatolo didn't die it was actually Narducci's body swapped again and he'll be back for a fourth trial with an even more explosive story :eye-poppi
 
bagels said:
Amanda managed to do all that while leaving a burglars DNA in the victims genitals after she was stripped, and the burglar's bloody shoeprints around the body, and the burglar's bloody hand print on the very same pillow case she was dragged onto and assaulted on. Wow! :jaw-dropp Amanda isn't a gentle soul, a metamorphosing monster is more like it.
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She must have the same ability as Kitty Pryde but then how did they ever hold her in her cell?
 
Ken Dine said:
The Raw Data Files would include the positive and negative test controls of everything tested, and everyone was interested in those since they could prove a contamination event in Stef's lab.

You do understand what a negative test control is, right? I'm guessing you don't since you've been arguing that negative test controls were unnecessary to review, which is preposterous!
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No, read back.
It's me the one who states what's unnecessary.

It was Vecchiotti who stated that the raw data are unnecessary. Oh yes he did. This is wha she said.

Her work was searching for contamination, and she said she was not interested in raw data. Oh yes, that's what she said.

As for your quoted Vecchiotti comment while testifying, you seem to be seeing more in it than I do:
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I'm rather sure I can see more than you do.

Vecchiotti didn't say they received everything they asked for in that comment.
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What do you mean by "that" comment? Did you read carefully what the Presidente states, as well?
Did you read "adesso abbiamo tutta la doumentazione"?
And have you read Hellmann pointing out to Ghirga that they have already answered "repeatedly" and stated "repeatedly" that the had obtained all they wanted?
And have you read those snippets (I did not quote them) where Vecchiotti praised how cooperative Stefanoni was, pointing out that she responded giving her "even more things" than what she had requested?

There's also the FACT that Stefanoni had admitted that her testing of 36B on the knife wasn't up to scientific standards, and that admission alone knocked out most of the DNA evidence tying Amanda & Raffaele to the crime.
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Legally speaking this is sheer delusion.
 
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bagels said:
We're all quaking in our boots. Maybe Curatolo didn't die it was actually Narducci's body swapped again and he'll be back for a fourth trial with an even more explosive story :eye-poppi
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It's not my buisness what you do on your boots.
 
bagels said:
Isn't your theory of the crime that Raffaele wanted to re-enact a vampire ritual murder from one of his Japanese manga comics, and after just meeting an American girl he stumbled through conversation with, he convinced her to go along with it against her roommate after less than a week, because she was jealous her roommate was dating a smelly loser pothead and not a rich Italian Audi driver liker herself? And then they invited a random hoodlum burglar that Raffaele didn't know, and Amanda had no proven communication with, after randomly running into him on a night they previously had other engagements on, who then sexually assaulted the victim in front of two white witnesses and walked around in her blood? After which they staged a break-in which just happened to look eerily similar to this burglar's previous legitimate break-in, right down to idiosyncratic method and place of entry?

And you're calling other peoples theories Hollywood? I mean I just want to make sure I understand things correctly.
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Bagels, you left out Mignini's description in court of the two young men restraining the victim while Amanda jabs at her with the large knife, taunting her "I'll teach you, you little slut". Jab, jab.

Sick man, Mignini. :mad:
 
bagels said:
Amanda managed to do all that while leaving a burglars DNA in the victims genitals after she was stripped, and the burglar's bloody shoeprints around the body, and the burglar's bloody hand print on the very same pillow case she was dragged onto and assaulted on. Wow! :jaw-dropp Amanda isn't a gentle soul, a metamorphosing monster is more like it.
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No, she is a proven liar, who - among many other lies she told - also accused a few people of crimes, well knowing they were innocent. And she is a felon convicted of this (and under trial again).
 
Vixen said:
I wouldn't call someone who brutally wrenched Mez' arms behind her back, dislocating her shoulder to render her arm immobile, yanked her hair out, thrust a large kitchen knife into her neck and then thrust it up twice more in a sawing motion, applied strangulation to break her hyoid bone, inflicted over 23 cuts and 20 sundry bruises, making her kneel, watching her choke on her own blood and die slowly in agony for up to fifteen minutes, perform perverted acts before and after, including stripping her clothes off and posing her body on a pillow, "a gentle soul".

You must surely jest.
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Why would I jest? You must be talking about Rudy. I'm talking about Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. Two people as innocent as me or you. Or did you forget that this is the FINAL RULING?

I know, you must be having a delusion. When you wake up you will see that the kids are innocent
 
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acbytesla said:
Why would I jest? You must be talking about Rudy. I'm talking about Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. Two people as innocent as me or you. Or did you forget that this is the FINAL RULING?

I know, you must be having a delusion. When you wake up you will see that the kids are innocent
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Speaking about delusions. In Italian language, the word "kid" (bambino/a) indicates rather precisely a person below the age of 14.
 
Machiavelli said:
No, she is a proven liar, who - among many other lies she told - also accused a few people of crimes, well knowing they were innocent. And she is a felon convicted of this (and under trial again).
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She isn't considered a felon in the United States, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

But the IDIOTS in your country belive in double body swaps, masonic conspiracies, satanic rituals and regularly incarcerate innocent people. Thank god not all Italians are that stupid.
 
Machiavelli said:
No, she is a proven liar, who - among many other lies she told - also accused a few people of crimes, well knowing they were innocent. And she is a felon convicted of this (and under trial again).
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The thing is, no one cares about that.
 
acbytesla said:
As I said, delusional. But don't worry, it seems that a few of your Italian brethren suffer from the same malady. Fortunately, not all of them.What you see is the distortion of your own lens of confirmation bias.

What's totally bizarre, is that you are twisting the evidence, ignoring what you choose. You have zero evidence of any communication ever between Rudy and Amanda or Raffaele EVER. You ignore that the murder took place between 9 and 10 pm.
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Knox & Sollecito's alibi ends at 8.40.
Nobody has proven the aliby took place between 9 and 10 (on the contrary, credible witnesses indicate a later time). Even Hellmann agrees stomach content is unable to determine a timing the was you say.

You suggest that the burglary was staged but ignore the fact that there is no physical evidence that supports that.
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The fact that you deny it doesn't make it go away.

There is no motive whatsoever.
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This is absolutely idiotic. The "worst evils" are committed by "people with absolutely no motive" (Hannah Arendt). You talk as if there was a motive for Rudy Guede to rape, torture and kill Meredith Kercher.
(a thought of the kind that I consider, frankly, of the worst unconscious prejudicie - you can read racist if you like)

You believe that the most absurd knife was the murder weapon despite that ithe doesn't match the outline of the knife on the sheet
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It matches perfectly.
(it doesn't match only with your idea that one certein stain must be the one left by the handle)

Or the simple fact that if the killer used that knife they surely would have sliced open their own hand.
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Had they given many blows, possibly. But given that it's only one blow, your statement is hyperbole.

Note, no cuts on Amanda or Raffaele and Rudy is the one with the cut on his hand.
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Have you seen the pictures of Knox's hands?
I have not.
I also made a disquieting discovery: I discovered they are not in the file.

I noted Rudy left zero DNA traces in the bathroom where he allegedly washed his hands with cuts, anyway.
 
acbytesla said:
She isn't considered a felon in the United States, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

But the IDIOTS in your country belive in double body swaps, masonic conspiracies, satanic rituals and regularly incarcerate innocent people. Thank god not all Italians are that stupid.
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Interesting theory. Have you ever thought about writing a Cultural Anthropology essay?

*edidted to ask: was that the land were the braves' officers use teaser guns on pregnant women, kill unarmed black guys randomly and sentence 13 olds to life in jail?
 
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acbytesla said:
She isn't considered a felon in the United States, the land of the free and the home of the brave.
But the IDIOTS in your country belive in double body swaps, masonic conspiracies, satanic rituals and regularly incarcerate innocent people. Thank god not all Italians are that stupid.
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Ultimately, that is what is important. In almost all cases, even when the defendant is exonerated, people will continue to believe that they are guilty.
 
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