Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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I'll see what I can find but a lot of Oggi articles from 2009-2011 were removed from their website. Dunno why.... Last year the links were working fine then checked 6 months later they were gone. Even all the crime scene videos they use to have were removed.

We have this one: Crime in Perugia: The “collapse” of the prosecution during the appeal process by Giangavino Sulas. Oggi Magazine, April 2011

http://amandaknoxcase.com/crime-in-perugia/


Thanks for the link MichaelB!

Wow,
I still learn new facts about the case we discuss!


Nara Capezzali,
the old lady who heard The Scream:
The scientific proof that has finally been assigned to experts appointed by the appeals court and not just to the police, is crumbling, and revealing disturbing questions about the procedures used. The witnesses, if they are not drug addicts, or end up in jail for distribution of drugs (as was the case with Kokomani and Curatolo), then suffer from deafness and from physical and also mental problems, to the extreme of undergoing recovery in the psychiatric ward (as was the case with Nara Capezzali).

Antonio Curatolo:
He is serving a sentence of eighteen months in jail for distribution and sale of cocaine. In November he is going to appear at another trial for the same charges. In front of the judges, he contradicted his previous deposition. “It was October 31, when I saw Amanda and Raffaele. I recall all the young people were wearing costumes.” A clear reference to the night of Halloween. End of testimony. Curatolo was returned to jail.

The Knife:
And what is left against Amanda if, according to the experts, the amount of biologic material found on the knife (presumed murder weapon), has levels of material that are too low to decipher the genetic code?

Let’s recall that it was from this biologic material that the scientific police had extracted the DNA belonging to Meredith (from the top of the blade) and to Amanda (from the handle). The experts added also another detail, that the knife did not exhibit traces of bleach. Hence, it was never washed to cancel traces of evidence, as had been claimed by the scientific police.
 
Obvious. We don't have the motivations. How can I talk about what's written in it?



Maybe you forgot few little details. The Chieffi court destroyed the logic and reasons employed in the Hellmann verdict, making at least 16 points of law about the case, all valid and definitive. The Chieffi court also discredited Conti and Vecchiotti calling them "intellectually dishonest". The Chieffi court did not ask to "review" anything at all, as for the evidence it asked to complete some operations only because they were procedures started by the Hellmann court that were concluded irregularly, which were to be finished because of due procedure, and were completely unnecessary for probative purposes. Those alleged things did not change the evidentiary picture in favour of the defendants of a iota, on the contrary they made it even worse (and were used by Crini).
The Chieffi court also said Knox was guilty of calunnia and that Hellmann's attempt to separate calunnia from murder was ludicrous. Chieffi also acknowledged that Amanda's calunnia did not occur during an interrogation or statement but was a "protracted behaviour".
And the Chieffi court urged the courts to re-think the evidence in the case "osmotically" in non-parcelled out manner, so in a way contrary to what Hellmann did.

Machiavelli, if I may.

These are, at best, minority rationalizations. You are free to think about these things any way you wish, as is Mr. Mignini.

But, dude, Mignini lost. Big time. It is somewhat admirable that even in losing, Mignini is still trying to maintain he will win. Or that he's won, it's just that the Italian judiciary doesn't know it yet.

The Chieffi court did not ask for a review of anything? What about Sample/Exhibit 36I? What about the testimony of the fellow who is now a women, who was hauled up on the stand at the Nencini trial, and asked if the Sollecitos had paid him/her. And he/her, like last time, said "no."

And how 36I was Knox's, thereby adding nothing to the information on the long since discredited kitchen knife, selected at random Nov 6 2007 from Raffaele's. Now you're trying to claim that Knox and Sollecito were represented at Rudy's fast-track - excapt that what a fast-track IS, is a regular trial with the evidence phase missing, including the ability to cross-examine things. Good for you.

Argue away. Try to re-argue the case all you want. Mignini in his complaint against Maori is doing essentially that. Instead of arguing this within Italy, argue with people overseas who do not have a hope if influencing anything in Italy.

I am not a Mason so how can I?
 
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Here, again, is my understanding of the Marasca CSC panel verdict in relation to the CPP, Italian Constitution, and the Convention and ECHR case-law.

The Chieffi panel did not decide except in terms of annulment of Hellmann; they sent the case back to be retried for consideration of certain issues. They did ask certain questions indicating a preference to guilt, but did not state explicitly that the defendants were guilty; if they had, there would be no reason for referral.

CPP Art. 628, para. 2 states: The judgment of the referral judge may, in any case, only be appealed for arguments which do not concern the issues already decided by the CSC or due to failure to comply with the provision of Article 627, para. 3.

And CPP Art. 627, para. 3 states: The referral judge shall conform to the judgment of the CSC as regards any issue of law it has decided upon.

What CPP Art. 627, para. 2 states is: The referral judge shall decide, exercising the same powers of the judge whose judgment has been annulled, without prejudice to the limitations established by law. If a judgment of appeal is annulled, the judge shall order the renewal of the trial evidentiary hearing, if so requested by the parties, for the gathering of evidence that is relevant for the decision.

{Note that CPP Art. 627 para. 2 would mean the Nencini court was obligated to reopen the evidence gathering, if that was requested by the defense (and agreed by the prosecution?) and relevant.}

Such issues may be overruled if they are not issues of law previously decided by the CSC. However, if the issues were producing a violation of the the CPP, the Italian Constitution, the Convention or ECHR case-law, the CSC must rule to enforce the CPP, Constitution, Convention or ECHR case-law.

For example, the "osmotic" approach to evaluation of evidence must not be interpreted in violation of CPP Art. 192 para. 2: The existence of a fact cannot be inferred from circumstantial evidence unless such evidence is serious, precise and consistent.

Nor, according to CPP Art. 533, can an accused be convicted merely by a probability of guilt, nor an arbitrary judicial opinion. CPP Art. 533 para. 1 states: The judge shall deliver a judgment of conviction if the accused is proven to be guilty of the alleged offense beyond a reasonable doubt.

The CSC evaluation of issues of fact are not binding on the lower court in a referral, because the lower court is entitled to rehear and re-evaluate the evidence, just as was the annulled 2nd level court. It is the CSC interpretation of law that is binding on the referral court. However, an interpretation of law that contradicts the CPP or violates the Italian Constitution, or that violates the intent of the Convention and ECHR case-law, cannot be legal in Italy.

By CPP Art. 620 para. 1L, the Marasca CSC panel was entitled to legally annul the Nencini court verdict without referral and to determine the appropriate sentence and take any other necessary decisions in the case. The language of CPP Art. 620 para. 1L gives a CSC panel that broad power.
 
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Machiavelli - I've found the Marco Travaglio piece in Blitz Quotidiano from 29 March 2015 which you cite as an example of someone in the press doubting the Marasca exonerations.

It is easy to dispute Marco Travaglio's view of the facts. He says that there are now two ISC rulings, one that AK/RS is guilty, one that they are not. My question: which ISC ruling said they were guilty? Surely not the Chieffi ISC court - that one said that the acquittals were arrived at wrongly.

Marco Travaglio, like you, assumes that a judicial truth of multiple attackers automatically implicates AK and RS. Even if that judicial truth was arrived at, through a fast-track, non-evidentiary process.

So it was not you who passed me this citation. So I'll ask for another. Where in the Italian media world has this line of dumbness caught traction?

There's Marco Travaglio. There's Mignini's complaint against Maori. My view is everyone else, much like Maresca, has conceded the inevitable. Unlike some they are not going to just imagine things from this point on.

There's been enough of that.
 
8.5

October 29, 2008:
PERUGIA – Guilty. Rudy Hermann Guede raped and killed Meredith Kercher. The judge in Perugia, Paolo Micheli, sentenced him to thirty years’ imprisonment and payment of 8.5 million euros’ compensation to the victim’s relatives.

Link:
http://www.corriere.it/english/08_o...ed_304d8218-a5d1-11dd-8fd0-00144f02aabc.shtml


Hi Machiavelli,
When Rudy Guede gets out of prison soon,
does he still have to pay the family of Meredith Kercher 8.5 million Euro's
as this article in Corriere della Cera writes?

If so,
I hope that Rudy Guede gets out of jail soon and gets a great paying job with that free education you Italian folks have been giving him for the last 7 years or so.

What's he studying again?
History or something like that?
Do History teachers make good $$$?
I hope so, for the Kercher's sake.

8.5 Million Euro's.
I doubt Rudy will be payin' anyone 50 Euro's to stay in a Kiddy's School again.
Or was that 20 Euro's that he paid the South American or North African dude,
I forget...
 
I WAS PARTIALLY QUOTED FOLLOWED BY A VERY DECEPTIVE COMMENT:

That's the way I understand that it went down.

Italy recognizes that they need to make drastic judicial reforms - they apparently went thru this back in the 1980s, but those earlier reforms didn't fully take since their judiciary resisted the reforms.

Recently, Italy started to once again reform their legal system, but apparently decided to reform their CIVIL code sections first before tackling their CRIMINAL code sections, apparently, because their antiquated CIVIL laws were scaring away foreign investment.

As for Amanda's conviction for libel/slander during her late night (unrecorded) interrogation, Italy's laws in that regards seriously needs to be amended.(...)


YOU RESPOND:

Calunnia is not libel/slander.

Calunnia is a malicious type of obstruction of justice.

It's a crime based on malice, and expresses the intent to pervert the course of justice by placing false evidence.


Machiavelli, I DON'T KNOW YOU, BUT IS THAT HOW YOU USUALLY ROLL?

Do you understand the concept of CREDIBILITY? Credibility is EARNED!

Seriously, let’s now look at the portion of my comment that Machiavelli deceptively did NOT include (in BOLD):

That's the way I understand that it went down.

Italy recognizes that they need to make drastic judicial reforms - they apparently went thru this back in the 1980s, but those earlier reforms didn't fully take since their judiciary resisted the reforms.

Recently, Italy started to once again reform their legal system, but apparently decided to reform their CIVIL code sections first before tackling their CRIMINAL code sections, apparently, because their antiquated CIVIL laws were scaring away foreign investment.

As for Amanda's conviction for libel/slander during her late night (unrecorded) interrogation, Italy's laws in that regards seriously needs to be amended.

While it may likewise be a criminal act in America to misdirect a criminal investigation, it seems like the lines were blurred by allowing Lumumba to pursue Amanda (civilly?) during her criminal prosecution?

I.e., logically how could Lumumba's attorney openly chastise Amandar as a 'SHE-DEVIL" during her criminal trial if Lumumba's part was only the civil aspect?

If Amanda was indeed CONVICTED of slandering Lumumba during the CIVIL portion of her trial, then how did her SLANDER conviction equate to a 3 year criminal sentence?

In America, a CRIMINAL trial can result in a prison sentence, but a CIVIL trial can only result in a monetary judgment! And, certainly both types of trials don't happen in conjunction!

Things are upside down in Italy, so venture there at your personal peril
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Machiavelli next responds as if he didn't even bother to read my comment:

Calunnia is not libel/slander.

Calunnia is a malicious type of obstruction of justice.

It's a crime based on malice, and expresses the intent to pervert the course of justice by placing false evidence.


Machiavelli, isn't that basically what I had said in the part of my quote that you had very CONVENIENTLY neglected to include?

AGAIN, if Lumumba was allowed to civilly sue Amanda for slander (or obstruction of justice, whatever), how could Lumumba's portion of the legal action result in a 3 year sentence for Amanda?

If Lumumba's portion of the lawsuit could legally evade your Italian Supreme Ct's ruling that Amanda's interrogation was ILLEGAL and thus couldn't be used against her in a criminal prosecution (i.e., fruit of the poison tree), then how was it possible for the prosecution (and YOU) to use that illegal interrogation against Amanda in the criminal portion of her trial?

Do you grok fair play?
 
Incorrect.
Some of the courts miss-spell it as Rudi.

But the Supreme Court spells it correctly as Rudy.

Here Grinder,
is another example of the correct spelling of Rudy's name:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=480&pictureid=9953[/qimg]

Weird how the dude lied on his ID application
and spelled his own name with a y, right?
:confused:

It is just silly, in my surfers opinion,
to watch you make excuses for the continued usage of the incorrect spelling of Rudy's name,
when you nit-pick soooo many other issues we discuss.
:boggled:



Let's see, we have been shown a copy of RudY's passport, and something with his signature as RudY, and we are holding up various courts' judgments etc that spell it differentlty as a defense of Grinder's use of RudI. That seems like an appeal to authority that is misplaced. In light of all the argued judicial errors it seems like the default would be to go with the evidence that this francophone (by origin) spelled his name Rudy. Non?

The point is well taken that RW makes. If you are going to rebut the meme of Rudy the drifter, and Rudy the crime wave burglar, be consistent in your detail picking. In that regard, if you don't see proof of a burglar, do you see evidence of someone at least associated with places that he had no right to be? Or do you think he was someone doing honest things in honest ways? And what's relevant here, do yoh think he was no different than Amanda or Raffaele? IOW, are you saying he's no different than them for purposes of suspicion of the deathe of Kercher?

Back to original point - you will note that even recently retourned Machiavelli is spelling it "Rudy". What more authority could you want? :)


ETA - re knife "carrying" - is that important? Or is the fact that he somehow ended up with a knife in his possession <while> on the premises what's important?
 
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Are you asking for the November 5-6 statement? I had given this link when you asked earlier. It is from The Meredith Wiki in both Italian and English.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Raffaele_Sollecito's_Nov_5th_2007_Statement_to_the_Police

Sorry I was being lazy.

QA In my previous statement I told a load of rubbish because Amanda had convinced me of her version of the facts and I didn't think about the inconsistencies. I heard the first statements that she made to the Postal Police who intervened at the place.​

So where is this one?
 
Greetings,
For anyone interested,
here is a link to 94 pages of an English translation of Judge Micheli's Report,
who convicted Rudy Guede of rape and murder
and ordered him to pay the Kercher Family 8.5 million euro's...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TNqWuL7pRFxbm_avm3hcdT8VGWiNJDhYkwGBAvzbVBI/edit?pli=1


If anyone has a better copy of The Micheli Report in English, can you please post a link to it?
Thanks,
RW

Here u go

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/motivation-reports-appeal-documents/
 
Another bit for the legality of the Marasca CSC panel v. Chieffi CSC panel discussion:

The coerced false statements from the interrogation of Amanda Knox cannot be used in the trial of Amanda and Raffaele, because they were obtained in violation of Italian procedural law (and of ECHR case-law). The Chieffi CSC panel was legally in error in suggesting their use, which would be contrary to CPP Art. 191.

CPP Art. 191 states:
1. Evidence gathered in violation of the prohibitions set by law shall not be used.
2. The exclusion of evidence may be declared also ex officio at any stage and instance of the proceedings.

Thus, if the Marasca CSC panel found that the Nencini court had used this evidence, gathered contrary to CPP Art. 63 and/or 64, to justify the conviction, then it would rightly eliminate that aspect of Nencini's "proof".
 
So now we've got Andrew Hodges divining guilt via thought print analysis.

Has anyone considered looking to see if the Bible Code says anything about Amanda and Raffaele's guilt or innocence?
 
Those judicial findings are irrevocable and 100% valid.

Those findings indeed point in direction of Knox's guilt, albeit not necessarily in direction of the guilt of another perpetrator additional to Knox (even if we know there was one, Sollecito, in the merits). Those final judicial truths implicate Knox more than Sollecito in my opinion, however we can also see they implicate Sollecito in a degree.

You may think calunnia does not imply evidence of being involved in murder. But that is your opinion, and that could very well be seen as biased by someone neutral. I point out, btw, that Hellmann's reasoning in order to "separate" calunnia from murder was crashed forever and declared illogical by the Supreme Court (so Marasca would need to find out some other scenario).

So it's actually not that easy to split calunnia from murder in this case. People will make their own minds, and I guess mostly they won't share your logic and your faith.

Multiple attackers is not just "generted from Rudy's trial", it's actually generated by the autopsy reports and findings, and never been seriously challenged, not even in the other trials. Because it's impossible to challenge it with plausible arguments. But incidentally, I remind that it is absolutely not true that Knox and Sollecito's defenses were not represented at Guede's trial (which was not a "series" of trial, but a single one; the other two stages were just "his" actions against the trial, his own appeal and recourse).
To say that Knox and Sollecito were not represented is a plain lie.
The fast-track does not have a specific court evidence phase (discusses evidence from the investigation), but this goes both for the prosecution and the defence and civil parties; it has an arguments phase, and Knox and Sollecito defences did enter articulate defence arguments. The multiple attackers scenario is essentially an argument based on autopsy report, blood pattern analysis and testimony which all already existed at the time of the trial. The findings from a fast track trial are not superior, but they are not inferior either. And the calunnia trial is valid as well. Btw there is also a second calunnia trial which will reach an additional judicial truth as well.

Mach. welcome back.

Could you or someone else point me towards the blood pattern analysis pointing to multiple perpetrators? i assume we are looking at lacunae?
 
I just happened to see Mach is back with the usual pseudo-legal nonsense. :)


2 points:

According to Mach they were represented in Guede's trial ! :o ?!
Nonsense! They were not allowed to appeal.

According to Mach there is a final judicial finding of "many attackers".
That's another ******** and red herring peddled by Mignini and ignorant media. There was no such finding and the SC said outright in Guede's motivation that they are not confirming many attackers.

The final judicial finding that Mach and Mignini don't like is in fact the opposite. Guede acted alone.

Even if you don't bother to read SC motivation it's enough to think logically. Guede was charged together with the kids. The SC confirmed Guede's guilt. The SC found the kids innocent. No prosecutor and no judge ever proposed that there was anyone else involved so there are no unknown accomplices to consider.
 
It's no argumentation. The word of an expert in a trial equates to the word of a lawyer. In the Aldrovandi case IIRC eight experts gave testimonies that were in contrast with the only one expert whom the judge agreed with. This is relatively frequent. Citing a "number of experts" is an idiocy.
This must be understood together with the fact that medical experts are not judges. The same experts also testified that there was no evidence of sexual violence. But the judges found evidence. Because things have a context, information is crossed with other information.


No, they were represented through the whole Guede's trial. And they brought remarkable evidence and arguments to support the "lone perpetrator scenario" (for example they tried to show that Guede stepped on a glass fragment that purportedly remained trapped beneath his sole and was carried around). Only, they lost. They were not convincing.



I don't need to "try" anything. This is simply what is in the record.



But they haven't. And by my understanding, the defamation lawsuit appears as a preparatory work for further legal actions.

I think mach is mostly right here, but probably just misuses English.

1) There is no evidence of sexual assault. Correct. But this does not mean there is evidence of no sexual assault.
2) The key issue is consent, this is a legal concept not an evidential or scientific fact.
3) I think it is wrong to say the judge(s) found evidence. The judge may have drawn conclusions from the evidence - evidence of sexual contact between Guede and MK, undressed state, evidence of assault resulting in murder, concluding the sexual contact was non consensual. The judge did not find any evidence, but drew conclusions from the evidence presented.

Presumably one means a majority of the judges? As there are several judges who vote on the verdict?
 
So now we've got Andrew Hodges divining guilt via thought print analysis.

Has anyone considered looking to see if the Bible Code says anything about Amanda and Raffaele's guilt or innocence?

:)



Numbers 28:11 King James Version
EDEUG EONL RELLIK

There are more than twenty permutations. What is left to discuss? This looks pretty definitive to me.

ETA: The reversed spelling of the code is because Hebrew reads right to left. However the KJV is powerful and it disrupted the code so that the words are displayed in the standard left to right order of English.
 
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I think mach is mostly right here, but probably just misuses English.

1) There is no evidence of sexual assault. Correct. But this does not mean there is evidence of no sexual assault.
2) The key issue is consent, this is a legal concept not an evidential or scientific fact.
3) I think it is wrong to say the judge(s) found evidence. The judge may have drawn conclusions from the evidence - evidence of sexual contact between Guede and MK, undressed state, evidence of assault resulting in murder, concluding the sexual contact was non consensual. The judge did not find any evidence, but drew conclusions from the evidence presented.

Presumably one means a majority of the judges? As there are several judges who vote on the verdict?

There is evidence of sexual assault. There was anal dilation of 2-3cm.

From Mignini's notes at the pre-trial page 50.

A tutto ciò va aggiunta l'"ampia dilatazione, nell'ordine di due - tre centimetri, dell'anello anale con presenza di minute ecchimosi" (vds. sentenza della Cassazione relativa alla Knox, a p. 7), che evidenzia un ulteriore profilo di possibile tentativo di violenza sessuale, rimasto peraltro interrotto (anche perché, non sono assolutamente emersi fattori che avrebbero potuto comportare un tale fenomeno).

And in the Massei report on page 121:

Professor Bacci also considered it possible that there was violence and anal type penetration, highlighting the presence of small pinpoint haemorrhages, small bruises that other consultants attributed to constipation: he was not fully convinced by this interpretation, since there was no evidence of such constipation, which would have been a very important issue.
 
Obvious. We don't have the motivations. How can I talk about what's written in it?



Maybe you forgot few little details. The Chieffi court destroyed the logic and reasons employed in the Hellmann verdict, making at least 16 points of law about the case, all valid and definitive. The Chieffi court also discredited Conti and Vecchiotti calling them "intellectually dishonest". The Chieffi court did not ask to "review" anything at all, as for the evidence it asked to complete some operations only because they were procedures started by the Hellmann court that were concluded irregularly, which were to be finished because of due procedure, and were completely unnecessary for probative purposes. Those alleged things did not change the evidentiary picture in favour of the defendants of a iota, on the contrary they made it even worse (and were used by Crini).
The Chieffi court also said Knox was guilty of calunnia and that Hellmann's attempt to separate calunnia from murder was ludicrous. Chieffi also acknowledged that Amanda's calunnia did not occur during an interrogation or statement but was a "protracted behaviour".
And the Chieffi court urged the courts to re-think the evidence in the case "osmotically" in non-parcelled out manner, so in a way contrary to what Hellmann did.

This meme is rather disconcerting. The law first requires the court to make a decision about the weight of individual instances of curcumstantial evidence - to decide whether or not they each meet a standard - serious, precise and consistent - before they may be evaluated together.

Furthermore, as we have seen and as Hellmann made clear with apposite citation, merely because a court might find that a construction of the evidence provides even probability, this is not sufficient to convict since the reworked Art 533 requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Courts can no longer elect to convict even on the basis that culpability for the crime is the most likely scenario. They must rule out all other reasonable interpretations.

In this case, Hellmann did not even need to go that far. He said that all the individual elements of evidence collapsed - the "bricks" of the case against the defendants. You cannot consider osmotically the individual elements of evidence whose validity you have rejected.

The Chieffi court did not mention the notion of "reasonable doubt" once! Instead it asked the Nencini court to find a way to arrange the circumstantial evidence in a manner which would permit a guilty verdict, notwithstanding any other consideration.

Yet Chieffi himself said the court must "...require the trial judge to perform a twofold operation: first, he or she must evaluate the circumstantial piece of evidence individually, to establish whether or not the required precision is present and to determine its probative value..."

Yet Hellmann had previously stated:

"The condition required by.....law (C.P.P Article 533 effected by Article 5, Law no. 46 - Feb 20, 2006) to arrive at a verdict of guilty does not, therefore, allow one to formulate a belief in terms of probability: that is, to issue a guilty verdict, it is not sufficient for the probability of the prosecution hypothesis to be greater than that of the defense hypothesis, even when the former is significantly larger [notevolmente più numerose]; but [rather] it is necessary that every explanation other than the prosecution hypothesis not be plausible at all, according to a criterion of reasonability. In any other case, acquittal of the defendant is required."

This is the huge mistake with both the Massei and Nencini courts. They took it upon themselves, contrary to Italian law, to choose a version of events that they preferred, whereas what they should have done is attempted to rule out all innocent constructions of the evidence. They pulled this trick by relying on outmoded legal culture, swept away by the 2006 reform of Art 533.

As Hellmann cited:

Cass. Section 4, Ruling no. 48320 of 11-12-2009 (submitted 12-17-2009) Rv. 245879: “…In sum, the rule of beyond a reasonable doubt has definitively put in crisis that jurisprudential theory [orientamento] according to which, in the presence of more than one hypothesis reconstructing the facts, the judge was permitted to adopt one which led to conviction solely because he deemed it more probable than the others. That will no longer be permitted, because, to arrive at conviction, the judge must not only deem improbable any differing reconstruction of the facts which leads to the acquittal of the defendant, but must furthermore hold that the doubt about [i.e. arising from] this alternative hypothesis is unreasonable (that is, it must be an implausible hypothesis or at least devoid of any confirmation whatsoever).”
 
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No. There is nothing of that kind in the procedure code. Art. 620 is about the power to "annul" a decision.
But to "annul" is not to "acquit". They are two very different things. Annul is a decision about a trial/proceedings, while acquit is a decision about a person, and it's a conclusion in the merits of a crime.

Simply, there has never been another SC ruling where the chamber says "assolvere" (acquit). There is no precedent.

Well, what's the difference? Art 620 provides the court with the power to stop the case - to not remand it back to the appellate level. It clearly has that authority.

So, if it decides not to remand it, an acquittal is all they can provide.

Given they decided to use Art 620, as the law says they can, what else do you think Cassation should have done other than issue an Art 530(2) ruling?

Didn't they do this in the Andreotti case?


CPP Article 620
1. In addition to the cases specifically provided for by the law, the CSC shall deliver a judgment of annulment without referral:
a) ....if the prosecution should not have been started or continued;
d) if the appealed decision is not allowed by law;
h) if there is a contradiction between the appealed judgment or order and a previous judgment or order concerning the same person and the same subject, delivered by the same or another criminal judge;
l) in any other case in which the CSC believes the referral is superfluous or may proceed to the determination of the sentence or take the necessary decisions.
 
I'm skeptical Mignini wrote that document Quennell posted. I'm not convinced it's a forgery but something doesn't add up.

1) the author claims AK&RS didn't ask for annulment;

2) on page 4 is this:

In sede d’appello, la Corte d’Assise d’Appello di Perugia, inspiegabilmente composta dal Presidente della Sezione Previdenziale e da un consigliere addetto alla Sezione civile, senza che a presiedere il collegio fosse il presidente della sezione penale, Dr. Sergio Matteini Chiari e fosse comunque presente un magistrato della sezione penale competente, ha assolto i due ma ha confermato la condanna della Knox per calunnia, quantificando la pena in ben tre anni di reclusione.

Go to Chiari's CV https://www.unipg.it/amministrazion...laboratori?layout=documento&idcurriculum=1232

and it says he was "presidente della sezione civile"

It's pretty hard to believe Mignini didn't know or would make a mistake like that.

Just like it's pretty hard to believe Mignini didn't know AK&RS were asking for full annulment of their convictions.

So what's going on? Either Mignini is stupid or it's a forgery by the guilters.
 
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