Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Strozzi said:
I and a few others are trying to understand why Rudi attacked rather than fled. Even with the front door locked, Rudi had an exit path - back through Filomena's room and out her window. He missed that opportunity.

Some wonder if Rudi was so lustful and out of control that he moved in on Meredith to coerce her into sex, with no murderous intent.

Others think something caused Rudi, who should have fled, to suddenly attack her instead. (I think this is what happened. She discovered him and screamed loudly - so loudly that he thought people in the street might hear - and instead of fleeing he attacked to quiet the scream.)

I'm also trying to understand what she was doing for 18 minutes without calling her mother again. It is the prelude to the moment she discovered Rudi and screamed at 9:20 pm. (Going downstairs to tend the cat would explain/account for the jacket on, failure to call her mom again, and Rudi's report of hearing noise downstairs.)
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Makes sense. The jacket could easily have remained on for a while as it was a cool evening with the day's high being in the mid fifties and the heat most likely off for the afternoon/evening.

If she were screaming (Rudi being the only one that said she screamed at 9:20) wouldn't the most likely thing to be chocking or covering the mouth? Not stabbing her through the neck.

You are pushing the digestion time to the max according to some here.
 
MichaelB said:
Thanks for those links. I've made a new page for all the old articles and added those ones to the collection.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/media-reports-2007/
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Haven't looked yet but that's great. Will this include all the old british tabs?

I think Rose may have saved some that are now gone. Or maybe the project could request from the major tabs all those early stories. Those through 2008 or the start of the trial would be very interesting.

Also, do you have anything on Rudi's criminal record at the time of the murder?
 
Grinder said:
Haven't looked yet but that's great. Will this include all the old british tabs?

I think Rose may have saved some that are now gone. Or maybe the project could request from the major tabs all those early stories. Those through 2008 or the start of the trial would be very interesting.

Also, do you have anything on Rudi's criminal record at the time of the murder?
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What criminal record? :confused:
 
acbytesla said:
;). It does seem a little like that I grant you. But if we agree that Rudy brutally murdered and sexually assaulted Meredith which most of us do including you, I don't think it as unreasonable to look for clues in Rudy's past.
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I don't see anything in his history that would make it a reasonable assumption that he would later murder. Because of the total ineptness of the ILE it is possible that they missed some small clue to another being present with him. He was there without a doubt and intimate with Meredith.

The actual method of stabbing (though I haven't studied it closely as others) seemed like a commando.

As I've made clear Koko's presence at the scene has never been resolved for me.

I'm not the only one who dismisses that he didn't spend the night at the nursery, so did Ms. Prato and the Italian Supreme Court. I don't think Rudy would grab a knife to protect himself against thugs inside a day care. Also don't think he would take that type of knife along with him for protection in the streets of Milan

Much like I don't believe that Amanda would carry a similar knife for protection in Perugia.
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Right. I don't think he was stealing it either.

While I know you think that he didn't have his own knife on him as significant and it might be, I'm not so sure. Rudy may have misplaced it or just forgot to take it with him to Milan. So he grabs whatever is available, I don't think he is grabbing it for protection from thugs, but protection from his victims.
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In the morning of a day the school was closed wouldn't be one that needed "protection" from a worker. If asked, I would say a cleaner would be the most likely person to come there.

You may believe he forgot or lost his knife but it is undeniable that he didn't bring a knife with him. The only sample we know of him being stopped and searched, he didn't have a knife he had carried on the streets.

There was a story at one point about a wound Rudi had from a knife at an earlier time in his life. I'm sure RW will dig it out.
 
MichaelB said:
There's another new book out by some fraud called Andrew G. Hodges claiming to be a doctor. Have a look at the free peak inside. The reconstruction is as sick and as perverted as Nick Van der Leek's.

http://www.amazon.com/As-Done-Unto-...?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1435755428&sr=1-1



The guy is a quack. He's also written a book about Obama.

A Detective of the Mind Decodes Obama

He has identified killers by studying ransom notes, emails, letters, and police interviews to spot secret confessions. He decoded O.J.’s “suicide note” to confirm he had committed a double murder. He deciphered the JonBenet ransom note to identify the child’s killer. He decrypted letters from BTK to predict that he was about to kill again–-the only profiler to do so. He studied statements by Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe to tie them to the slaying of Natalee Holloway. He showed how Casey Anthony secretly confessed to killing her daughter in 200 letters written to a jail mate. In a TV interview, he even decoded Bill Clinton’s Lewinsky confession/apology revealing the awful pain which led to Clinton’s self-sabotaging behavior.

Now psychiatrist and forensic profiler Dr. Andrew G. Hodges gets inside the mind of a different kind of deceiver, an unscrupulous politician: Barack Obama. While Obama appears a likeable figure on the outside, he reveals another side to his personality—a shadow side. And the powerful forces that drive it are hidden, even from him.

Using a unique psycholinguistic technique he calls “ThoughtPrint Decoding” to “read between the lines” of people’s statements—called “the cutting-edge of forensic science” by expert investigators—Hodges ultimately discovers the truth. By analyzing two of Obama’s most important speeches and two heartfelt letters to his daughters, he delves into the president’s unconscious and decodes his deeper messages. These communications originate from a part of the subconscious Hodges calls the “super intelligence”—the amazing intuitive power hinted at in Malcolm Gladwell’s book Blink. It’s a brilliant see-all, tell-all part of our minds. Here is Obama’s whole story—his deeper narrative.

On the surface, readers will follow him from his controversial birth, to his Muslim childhood, to his earliest indoctrination by radical left-wing activists, and finally to his historic ascension to the White House. But below the surface, where the super intelligence reigns, Obama’s story takes some utterly unexpected turns as he answers every question about himself—and then some.

Dr. Hodges finds that Obama himself is raising the question: How well do we really know him? Can we really tell a book by its cover? Amazingly, it is Obama himself who shines the light on his shadow side.

Obama reveals the completely secret trauma that controls his life—resulting in his deep misguided fury expressed toward America. Behind his easy going demeanor lurks an unimaginable fury—for good reason. Obama provides his answers—in code—to these and other cutting-edge questions, so pertinent as he faces reelection:

Just how dangerous a president is he, really? Is he secretly gunning for America, working for her demise, or is that just right-wing hype?

What does he really have to say about accusations of being an illegal, foreign-born president?

What does he truthfully tell us about his birth certificate?

What does he tell us about the question as to whom his father really was?

What about his true religion—did he authentically convert to Christianity or just to get elected by a largely Judeo-Christian electorate? Or does he harbor in his heart of hearts loyalty to Islam, the religion of his birth and early educative environment?

Deep down, what does Obama have to say about race relations in today's America?

What does he passionately believe is America’s greatest problem?

Does his super intelligence have a vision for America which unites us in constructive ways? Or is his method solely to destroy traditional American culture and politics?

While consciously he is ardently pro-choice—he was the only senator to favor partial-birth abortion—what does his super intelligence have to say on the question of life?

Above all Obama shines the light on the fact that often we are different than we think we are—as he shows us the plain unbiased truth about himself. Looking through the pure lens of his super intelligence he tells his real story, just like a best friend, unafraid to tell you the truth.

Be prepared to meet an Obama who has more unexpected twists in his life than you can imagine. He will surprise and enrage you but you will come away with a deeper understanding and even an empathy for him—the story that only one person in the world can tell, his own quick-read brilliant deeper mind.

Obama's secret admissions pave the way for him to potentially come clean with U.S. citizens. Read how Barack Obama’s super intelligence urges this flawed leader to help restore America's moral compass by being brave enough to admit his crimes against the Constitution and against the American people.
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I can feel a lawsuit coming on. This is seriously defamatory.

And he's also made an idiot if himself for getting the story of the knife wrong:

"After overwhelming Meredith, impulsively Amanda decided she needed a knife herself. While Rudy held her from behind with enough of a chokehold to keep her from screaming and Raffaele controlled her with his knife, Amanda left the room to get a weapon. She hadn’t planned to go this far, but emotionally she was already further out on the limb than she had anticipated. She thought to herself, “No time to play around. I might as well take this game to another level. The little bitch deserves it.”

Amanda fumbled in the kitchen drawer to find a knife. She decided on the big one—a big knife would scare Meredith more. Raffaele and Rudy had knives and now she did too. Blood brothers all the way in the game. Still, no blood had really been shed, nor did she intend on shedding any."

This guy cites testimonials for his method from some credentialed people. We should check them out.
 
its too bad so little investigation was done on Rudy, while the obsession with Amanda tainted the already sloppy detective work.

Maybe Rudy will get a big book deal too large to refuse, like OJ, and write a "if I would have done it" scenario book.

Upon early release, I will guess he trys quickly to get away from the clutches of Migninni and the Perugia pack, after seeing what happened to Toto.
 
Grinder said:
I don't see anything in his history that would make it a reasonable assumption that he would later murder. Because of the total ineptness of the ILE it is possible that they missed some small clue to another being present with him. He was there without a doubt and intimate with Meredith.

The actual method of stabbing (though I haven't studied it closely as others) seemed like a commando.

As I've made clear Koko's presence at the scene has never been resolved for me.



Right. I don't think he was stealing it either.



In the morning of a day the school was closed wouldn't be one that needed "protection" from a worker. If asked, I would say a cleaner would be the most likely person to come there.

You may believe he forgot or lost his knife but it is undeniable that he didn't bring a knife with him. The only sample we know of him being stopped and searched, he didn't have a knife he had carried on the streets.

There was a story at one point about a wound Rudi had from a knife at an earlier time in his life. I'm sure RW will dig it out.
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There will always be the chance that I'm right or that you're right or neither of us. We can never fill in the holes.

For me it is significant that Rudy had a knife on him when caught at the nursery, that CT said Rudy wielded a knife against him and he killed Meredith with a knife. Rudy is leaving a trail of clues behind him. The nursery, the law office, CT. Maybe Rudy didn't burglarize the law office, but I would bet that he did. I'm going with Ms Prato and the Supreme Court that Rudy did not spend the night there and I see no other reason that Rudy grabs a knife from the kitchen other than to possibly use it at the nursery against an occupant.
Is there a pattern? I say YES.
 
This is strange - Testimonial for Andrew Hodges book

MichaelB said:
There's another new book out by some fraud called Andrew G. Hodges claiming to be a doctor. Have a look at the free peak inside. The reconstruction is as sick and as perverted as Nick Van der Leek's.

http://www.amazon.com/As-Done-Unto-...?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1435755428&sr=1-1



The guy is a quack. He's also written a book about Obama.

A Detective of the Mind Decodes Obama

He has identified killers by studying ransom notes, emails, letters, and police interviews to spot secret confessions. He decoded O.J.’s “suicide note” to confirm he had committed a double murder. He deciphered the JonBenet ransom note to identify the child’s killer. He decrypted letters from BTK to predict that he was about to kill again–-the only profiler to do so. He studied statements by Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe to tie them to the slaying of Natalee Holloway. He showed how Casey Anthony secretly confessed to killing her daughter in 200 letters written to a jail mate. In a TV interview, he even decoded Bill Clinton’s Lewinsky confession/apology revealing the awful pain which led to Clinton’s self-sabotaging behavior.

Now psychiatrist and forensic profiler Dr. Andrew G. Hodges gets inside the mind of a different kind of deceiver, an unscrupulous politician: Barack Obama. While Obama appears a likeable figure on the outside, he reveals another side to his personality—a shadow side. And the powerful forces that drive it are hidden, even from him.

Using a unique psycholinguistic technique he calls “ThoughtPrint Decoding” to “read between the lines” of people’s statements—called “the cutting-edge of forensic science” by expert investigators—Hodges ultimately discovers the truth. By analyzing two of Obama’s most important speeches and two heartfelt letters to his daughters, he delves into the president’s unconscious and decodes his deeper messages. These communications originate from a part of the subconscious Hodges calls the “super intelligence”—the amazing intuitive power hinted at in Malcolm Gladwell’s book Blink. It’s a brilliant see-all, tell-all part of our minds. Here is Obama’s whole story—his deeper narrative.

On the surface, readers will follow him from his controversial birth, to his Muslim childhood, to his earliest indoctrination by radical left-wing activists, and finally to his historic ascension to the White House. But below the surface, where the super intelligence reigns, Obama’s story takes some utterly unexpected turns as he answers every question about himself—and then some.

Dr. Hodges finds that Obama himself is raising the question: How well do we really know him? Can we really tell a book by its cover? Amazingly, it is Obama himself who shines the light on his shadow side.

Obama reveals the completely secret trauma that controls his life—resulting in his deep misguided fury expressed toward America. Behind his easy going demeanor lurks an unimaginable fury—for good reason. Obama provides his answers—in code—to these and other cutting-edge questions, so pertinent as he faces reelection:

Just how dangerous a president is he, really? Is he secretly gunning for America, working for her demise, or is that just right-wing hype?

What does he really have to say about accusations of being an illegal, foreign-born president?

What does he truthfully tell us about his birth certificate?

What does he tell us about the question as to whom his father really was?

What about his true religion—did he authentically convert to Christianity or just to get elected by a largely Judeo-Christian electorate? Or does he harbor in his heart of hearts loyalty to Islam, the religion of his birth and early educative environment?

Deep down, what does Obama have to say about race relations in today's America?

What does he passionately believe is America’s greatest problem?

Does his super intelligence have a vision for America which unites us in constructive ways? Or is his method solely to destroy traditional American culture and politics?

While consciously he is ardently pro-choice—he was the only senator to favor partial-birth abortion—what does his super intelligence have to say on the question of life?

Above all Obama shines the light on the fact that often we are different than we think we are—as he shows us the plain unbiased truth about himself. Looking through the pure lens of his super intelligence he tells his real story, just like a best friend, unafraid to tell you the truth.

Be prepared to meet an Obama who has more unexpected twists in his life than you can imagine. He will surprise and enrage you but you will come away with a deeper understanding and even an empathy for him—the story that only one person in the world can tell, his own quick-read brilliant deeper mind.

Obama's secret admissions pave the way for him to potentially come clean with U.S. citizens. Read how Barack Obama’s super intelligence urges this flawed leader to help restore America's moral compass by being brave enough to admit his crimes against the Constitution and against the American people.
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Hodges cites Dr Steven A Egger providing a testimonial in connection with "thoughtprint decoding", as follows:

"Dr. Hodges's investigation of forensic documents demonstrates that his “thoughtprint decoding” method is a major new law enforcement tool. His in-depth method for analyzing verbal and written communication is becoming the cutting edge of forensic science."

Steven A. Egger, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Criminology
University of Houston-Clear Lake

I found his LinkedIn profile and it states he is a current board member of the Texas Innocence project, which would be highly ironic:

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/steven-egger/32/b5b/80a

However, I checked the Texas Innocence project's website and there is no mention of a Stephen Egger either on its board or as a member of staff:

http://www.ipoftexas.org

But I found him at his faculty:

http://prtl.uhcl.edu/portal/page/portal/HSH/HOME/faculty/Egger/bio.html

Take a look and see if I have missed something.

Very peculiar!
 
Kauffer said:
Hodges cites Dr Steven A Egger providing a testimonial in connection with "thoughtprint decoding", as follows:

"Dr. Hodges's investigation of forensic documents demonstrates that his “thoughtprint decoding” method is a major new law enforcement tool. His in-depth method for analyzing verbal and written communication is becoming the cutting edge of forensic science."

Steven A. Egger, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Criminology
University of Houston-Clear Lake

I found his LinkedIn profile and it states he is a current board member of the Texas Innocence project, which would be highly ironic:

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/steven-egger/32/b5b/80a

However, I checked the Texas Innocence project's website and there is no mention of a Stephen Egger either on its board or as a member of staff:

http://www.ipoftexas.org

But I found him at his faculty:

http://prtl.uhcl.edu/portal/page/portal/HSH/HOME/faculty/Egger/bio.html

Take a look and see if I have missed something.

Very peculiar!
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This is fun. Watching a conman deconstructed in real time. So is this a bogus reference? I wonder if Dr Egger is real, and if so, is he aware his reputation has been hijacked in service of a fraud?

Any other references to check? Can you link to a list of some sort? Does Amazon have any policy on endorsing fraudulent hoax's for commercial purposes?

Wonder if the FBI might finally do something about these kinds of malicious scams?
 
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carbonjam72 said:
This is fun. Watching a conman deconstructed in real time. So is this a bogus reference? I wonder if Dr Egger is real, and if so, is he aware his reputation has been hijacked in service of a fraud?

Any other references to check? Can you link to a list of some sort? Does Amazon have any policy on endorsing fraudulent hoax's for commercial purposes?

Wonder if the FBI might finally do something about these kinds of malicious scams?
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Have a look carbo, if you have time. I won't until later - check the Amazon "look inside" facility with the book - you'll see the list of testimonials. Let's see what else we can find.
 
Ken Dine said:
It's my understanding that Meredith was having a period when killed and that the autopsy had found her still wearing a tampon, which may explain why Guede didn't fully rape her.

As for Guede escaping once Meredith returned home, going thru the broken window in a rush would seem foolhardy. A better exit would have been via the patio doors and jump down from there, but Meredith may have spotted him before that, so he decided to kill the witness.

Also, there's no evidence that Guede was on the toilet when Meredith arrived home. Guede obviously had used the toilet at some point, but it may have been after the murder?

In any event, at some point poor Meredith surprised Guede somewhere in the cottage, and things quickly went downhill from there.

OJ Simpson quickly killed two adults (ex-wife Nicole Simpson & Ron Goldman) with a knife on her condo's front steps, and not one of her many neighbors heard a peep. Experts testified that OJ's deadly attack probably lasted under a minute.

Nicole Simpson & Ron Goldman likely were killed without much noise since they were both surprised and they never had much of a chance to react, shout or scream.

OJ likely walked up to them with the knife behind his back ...OJ may even have been smiling as he approached them. OJ would have likely stabbed unsuspecting Ron Goldman first, and Nicole likely had a short opportunity to scream, but she may have been frozen in disbelief at what she was witnessing?

Since she knew him by sight, Meredith would have been initially confused by finding Guede in her cottage. E.g., was Guede Amanda's invited guest? As Meredith likely tried sorting out why Guede was there, Guede suddenly attacked, so Meredith was surely incapacitated rather quickly.


Dougm said:
Sorry, but not much of this makes sense to me.

* You are proposing that Rudy killed Meredith simply because she found him inside her apartment. Why? Rudy had been caught inside places that he didn't belong before, and the cops let him go. So he viciously punctured her throat so he wouldn't be accused of a minor burglary? I don't think so.
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I have no idea 'WHY' Guede had decided to kill Meredith, my only point was that once a man with a knife makes the decision to kill a person with a knife, that it can happen quickly and make relatively little noise.

Even if Meredith did manage to scream, due to the cottage's location and type of construction, there was little likelihood that someone would have heard her scream. Of course, Guede isn't a rocket scientist and if she did scream his paranoia would have caused him to fear someone had heard her scream, so that may have affected his later actions somewhat?

Whether she screamed or not is all speculation, as was the idiotic Italian speculation that it would have taken 3 people to kill Meredith with a knife (rather, w/ 2 knives), so if you want to pick apart speculation, the 3 assailant 2 knife theory is ripe to be picked apart, which is what I was actually doing.

Dougm said:
* You say there is no evidence that Rudy was on the toilet when Meredith came home. It's not proven, but why didn't Rudy flush? He claims he got up and did not flush because he heard Meredith being attacked. It seems much more likely he either jumped up because Meredith came home, or he didn't flush to avoid being discovered. Why would he use the toilet after the murder, and leave his biological evidence by not flushing?
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I believe Guede had a history of not flushing, and he also left biological traces all over the place.

In any event, whether Meredith caught Guede on the pot, or if he left his gift after killing her, is not very important. My only point was that all we have for the order of things is speculation. Some speculation seems more logical on its face than other speculation, but even so, the seemingly illogical speculation may be closer to the truth – who can say for sure?


Dougm said:
* The OJ Simpson case is a very different case. OJ did kill two people violently by himself, but he had a history of violent rages and jealously involving Nicole and other men. I see no similarity with Rudy, other than my speculation that something happened to send him into a rage, a la OJ. But with OJ, we are pretty sure we know what that thing was, but with Rudy, it is more of a mystery.
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My comparison to OJ was simply to point out that one man with a knife can quickly dispatch two healthy adults with very little (or any) screaming or shouting.

You seem to be dwelling more on the motivations of the two assailants in both cases, and I agree that OJ and Guede had very different motives.


Dougm said:
I find it a mystery why he killed her, discovered or not. Just because she came home and found him there, that seems hardly a reason for violent homicide. Something else must have happened, IMO.
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Ya, Amanda the witch made him do it!
:)
 
acbytesla said:
There will always be the chance that I'm right or that you're right or neither of us. We can never fill in the holes.

For me it is significant that Rudy had a knife on him when caught at the nursery, that CT said Rudy wielded a knife against him and he killed Meredith with a knife. Rudy is leaving a trail of clues behind him. The nursery, the law office, CT. Maybe Rudy didn't burglarize the law office, but I would bet that he did. I'm going with Ms Prato and the Supreme Court that Rudy did not spend the night there and I see no other reason that Rudy grabs a knife from the kitchen other than to possibly use it at the nursery against an occupant.
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Tesla she said the cots weren't rearranged so she didn't think he slept there. She didn't say he didn't spend the night there.

No, so, I checked I looked into it and the obvious place to sleep would have been the gym where there are soft mattresses, but everything was left in the way the cleaning woman usually leaves things.

DEFENSE – Avv. Rocchi – Do you know how he got into your nursery school?
WITNESS – Well, at the time the entrance door was a little defective and there was no gate and in fact later I had a gate installed for safety, but at the time the door was a bit defective and it opened if you kicked it, but this was only known by... us or those who worked in the school knew.
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CT's testimony is worthless even the Italians recognized that. You would never accept his testimony if it hurt the kids. He wasn't even sure it was Rudi. He had Pisco throw the guy out of Merlin supposedly but Pisco never testified AFAIK. He didn't come forward for weeks or months. Rudi just weeks later went to the club and Domus after being ID'd as an armed burglar. (Numbers what is the sentence for armed burglary?)

Rudi is in the nursery on a weekend morning when it is not opening that day why would he expect a female to attack or anyone?

If I had to bet I say he was at the lawyers' office with someone else. In addition to the laptop and phone they stole a printer and that's a lot for one guy. They may have needed to get the stuff down from the balcony.

The courts didn't accept CT and agreed he hadn't slept. They didn't charge him with theft from the lawyers and in fact made the point that he had bought or received the stuff.

The pattern is that PIP will accept things against Rudi they would never accept against the kids.
 
Grinder said:
Tesla she said the cots weren't rearranged so she didn't think he slept there. She didn't say he didn't spend the night there.

No, so, I checked I looked into it and the obvious place to sleep would have been the gym where there are soft mattresses, but everything was left in the way the cleaning woman usually leaves things.

DEFENSE – Avv. Rocchi – Do you know how he got into your nursery school?
WITNESS – Well, at the time the entrance door was a little defective and there was no gate and in fact later I had a gate installed for safety, but at the time the door was a bit defective and it opened if you kicked it, but this was only known by... us or those who worked in the school knew.
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CT's testimony is worthless even the Italians recognized that. You would never accept his testimony if it hurt the kids. He wasn't even sure it was Rudi. He had Pisco throw the guy out of Merlin supposedly but Pisco never testified AFAIK. He didn't come forward for weeks or months. Rudi just weeks later went to the club and Domus after being ID'd as an armed burglar. (Numbers what is the sentence for armed burglary?)

Rudi is in the nursery on a weekend morning when it is not opening that day why would he expect a female to attack or anyone?

If I had to bet I say he was at the lawyers' office with someone else. In addition to the laptop and phone they stole a printer and that's a lot for one guy. They may have needed to get the stuff down from the balcony.

The courts didn't accept CT and agreed he hadn't slept. They didn't charge him with theft from the lawyers and in fact made the point that he had bought or received the stuff.

The pattern is that PIP will accept things against Rudi they would never accept against the kids.
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Obviously, you and I see things differently. And that is OK. You think I am biased and am applying two sets of standards. One for Amanda and Raffaele and another for Rudy. But I disagree. Rudy is different. We all agree that Rudy killed Meredith, you included.

You also seem to believe that Rudy was at the cottage for the purposes of stealing.as I do think that was his original objective. So we KNOW that Rudy is a murderer, a rapist and a burglar. This is a given. Is there enough evidence to convict him of burglary of the law office or CT's? I would give a resounding NO. But that does not mean he didn't do those crimes.

You can dismiss these events, but I think this is naive and lacks the application of logic.
 
Grinder said:
Gee,

I don't know nor do I see why even if it was true that he was hanging with some brothers and the man shook them down and found some pot, it would mean anything.

Was he busted for it? Did he do time for it?
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Grinder,
Is it illegal in Italy to carry drugs with you around town?
If so, why didn't the cops arrest Rudy Guede for drug possession?
Meredith Kercher would have probably still been alive if they had done so.

By the way,
how do you know that Rudy had pot on him?
I seem to recall that Rudy also like the coke...

Growing up here in Los Angeles,
it was illegal to have in 1's possession
pot, hashish, LSD, Cocaine, PCP, Quaaludes or other drugs upon thyself.
You'd get arrested for it.

Myself,
I'm gonna go smoke a lil' bud in a while, (it's not illegal to do so anymore)
and paddle out and enjoy riding some small, knee high surf today here in L.A.
And I doubt that the man will pull me over and search me.

(Although once a cop happened to see me as I was gettin' ready to blaze before a surf session at the beach, the cop crumbled the buds, tossed them into the sand, confiscated my lil' glass pipe and told me to scram, no surf session, for some reason I doubt the cop even wrote a report, hahaha, Venice Beach in the late 70's and early '80's=too much fun!)

I wonder what time of day it was
and what were Rudy Guede and his bro's doin'
that caused the police to question + search "poor Rudy" and his friends?

Rudy is found to be in possession of some kinda drugs just 2 days after spendin' the night in a Kiddy's School in Milan, because, what was it Rudy tells us, oh ya, that the Hotels were full, or was it the B-day dude who he was partyin' and clubbin' with, bailed and left him with no place to sleep, or wait, my opinion only, maybe party boy Rudy just did not wanna sleep at his Aunt's place. Maybe her internet connection sucked, + the Kiddy School connection was stronger.
:D

Have a good one Grinder.
:cool:
 
The "coke" references come from one or two guys at most. There is nothing concrete about him using coke with the brothers or his school chums or Koko. Or anyone.

As you pointed out the cops let people go for mere possession here maybe there as well but more importantly wasn't the story this "bust" story came from the same one that reported Meredith's blood was found on Raf's home sponge? I didn't bother to go read it thinking it was the same bogus article you had used before.

There is no record of this drug encounter other than some early stories AFAIK. Can Vixen use that article with Meredith's blood on the sponge at Raf's for her POV?

Raf, Filomena, Laura and Amanda as well as the boys downstairs used drugs. If Rudi had some pot drugs, so what?

Milan is a big city and I can imagine the trip to the burb she lived in would be a drag late at night.
 
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