Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[acbytesla]

This is a job for ACbyTesla!
Contact Nina Burleigh and ask her to please ask Mrs. Diaz if she knows the cops might have her Mother's gold wristwatch.

That would be classic if it happened...
RW

Will do. Sending email today.

 

[Diocletus]

His DNA is unequivocally on the braclasp, which was collected exactly the same time as Rudy's DNA on the sweatshirt cuffs.

And yet, the profile was generated at a different time, during a secret rerun, when no one else was there to see: http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/bra-clasp-contamination/

 

[RWVBWL]

<snip>
BTW What happened to Melissa? Is this one, Barbara Ann?

Hahaha,
thanks for the laugh!


Vixen,
I gotta say that your ID'in' skills suck!
Don't ever try to pick a suspect out of a line-up,
you'll wrongly convict just on mistaken ID.
That's Melissa, wearin' a hat, lookin' cute as always!

 

[Vixen]

Today would be 90 days, but most media reports say the MR is due by June 27th, next Saturday:




If so, 90 days may be a too literal interpretation and they instead mean it's due within 3 months?

If it's due on a Saturday, then that may even extend it to the following Monday?

Then again, they may all decide to go on vacation and put its release off until after they return, and since this is Italy, they may return from summer vacation just in time for the fall holidays, so perhaps after they recover from their New Year's hangovers, the MR may finally be released?

Italy sure is fortunate to have hard-working Germans around to do all their heavy lifting for them.

My guess is that as they didn't reach a verdict until after 11:00pm, it will have been lodged the next court day, which could possibly even be Monday 30thMarch, or at least, Saturday 28th March.

As documents cannot be lodged with the court at weekends (27th June is Saturday) it might not even be filed until Monday.

So, either tomoz or Monday.

 

[acbytesla]

My mistake, he was not convicted of attempted burglary. He was convicted of the following.

(B) of the crime foreseen and punished by articles 58, 624, 625 n.2 of the penal code, because, with
the aim of obtaining a profit for himself, after introducing himself into the nursery school named
“The Kinder Garden”, located in Milan via Plinio 15, acted in a way directly consistent and
unequivocal to commit the crime for which we proceed, with the aim of taking possession of a
knife with a black handle with a total length of 40cm, not succeeding in his criminal intent for
reasons not dependent on his will (intervention of the complainant as well as of the personnel of
the State Police),
With the aggravating circumstance for having committed the fact:
Via the use of violence, consisting in having caused the break-in of the entrance door of the
aforementioned nursery.
Ascertained in Milan, 27 October 2007;
E) Of the crime foreseen and punished according to article 545 of the Penal Code, because, in order
to gain profit, being aware of its criminal origin, he bought or at least received from persons
unknown, the following goods:
One female wristwatch presumably of gold, that for the circumstances of its discovery, is
considered to be of a criminal origin, - as per the report prepared by the officers of the Garibaldi
Venezia Police headquarters of Milan, one grey/black portable computer of the Sony brand,
model Vaio complete with charger; one mobile phone of Nokia brand model 6310 with IMEI
code 350780/20/390565/1, thefts recorded as per the complaint presented on 15.10.2007 at
Perugia Police station by Paolo BROCCHI.
Ascertained in Milan, 27th October 2007;

 

[Wattson]

A ladies size handprint is on Mez' face. Blond hair in hand and down below. Size 37 ladies footprint in blood, Amanda's hand in blood on the wall IMV, Amanda's lamp on floor, not reported missing by her. Raff seemed to fear the stain on the pillowcase was his, thus his defense didn't want it tested (until way past procedural deadlines for lodging applications). His DNA is unequivocally on the braclasp, which was collected exactly the same time as Rudy's DNA on the sweatshirt cuffs.

As I set out before, IMV Raff and Amanda were predatory killers who marked out Mez to act out their sociopathic fantasies (his manga porn, hers jealous revenge with elements of homoerotica, for Mez snubbing her). Rudy was a spontaneous lust-driven sociopath besotted with Svengali-like Amanda, who had an all male contact list, with zero females. In her whole time there, she texted Filomena and Laura only once or twice (outside of the murder) and Mez hardly at all either.

Both Raff and Amanda's footprints in blood are all over the shop. Don't try to tell me they walked in copper alloys and rusty water. Amanda and Mez DNA on murder weapon. Raff's footprint on bathmat, need I go on?

BTW What happened to Melissa? Is this one, Barbara Ann?

You forgot the bleach receipts.

 

[Planigale]

A ladies size handprint is on Mez' face. Blond hair in hand and down below. Size 37 ladies footprint in blood, Amanda's hand in blood on the wall IMV, Amanda's lamp on floor, not reported missing by her. Raff seemed to fear the stain on the pillowcase was his, thus his defense didn't want it tested (until way past procedural deadlines for lodging applications). His DNA is unequivocally on the braclasp, which was collected exactly the same time as Rudy's DNA on the sweatshirt cuffs.

As I set out before, IMV Raff and Amanda were predatory killers who marked out Mez to act out their sociopathic fantasies (his manga porn, hers jealous revenge with elements of homoerotica, for Mez snubbing her). Rudy was a spontaneous lust-driven sociopath besotted with Svengali-like Amanda, who had an all male contact list, with zero females. In her whole time there, she texted Filomena and Laura only once or twice (outside of the murder) and Mez hardly at all either.

Both Raff and Amanda's footprints in blood are all over the shop. Don't try to tell me they walked in copper alloys and rusty water. Amanda and Mez DNA on murder weapon. Raff's footprint on bathmat, need I go on?

BTW What happened to Melissa? Is this one, Barbara Ann?

There are so many untruths it is hard to know where to begin. There is no female footprint in blood or any other substance in the bedroom. Please provide any reference to this. Otherwise it is reasonable to conclude you are making this up.

There is no female size handprint on anyone's face. Please provide any reference to this. Otherwise it is reasonable to conclude you are making this up.

There is no handprint of Knox in blood or any other substance on the wall or another surface of the bedroom. (please see previously referenced court document showing the only print of Knox found was on a glass in the kitchen). Please provide any reference to this. Otherwise it is reasonable to conclude you are making this up.

Why did the prosecution not test a presumed semen stain at the scene of a rape and murder?

 

[RWVBWL]

This is a job for ACbyTesla!
Contact Nina Burleigh and ask her to please ask Mrs. Diaz if she knows the cops might have her Mother's gold wristwatch.

That would be classic if it happened...
RW

Will do. Sending email today.

Hi ACbyTesla and others,
It'd be sooo cool if that was Mrs. Diaz Mom's gold watch
and it was returned to her!

This reminds me of a feel good story:
A few years ago,
a dude was spearfishing off a surfspot we call County Line,
about 10 miles farther up the coast from Malibu Pier, here in Los Angeles.

He found a Mens UCLA class ring, from 1966.
He posted about this on the Spearboard.com forum:
http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=91735
and a few months later tracked down the owner,
who had lost it back while surfing back in the late 1960's, and gave it back!
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/01/class-ring-lost-and-found-sea-returned-owner/

Bitchin' story!
It'd be pretty cool if that was Mrs. Diaz Mom's watch and she got it back.

 

[Matthew Best]

As I set out before, IMV Raff and Amanda were predatory killers who marked out Mez to act out their sociopathic fantasies (his manga porn, hers jealous revenge with elements of homoerotica, for Mez snubbing her).

Also, I remain neutral and undecided.

 

[acbytesla]

It turns out I was wrong about being wrong. I was right the first time... ( I think)

The ascertained findings prove criminal responsibility for attempted burglary as per charge B) Of course he entered into the nursery school on via Plinio, where he was taken by surprise by
the headmistress Salvadori del Prato, who then recognized the knife found on him as her own.
This makes it clear that the taking of the knife came about with the intention of stealing it,
which was unsuccessful because the defendant was taken by surprise while still there. The
entrance into the nursery school can’t be considered as occurring with the intention of
spending the night once he had decided to remain (and alone) in the nursery school, as no
element supports it and it is contrary to any logical explanation. Guede crashed out in the
headmistress’s office only because it was the place indicated to him by, according to his
version, which is entirely improbable, he had accompanied him there, opening with keys in
his possession, instead of making use the more comfortable facilities available in the
gymnasium; the details provided by Salvadori del Prato lead to the same conclusion (the lock
not closed, the open drawer, the disconnected computer cables), which indicates, in a place
where the knife was originally located, of an activity of searching for something of interest, of potential use.

 

[Dougm]

A ladies size handprint is on Mez' face. Blond hair in hand and down below. Size 37 ladies footprint in blood, Amanda's hand in blood on the wall IMV, Amanda's lamp on floor, not reported missing by her. Raff seemed to fear the stain on the pillowcase was his, thus his defense didn't want it tested (until way past procedural deadlines for lodging applications). His DNA is unequivocally on the braclasp, which was collected exactly the same time as Rudy's DNA on the sweatshirt cuffs.

As I set out before, IMV Raff and Amanda were predatory killers who marked out Mez to act out their sociopathic fantasies (his manga porn, hers jealous revenge with elements of homoerotica, for Mez snubbing her). Rudy was a spontaneous lust-driven sociopath besotted with Svengali-like Amanda, who had an all male contact list, with zero females. In her whole time there, she texted Filomena and Laura only once or twice (outside of the murder) and Mez hardly at all either.

Both Raff and Amanda's footprints in blood are all over the shop. Don't try to tell me they walked in copper alloys and rusty water. Amanda and Mez DNA on murder weapon. Raff's footprint on bathmat, need I go on?

BTW What happened to Melissa? Is this one, Barbara Ann?

Your debating style is confusing to me. There are others (although dwindling in number) that believe Knox and Sollecito are guilty. I've just never before seen anyone support guilt using made up facts, that are easily debunked by a little research. Like the woman's handprint on Meredith's face (just one example). Not trying to be insulting at all, just a bit confused.

For example, the usual pro-guilt response to the pro-innocence argument "how did they kill her without leaving evidence in the murder room" is more along the lines of "people can be in rooms and not leave evidence. Besides, there is Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp. Also the crime scene is the whole flat, not just the murder room, and there is evidence of them being elsewhere in the flat." It would make their argument stronger to add some details, like you do, that simply don't exist, but it would totally undermine their credibility, as it does yours.

Where are you getting your information? When asked to provide cites by various posters here, you most often ignore the request. I personally asked you for cites on more than one occasion, for your claim about Sollecito's fingerprint being on the inside of Meredith's bedroom door. What I got was nothing, nada, crickets.

I certainly think that most, if not of the pro-innocence posters here would be willing, if not pleased, to debate based on the actual facts of the case, but a large percentage of what you are putting forth as proof does not actually exist.

You can keep making stuff up, and ignoring people's requests for the source, but I don't think it will convince anyone. It gives us all something to do while waiting for the motivation report, but that's about it.

 

[carbonjam72]

It turns out I was wrong about being wrong. I was right the first time... ( I think)

I'm dizzy.

What was Rudy convicted of?

Aggravated Attempted Burglary & Possession of stolen property? Is that it?

And he got 18 months for his troubles? Did that actually add any extra jail time to his sentence, or does it just get served at the same time?

Where is Mach when you need him?

 

[Kauffer]

A ladies size handprint is on Mez' face. Blond hair in hand and down below. Size 37 ladies footprint in blood, Amanda's hand in blood on the wall IMV, Amanda's lamp on floor, not reported missing by her. Raff seemed to fear the stain on the pillowcase was his, thus his defense didn't want it tested (until way past procedural deadlines for lodging applications). His DNA is unequivocally on the braclasp, which was collected exactly the same time as Rudy's DNA on the sweatshirt cuffs.

As I set out before, IMV Raff and Amanda were predatory killers who marked out Mez to act out their sociopathic fantasies (his manga porn, hers jealous revenge with elements of homoerotica, for Mez snubbing her). Rudy was a spontaneous lust-driven sociopath besotted with Svengali-like Amanda, who had an all male contact list, with zero females. In her whole time there, she texted Filomena and Laura only once or twice (outside of the murder) and Mez hardly at all either.

Both Raff and Amanda's footprints in blood are all over the shop. Don't try to tell me they walked in copper alloys and rusty water. Amanda and Mez DNA on murder weapon. Raff's footprint on bathmat, need I go on?

BTW What happened to Melissa? Is this one, Barbara Ann?

Where is the discussion in trial testimony linking any prints found in Kercher's room to Amanda's shoes? Why are there no prints from Raffaele in Kercher's room, finger, palm, shoe or foot? Where is the evidence from the trial linking any hair found in Kercher's room to Amanda? Please refer to any trial where a conviction was secured on the basis of blood evidence derived from a positive luminol/negative TMB test (or similar).

 

[Methos]

[...]
As I don't read Italian, I'm wondering:
Can anyone find out if this local newspaper,http://www.giornaledellumbria.it/
whose reporter played such a big part in investigating the this horrible crime we discuss,
has an online archival section?

This newspaper,
had to have reports on happenings in Perugia,
heck that 1 reporter lived right next door to Marco's Conad store,
within minutes by foot from where Rudy Guede, Raff, Toto, and Amanda+Medredith lived.

Surely the local newspaper would have covered the possible arson fire
at Mrs. Diaz flat which happened right by Rudy's flat, right?

Anyone wanna do some research?
[...]

Been there, done that. The Giornale dell'Umbria's archive has been cleared of everyting (case related or not) older than December 2009 already in late 2012 (that's when I tried to loot their archive on "a one month for free offer")

The Corriere dell'Umbria seems to be the local edition of the Corriere della Sera (the one Sarzanini wrote for), nothing there as well.

Oggi is an all Italy glossy magazine, I think it's save to say that they hadn't something on a house fire in Perugia...

 

[acbytesla]

I'm dizzy.

What was Rudy convicted of?

Aggravated Attempted Burglary & Possession of stolen property? Is that it?

And he got 18 months for his troubles? Did that actually add any extra jail time to his sentence, or does it just get served at the same time?

Where is Mach when you need him?

Yes, yes and yes...I think.

 

[carbonjam72]

Been there, done that. The Giornale dell'Umbria's archive has been cleared of everyting (case related or not) older than December 2009 already in late 2012 (that's when I tried to loot their archive on "a one month for free offer")

The Corriere dell'Umbria seems to be the local edition of the Corriere della Sera (the one Sarzanini wrote for), nothing there as well.

Oggi is an all Italy glossy magazine, I think it's save to say that they hadn't something on a house fire in Perugia...

These types of records may still exist somewhere, especially if they were on-line at some point.

They may also exist in hard copy or microfiche at a public library, if they have libraries in Italy (not a snark, I just don't know).

Perhaps a researcher might have access. Or, the people who were involved are mostly still around, could ask them.

But I'm not so sure how safe it is to go to Perugia and start asking questions that probably lead to police misconduct. As far as I can tell, the criminals are still in charge.

 

[Bill Williams]

A ladies size handprint is on Mez' face. Blond hair in hand and down below. Size 37 ladies footprint in blood, Amanda's hand in blood on the wall IMV, Amanda's lamp on floor, not reported missing by her. Raff seemed to fear the stain on the pillowcase was his, thus his defense didn't want it tested (until way past procedural deadlines for lodging applications). His DNA is unequivocally on the braclasp, which was collected exactly the same time as Rudy's DNA on the sweatshirt cuffs.

As I set out before, IMV Raff and Amanda were predatory killers who marked out Mez to act out their sociopathic fantasies (his manga porn, hers jealous revenge with elements of homoerotica, for Mez snubbing her). Rudy was a spontaneous lust-driven sociopath besotted with Svengali-like Amanda, who had an all male contact list, with zero females. In her whole time there, she texted Filomena and Laura only once or twice (outside of the murder) and Mez hardly at all either.

Both Raff and Amanda's footprints in blood are all over the shop. Don't try to tell me they walked in copper alloys and rusty water. Amanda and Mez DNA on murder weapon. Raff's footprint on bathmat, need I go on?

BTW What happened to Melissa? Is this one, Barbara Ann?

It is simply untrue, and there is certainly no citation possible for these factoids, which is perhaps why no citation is attached to any of these far-fetched claims:

• A ladies size handprint is on Mez' face. (untrue)
• Size 37 ladies footprint in blood (untrue)
• Amanda's hand in blood on the wall IMV (with the proviso that you are allowed to have any view you wish. No one else views it this way, and there is certainly no evidence at trial which established this.)
• Amanda's lamp on floor, not reported missing by her. (Although technically true, there is no proof Amanda left it there. Even if she did, what was the lamp for?)
• Raff seemed to fear the stain on the pillowcase was his (because he feared they were manufacturing evidence against him, like the bra-clasp "evidence")
• thus his defense didn't want it tested (until way past procedural deadlines for lodging applications) - (the point is, neither did the prosecution(s) who have to prove who it belongs to, and seemingly neither did the courts.)
• His DNA is unequivocally on the braclasp - (read the C&V report. So are at least three other unidentified male contributrs to the same sample in which Raffaele's was "found".)
• IMV Raff and Amanda were predatory killers who marked out Mez to act out their sociopathic fantasies (his manga porn, hers jealous revenge with elements of homoerotica, for Mez snubbing her) - (once again, you can have any point of view you wish, yet there is not a speck of evidence to suggest any of this is factual. Mez did not snub her, there is no evidence of Amanda being jealous, and manga is not porn. - from Wikipedia: The medium includes works in a broad range of genres: action-adventure, romance, sports and games, historical drama, comedy, science fiction and fantasy, mystery, suspense, detective, horror, sexuality, and business/commerce, among others.)

That this collection of inventions and suspect-centric guesses is advanced as proof of anything, is all one really needs to know to assess the content of the post.

 

[js202]

I gotta tell you folks that I am still bothered
from watching that short German video clip the other day which showed Miss Kercher dead,
lying atop her pillow.


Being an old beach boy,
I'm kinda, really really kinda into sharks.
Though I've seen, (in research and interacting with a well known shark attack researcher), photographs of a few dead people, killed by shark attack and have viewed numerous bloody wounds too from shark bites,
but for some reason Miss Kercher,
seen lying naked, raped and murdered,
bothers me.

That Poor Girl.



Hey Vixen and other Pro-Guiltards:
how come only Rudy Guede's DNA is on and inside her body?

Surely Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito too had some fun in the Sex Game Gone Wrong
or was that a Prank that you believe happened, right?

Where is their DNA or bloody palm prints or bloody fingerprints?

Well expressed, RWVBWL. You've got a spot-on sense of the injustice of this, and I sense a burning righteous anger at Rudy Guede that I share to the bone. It's only compounded by all the fools and collateral injustice associated with this case, scattered this way and that, that has not yet truly relented and perhaps never will.

 

[Methos]

These types of records may still exist somewhere, especially if they were on-line at some point.

They may also exist in hard copy or microfiche at a public library, if they have libraries in Italy (not a snark, I just don't know).

Perhaps a researcher might have access. Or, the people who were involved are mostly still around, could ask them.

But I'm not so sure how safe it is to go to Perugia and start asking questions that probably lead to police misconduct. As far as I can tell, the criminals are still in charge.

Somewhere, somehow, if someone has the energy to dig them up.
The Wayback Machine is another great help, but only if you have the url of the lost page handy (works for most pages of Perugia Shock)

 

[Vixen]

Your debating style is confusing to me. There are others (although dwindling in number) that believe Knox and Sollecito are guilty. I've just never before seen anyone support guilt using made up facts, that are easily debunked by a little research. Like the woman's handprint on Meredith's face (just one example). Not trying to be insulting at all, just a bit confused.

For example, the usual pro-guilt response to the pro-innocence argument "how did they kill her without leaving evidence in the murder room" is more along the lines of "people can be in rooms and not leave evidence. Besides, there is Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp. Also the crime scene is the whole flat, not just the murder room, and there is evidence of them being elsewhere in the flat." It would make their argument stronger to add some details, like you do, that simply don't exist, but it would totally undermine their credibility, as it does yours.

Where are you getting your information? When asked to provide cites by various posters here, you most often ignore the request. I personally asked you for cites on more than one occasion, for your claim about Sollecito's fingerprint being on the inside of Meredith's bedroom door. What I got was nothing, nada, crickets.

I certainly think that most, if not of the pro-innocence posters here would be willing, if not pleased, to debate based on the actual facts of the case, but a large percentage of what you are putting forth as proof does not actually exist.

You can keep making stuff up, and ignoring people's requests for the source, but I don't think it will convince anyone. It gives us all something to do while waiting for the motivation report, but that's about it.

Raff's fingerprint on the inside door is cited in an early paperback.

Incidentally, you have the same resources as me, not sure why you think I ought to persuade you, when you have shown yourself to have entrenched views that are blind to reason. It is difficult to debate against perceived bigotry, so I doubt it would be constructive to even try.

Your claim to be "confused" is surely not a sincere one, but rather a quasi-stance, a form of logical fallacy, if you like.