Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Numbers]

Amanda was not in custody.

Your post is totally false. She was in the police station under the control of the police and essentially awaiting being transferred to prison when she wrote the first Memoriale. The second Memoriale was written when she was initially in the prison. Her arrest warrant had already been executed on Nov. 6. The Declaration of Arrest and Assignment to Prison documents were created by Mignini and signed by him Nov. 6, 2007.

Each of your posts appears to contain at least one lie. There was one statement in your quoted post, and the official documents of the Italian authorities show without doubt that your statement is false.

 

[Vixen]

Wow. Marriott must be really quick on the trigger, since Amanda's note stating that the cops had hit her was written just a few hours after she was arrested.

Yes, the first thing Dad Amanda did, was not hire an attorney, but a PR agency - possibly several of them systematically posting here - as reputation limitation and maximum commercial marketing, paying shills to gild the lily and secure television and book deals.

 

[Vixen]

Your post is totally false. She was in the police station under the control of the police and essentially awaiting being transferred to prison when she wrote the first Memoriale. The second Memoriale was written when she was initially in the prison. Her arrest warrant had already been executed on Nov. 6. The Declaration of Arrest and Assignment to Prison documents were created by Mignini and signed by him Nov. 6, 2007.

Each of your posts appears to contain at least one lie. There was one statement in your quoted post, and the official documents of the Italian authorities show without doubt that your statement is false.

Amanda was not under arrest, nor in custody, when she voluntarily accompanied Raff to the questura.

 

[Planigale]

What? Are you claiming a 53 - hour interrogation over five days is not non-stop, bearing in mind, no human can comfortably stay awake longer than 48 hours, including the cops?

You originally claimed that Amanda Knox had said that she had been tortured and interrogated non-stop for 53 hours.

You are now claiming that someone other than Knox claiming she was interrogated for 53 hours over five days means the same as your original claim. So no attribution to Knox? No claim of torture? No claim of non-stop?

Yes 53 hours over five days must be intermittent - unless we are on Jupiter.

I have never made any claims about duration of interviews. I think this is pretty irrelevant. It really makes no difference whether she was interviewed for five or fifty hours. The issue is the denial of access to a lawyer. Mignini actively deprived her of access to a lawyer for two days after her arrest, instead of allowing immediate access to counsel.

 

[Ken Dine]

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My Norwegian friend a lecturer who goes to a language school in Norway during summer to teach Norwegian as a foreign language, told me the American students insisted on standing up and singing, "Star Spangled Banner" every morning, so people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

This story is ridiculous on many levels.

TRUE! American children are often taught to recite the 'Pledge of Allegiance' in school, but the "Star Spangled Banner" is mostly sung at the start of sporting events (or after we win a medal at the Olympics).

The "Star Spangled Banner" is so difficult to sing that few people would even want to tackle singing that song.

But of course, if the Vixen man-child claims it's true, then we must respect that spouted nonsense as acceptable 'OPINION' so as not to hurt his feelings.

 

[bagels]

Amanda was not under arrest, nor in custody, when she voluntarily accompanied Raff to the questura.

Yeah she voluntarily waltzed into the interrogation room and stupidly spilled her guts instead of clamming up and asking for a lawyer. Luckily for her, she managed to avoid making a single statement only the killer would know, the police forgot to push record to reveal her lies about coercion/yelling/slapping, and the police goofed and said "she buckled and said what we knew to be correct" which made it sound like a coercive interrogation. The cat lands on her feet to live another day once again. She's unstoppable.

 

[Antony]

Look at it another way. You're a hardnosed cop dealing with scum every day who will spit at you, tell blatant lies, steal, cheat, kill.

There is a murder. A couple of guys are hanging around outside with cleaning material and yet have some how not got round to calling the police.

They have no alibi. They switched off their phone just before the murder (as did Jodi Arias); their footprints and blood mixed with the victim's are all over the murder scene.

No connection with the current case, then. No cleaning materials, none of the suspects' blood or footprints. Here it was the 2 people who called the police to the scene who ended up being arrested and charged.

And your very own words to describe the details of the case were "a paranoid Hollywood fuelled movie". Not my description - yours.

Are you beginning to understand what makes a cop tick?

Oh, I know that alright. From this case and any number of other wrongful prosecutions, innocent people are much easier targets than the real culprit(s). More co-operative, less street-wise, and - not to be underestimated - less dangerous than tangling with the actual killers.

 

[Planigale]

Look at it another way. You're a hardnosed cop dealing with scum every day who will spit at you, tell blatant lies, steal, cheat, kill.

There is a murder. A couple of guys are hanging around outside with cleaning material and yet have some how not got round to calling the police.

They have no alibi. They switched off their phone just before the murder (as did Jodi Arias); their footprints and blood mixed with the victim's are all over the murder scene.

Are you beginning to understand what makes a cop tick?

Who are the two guys here?
What cleaning materials? Please reference these or is this another falsehood?
The evidence is clear and accepted by the courts that Knox / Sollecito rung the carabinieri prior to the arrival of the postal police. This is another falsehood you have posted.
They have a mutual alibi.
What blood of Sollecito or Knox was mixed with the victim? Please reference or is this another falsehood? Is the blood all over the murder scene or is this another falsehood?
Whose footprints are all over the murder scene (hint RG)?

I make this at least five porkies in one short paragraph.

 

[Vixen]

Hi Vixen,
What's this Rudy followin' Meredith from inside the car park stuff you mention?

Don't ya know that before your time here,
RoseMontague, Danceme and I, amongst others,
shredded this accusation a few years ago, waaay back in what was it, the 3rd or 4th Continuation here on The JREF,
err The ISF?

What are we on now,
The 17th Continuation?!?

Thanks, Agatha,
for the warnin',
and not The Suspension!!!


Rudy Guede has,
per Italian Frank Sfarzo of Perugia Shock, a very distinctive walk.
I got 1 too, as my old Grandma Ruth, RIP,
mentioned at Grandpa Eddie's funeral many, many years ago.

You too mighta seen Rudy's distinctive walk if you saw him in Court,
if you had attended Court back in 2008 and 2009,
like Frank Sfarzo did,
ok?

That is not Rudy Guede...

Keep an open mind.

Right before 9:00pm,
why do you think that "poor Rudy" is followin' err, heading towards Meredith?
To go smoke a fatty, err spinello with her since her boyfriend Giacomo was outta town,
try + get her hammered and have sex with her, even though he did not bring over a condom?

Where are Amanda and [SIZE="-10"]Raff[/SIZE] at the time?
Playin' some video movie or cartoon?

Didn't Amanda just find out,
a few minutes before the CCTV vid,
that she did not have to work that night.

Didn't she even have a chat with 1 of [SIZE="-10"]Raff[/SIZE]'s gal pals
just a few minutes earlier too than this CCTV footage you mention?

What,
did Rudy Guede just stroll on over from his flat, the kabob joint or the basketball court
and talk with Amanda too as [SIZE="-10"]Raff[/SIZE] showered?

Heya sweetie,
I'm gonna head on over to Mez's place,
pack your boyz kitchen knife, I'll see ya there?

Do you really believe that Amanda was packin' that huuuge kitchen knife,
gettin' ready to meet up with Guid-O, as he, if it was him, was shown on the CCTV,
headin' straight towards the car park's exit, towards a single girl walkin' along a highway late at night,
whose name was Meredith?

Heck,
how would they even know Guid-O even ever arrived yet?
Rudy never ever even called or texted Amanda or The [SIZE="-10"]Raff[/SIZE].

Yet he talked by phone to Carlos,
1 of the Spanish Dudes
the night before on Halloween, IIRC,
and yes I do, I do recall correctly,
dear Vixen...

What,
did Amanda and [SIZE="-10"]Raff[/SIZE] just get lucky that Rudy too,
along with Mez, was there?

Do you really think,
that all alone for the 1st time ever at her own apartment,
Meredith was gonna let "poor Rudy" in for a "date"?

Don't you think it odd that Amanda and [SIZE="-10"]Raff[/SIZE]
were not seen at any time on the CCTV video?

Weren't Amanda
and [SIZE="-10"]Raff[/SIZE],
per Curatolo hangin' outside arguin'
as "poor rduy" had some oral luv with Meredith?

Gosh,
I really need to go ride some waves,
even though it's small at the moment here in Los Angeles.
See ya Vixen!
XX, RW

I agree with Mignini that this attack on Mez had been planned and talked about by the three perps in advance, and as testified by Kokomani.

The position Mez' body was posed in is virtually identical to the final scenes in a manga comic found by police at Raff's appartment, and as named by the prosecution submission in their likely "futile" motivation for the crime. The comic named is 'Blood the Last Vampire', about a vampire slayer at Halloween.

You recall Rudy made that video claiming to be a vampire and rolling his eyes.

 

[Vixen]

Who are the two guys here?
What cleaning materials? Please reference these or is this another falsehood?
The evidence is clear and accepted by the courts that Knox / Sollecito rung the carabinieri prior to the arrival of the postal police. This is another falsehood you have posted.
They have a mutual alibi.
What blood of Sollecito or Knox was mixed with the victim? Please reference or is this another falsehood? Is the blood all over the murder scene or is this another falsehood?
Whose footprints are all over the murder scene (hint RG)?

I make this at least five porkies in one short paragraph.

The mop? It is a cleaning implement, is it not? Amanda claimed she needed to carry it backward and forward between Raff's and the cottage as there had been a flood the night before at Raff's.

That was Massei bending over backward.

The luminol showed the footprints of all three. Mixed Amanda/Mez DNA in five different places.

I am sorry, but science doesn't lie and nor did the defense prove the hoary old chestnut, "It was contaminated, M'Lud".

 

[Numbers]

Amanda was not under arrest, nor in custody, when she voluntarily accompanied Raff to the questura.

Vixen,
Congratulations on your first posting that does not contain a false statement.

Your previous post stating or implying that Amanda wrote the Memoriales while not in custody was, however, totally false.

You may wish to consult the following site to see images of the documents which Mignini wrote on Nov. 6, 2007 to arrest her and have her sent to prison to await an arrest hearing. The arrest hearing was held on Nov. 8, 2007 and it was moments before the beginning of that hearing that she was first allowed to consult with a lawyer. This was again a violation of the Convention, Article 5, since an arrest hearing must be adversarial and the lawyer and accused must have sufficient time to prepare.

ETA: http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/case-files-reports/

 

[Vixen]

Vixen,
Congratulations on your first posting that does not contain a false statement.

Your previous post stating or implying that Amanda wrote the Memoriales while not in custody was, however, totally false.

You may wish to consult the following site to see images of the documents which Mignini wrote on Nov. 6, 2007 to arrest her and have her sent to prison to await an arrest hearing. The arrest hearing was held on Nov. 8, 2007 and it was moments before the beginning of that hearing that she was first allowed to consult with a lawyer. This was again a violation of the Convention, Article 5, since an arrest hearing must be adversarial and the lawyer and accused must have sufficient time to prepare.

Amanda wrote the second memoriale all by herself of her own volition. It is simply deception for her to claim she was tortured into writing it.

She did not retract her disgusting allegations against Patrick, as she likes to claim. She reiterated it.

When will Amanda take responsibilty for her own behaviour?

 

[Desert Fox]

Not "ruled innocent". The verdict said Not Guilty because of "insufficient evidence" and is anyway, illegal for them to cite 530 para 2.

Just because you were innocent, it's a logical fallacy to claim "therefore, all men accused of rape are innocent".

Pretend that you are in a civil trial in the United States and you are trying to get a settlement from Amanda for the murder of Meredeth Kercher. Do you really think you could get it?

 

[Bill Williams]

Amanda wrote the second memoriale all by herself of her own volition. It is simply deception for her to claim she was tortured into writing it.

She did not retract her disgusting allegations against Patrick, as she likes to claim. She reiterated it.

When will Amanda take responsibilty for her own behaviour?

Please stop claiming Knox said she was tortured. When will you take responsibility for your lies?

 

[bagels]

The mop? It is a cleaning implement, is it not? Amanda claimed she needed to carry it backward and forward between Raff's and the cottage as there had been a flood the night before at Raff's.

That was Massei bending over backward.

The luminol showed the footprints of all three. Mixed Amanda/Mez DNA in five different places.

I am sorry, but science doesn't lie and nor did the defense prove the hoary old chestnut, "It was contaminated, M'Lud".

Amanda was smart to kill Meredith in the very house they shared so DNA samples around the cottage wouldn't be incriminating.

 

[zotz]

First of all, it is important to realise the rape scence was carefully rearranged.

Mez' jeans were pulled off and yet not inside out, but arranged neatly. Objects were carefully arranged on the bed. The body moved by a sheet, police believe, so it could not be seen from the car park.

As I believe Mez was subjected to a prolonged false imprisonment by the three - police identified the mushroom as coming from a punnet in Raff's flat and Sophie confirmed there were no mushrooms in the meal they ate to watch the DVD 'The Notebook' - perhaps she was made to share in a meal she declined.

CCTV and mobile pings indicate Amanda arrived at the cottage almost the same time as Mez, a figure can be seen following her in, thought to be Rudy.

Kokomani came back from Albania to voluntarily testify to police he had seen Rudy, Raff and Amanda hiding behind the garbage bins outside the house as though waiting for someone, the night before. Rudy aggressively demanded his car. Koko got scared and threw olives and stuff at them as he tried to accelerate away. Amanda was waving a large kitchen knife. Koko knew Rudy from working together on a farm. He explained Amanda was cutting a birthday cake with it. Koko claimed Raff ran after him, trying to block his exit.

The dark car seen on the murder night could have been Raff's.

AIUI Raff and Amanda started having sex and wanted to force "vampire" Mez to join in. She was teased and hazed by the three in their drugged up aggression and fantasy.

After her death, the scene was staged to look like rape and the arms of her coat could have been pulled inside out, in the same way her other clothes were a mise en scene, together with the burglary.

They had all night.

Raff and Amanda ran to Plaza Grimana, where Curatolo did witness them.

No doubt they were on watch to see whether any of the neighbours had heard the dreadful scream, and the police were on their way.

Sounds like Koko had a narrow escape! If I were Raf, he would be number one on my hit list. GET KOKO! Maybe he should be given police protection, or even a new identity?

 

[RWVBWL]

Sounds like Koko had a narrow escape! If I were Raf, he would be number one on my hit list. GET KOKO! Maybe he should be given police protection, or even a new identity?

Surely Zotz,
you jest?!?

I mean why the heck would Hekuran Kokomani need a new identity?

Heck all he did was state that he talked with the tow truck driver,
around 11:00pm, on the night Meredith Kercher was raped and murdered.

And that on a rainy night, he trew some olives at Amanda and wouldn't let
his bro, "poor Rudy", rent out his car for some odd-ball reason.

I can't tell.
He doesn't got blonde hair, does he?
He's not a police informant, as I did read before,
is he?

He's got nothin' to hide,
or does he???

 

[RWVBWL]

Did Amanda Knox's and Raffaele's Sollecito's lawyer interview
and take a deposition of Hekuran Kokomani?

If not,
how does anyone even know if the dude who appeared in Court was Hekuran Kokomani?

That dude pictured above could be anybody!?!

As could the dude who testified as Stefano Bonassi...

You might remember Stefano,
he was the dude who,
before leavin' on Holiday,
had made his bed.

But the DownStairsz Boyz cat tossed his comforter upwards,
inside, IIRC, his locked bedroom,
and
left some interestingly, straight blood lines on it:

and
an also interesting bloody imprint
that kinda looks like the knife handle imprint found upstairs on Meredith Kercher's bed:

What's Stefano,
as pictured up above,
hiding from?

The dude, err cat
who leaves bloody straight lines on his comforter
and a probable bloody knife handle imprint on his bed behind his looked bedroom door?

Question:
Was Giacomo wearin' a hoody + sunglasses in Court?
This is the dude who was datin' Miss Kercher for a coupla weeks before here horrible rape and murder.
Was he hiding too, wearin' a hoody and sunglasses , when he testified in Court?

Heck,
I testified my own Civil Trial in a case were I was suspected of a horrible rape,
yet I never went incognito. And before that I did undercover work for SMPD, though The Grinder, would never find this info out online on The WWW, unless I told him so, for it is surly buried in some box in some basement, somewhere. Yet I've never been in Court wearin' a hoody + sunglasses.

Why does Koko,
or Bonassi,
do so?

What gives???
Do they do things that much differently in Italy?
I'll have to ask this of the next Italian surfer I meet here at The Beach...
RW

 

[Vixen]

Sounds like Koko had a narrow escape! If I were Raf, he would be number one on my hit list. GET KOKO! Maybe he should be given police protection, or even a new identity?

He was heavily disguised and strangely omerta for the trial, deliberately botching his testimony.

He certainly was warned off.

 

[Vixen]

Surely Zotz,
you jest?!?

I mean why the heck would Hekuran Kokomani need a new identity?

Heck all he did was state that he talked with the tow truck driver,
around 11:00pm, on the night Meredith Kercher was raped and murdered.

And that on a rainy night, he trew some olives at Amanda and wouldn't let
his bro, "poor Rudy", rent out his car for some odd-ball reason.

I can't tell.
He doesn't got blonde hair, does he?
He's not a police informant, as I did read before,
is he?

He's got nothin' to hide,
or does he???

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=480&pictureid=9533[/qimg]

Heheh, all he needed was a hijab.