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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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John Jones,
If you are a psychopath or a sociopath, those are two reasons why you might think so. But I have something for you to look at. Try being flippant about it. Go to your browser and enter, "Esienhower's holocaust." If you can do amid your laughter, feel free to look up the matter more at other websites.

Don't forget to mention the Morgenthau Plan which was enacted By Eisenhower a plan to eradicate 25 Million germans after WW2.
 
Captain Swoop,
Link link link I have heard others who want to avoid the truth say the same thing. I don't have a link. But try this. Go to the edge of your screen and slide it over. Then open a new browser screen. Enter into it what I suggested. Next, yes they did lie to the rest of the wirld as well. In some countries, you can be thrown in jail for questioning the holocaust. If the holocaust was real, those kinds of extreme measures wouldn't be necessary.

As to the soldiers you mentioned, they may not have been lying. Completely. You see, by the time that camps were being liberated, Germany had the hell bombed out of it. Things were pretty grim for the average German citizen. Do you suppose that those in Jewish internment camps would have fared as well? How would the soldiers know if the dead bodies they found died from something like typhus outbreaks or something else. Just because they found the camps in a certain condition doesn't mean that's the way they always were.

In the documentary I mentioned, they have people who were actually IN prison camps TELLING you that things weren't as bad as they were made out to be. They would have no reason to lie. But for those who for various reason want to maintain the lie of the holocaust, they have zillions of reasons to lie.
 
Ray Brady,
What makes you think that ANYBODY was murdered. For example, one of the most infamous "death camps" was Buchenwald. They have a holocaust museum there today. In the documentary, they SHOW you a sign they have in front of the place. One of the things it says on it is, "No Jews were gassed here." The Jews would never allow them to say such a thing unless it was something that could be PROVED. So what does that have to say about all the Jews who were supposedly gassed there. In fact, I haven't seen any proof that Jews were gassed anywhere.

Next, I don't know to what degree the Red Cross were on top of things. But it would be pretty hard for even an idiot to come up with a figure of 271,000 when the actual count was supposedly 6 million. Also, in the documentary they show some newspaper headlines that started around 1913. On two or three occasions, there were things that appeared in newspapers about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. I guess when a lie works, stick with it.
 
Beliz,
I have been banned from about every political and Atheist forum there is. Why? For telling people the truth. I have written many threads at many forums. I have debated many hundreds of people about what I wrote in those threads. Except for one rather flippant thread, nobody has ever sucessfully refuted anything I said in those threads. Why? Because I'm everybody's intellectual superior when it come to the topics I talk about. Some of which dealt with the Jews and what they "deserve." If you want me to bring it up here, why don't you just say, "Why don't you get yourself banned." Believe me, I am an expert on the topic. You don't want to know the truth. Those at this forum almost certainly don't want me to speak it.

You also ask for evidence. Watch the documentary. In the meantime, go to your google browser and enter, "How many Jews were deported under "The Haavara Agreement." About four websites down, you should find a website that asks that very question. It is hosted by "Yahoo, answers." In it, they have what they call, "The Best Answer." Read it. But don't stop there, look up the havarra agreement anyplace you like. Just keep in mind that those who want to continue the holocaust fable will no doubt have their own distortions or lies to tell.
 
Kid Eager,
If you have been following along, you will see websites that I suggested others look up. If you want knowledge, put a hint of effort into it. Did you ever summon up enough effort to watch Schindler's list?
 
Denver,
The person who wrote "the best answer" seemed to be pretty knowledgeable. As for those who say the holocaust was real, they're LIARS! It's as simple as that. You want me to wear a tuxedo as like a restaurant maitre d' carrying a silver platter and walk up to you with the truth sitting on it. Well I don't care if you believe me or not. Because like trying to tell a global warming denier that global warming is real and caused by humans, no amount of proof that you can talk me into scurrying around to dig up is going to be good enough. Look up "Esienhower's Holocaust." See how many websites you can find to refute that.
 
Gordano,
You left out the one about Hitler supposedly having had a sexual relationship with his neice. And eventually having ordered her killed and making it look like a suicide. Is it real or just more groundless slander. Who knows. Nobody said that Hitler was perfect. But he was a hell of a lot better than Stalin. In the eaRLY 30'S, Stalin caused up to 10 million Ukrainians to starve to death. He didn't even need "death camps" to do so. Stalin also caused up to 22,000 Poles to be executed in the Katyn massacre-s. On top of all his other atrocities. But who did we back in WW II.

Gremany was at least a more civilized, technologically advanced and "Western" country than Russia. Also, until war messed things up, Hitler pulled Germany's economy out of the ashes. The economic sucess of National Socialism is probably the main thing that turned the Allied powers against him.
 
Here's the document in question:

http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/auschwitz.jpg

Can anyone read German?
It talks about be-urkundeten Sterbe-falle.
It means something like "certificated deaths."

I would assume that such would require the name of the victim, and the time, place, and circumstances of the death.
Since most witnesses were murdered most Holocaust victims will never have one. They were recorded as being put on a transport and there the paper trail ends.
 
Captain Swoop,
I don't know what the plan you speak of is or the reality of it. But the fact is that after WW II, under the "care" of Esienhower, an estimate 1.5 million Greman ex-soldiers died while in the custody of American forces. For Jews in internment camps, war do doubt caused many deaths from disease and starvation. But after the war, American troops weren't lacking for anything. So what was their excuse.
 
John Jones,
If you are a psychopath or a sociopath, those are two reasons why you might think so. But I have something for you to look at. Try being flippant about it. Go to your browser and enter, "Esienhower's holocaust." If you can do amid your laughter, feel free to look up the matter more at other websites.


This is based on the book "Other Losses". The author consistently misinterpreted the source documents and also failed to realize that deaths on the scale he claimed leave physical evidence, such as remains, clothing, witnesses, etc. none of which exist to back those claims.

The laughter you hear is directed at you and your falling for this.
 

Damn, people have so much trouble with my name. It's "Belz...".

I have been banned from about every political and Atheist forum there is. Why? For telling people the truth.

So you claim, but I would just as soon assume that you just didn't respect the rules.

I have written many threads at many forums. I have debated many hundreds of people about what I wrote in those threads. Except for one rather flippant thread, nobody has ever sucessfully refuted anything I said in those threads. Why? Because I'm everybody's intellectual superior when it come to the topics I talk about.

Hubris much ? If you want to engage people in conversation, it's a terrible idea to tell them right off the bat that, compared to you, they are idiots. In fact, I now have a good idea of why you were banned from other forums.

Instead, why don't you let your _evidence_ be superior ? Stop asking people to google specific phrases, and instead present your evidence. Be warned, however: we've been debating this topic for _years_ here, and the odds of you presenting something we haven't seen before are very, very low.

Believe me, I am an expert on the topic.

I don't believe you.

You don't want to know the truth. Those at this forum almost certainly don't want me to speak it.

You barely got here, presented no evidence, and then proceed to declare that your 'opponents' don't want to hear said evidence ? Does that sounds like an honest way to approach a debate ?

You also ask for evidence. Watch the documentary.

Documentaries aren't very convincing, because it's easy to weave the tale to fit one's agenda. You're basically saying that the Nazis' own documents, the testimonies of camp inmates, both Jewish or other, and an overwhelming amount of other evidence, is ALL lies. At this point it is YOUR burden to show that this is true.
 
Gordano,
You left out the one about Hitler supposedly having had a sexual relationship with his neice. And eventually having ordered her killed and making it look like a suicide. Is it real or just more groundless slander. Who knows. Nobody said that Hitler was perfect. But he was a hell of a lot better than Stalin. In the eaRLY 30'S, Stalin caused up to 10 million Ukrainians to starve to death. He didn't even need "death camps" to do so. Stalin also caused up to 22,000 Poles to be executed in the Katyn massacre-s. On top of all his other atrocities. But who did we back in WW II.

Gremany was at least a more civilized, technologically advanced and "Western" country than Russia. Also, until war messed things up, Hitler pulled Germany's economy out of the ashes. The economic sucess of National Socialism is probably the main thing that turned the Allied powers against him.

"Better than Stalin". Now that's what I call a low bar. And it's not even true.
 
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