BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
Just observing the standard rules of evidence.
Sorry that beliefs, feelings and guesses don't constitute evidence.
Moderated JFK conspiracy theories: it never ends III
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Just observing the standard rules of evidence.
Sorry that beliefs, feelings and guesses don't constitute evidence.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
You mean the article where a third party states his belief for why Mrs. Kennedy acted as she did, and gives no evidence for how he knows that?
HSienzant
Philosopher
Hate to be a party poop, but where can I go to apply for the job I'm now doing for free?
All we're asking for is your evidence. I knew going in you didn't have any, so I knew all along it would end up this way. With you pretending we're being unreasonable for asking you to prove your assertions.
Hank
Jango
Graduate Poster
IMO. Do you know what that means? Do people where you come from not use that online? Or do you just say stuff and expect people to know the difference between your statement either being an opinion or as a matter of fact?
Jango
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JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Yeah, like you have proof any of us are paid shills. What a desperate ploy.
Hans
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Still trying to change the subject away from your failure to provide evidence of your claim?
How well is that working for you?
Yes I do the smart one have no difficulty with it.
Is there an adult there who could assist you with this?
HSienzant
Philosopher
You provided two quotes that didn't prove anything about Jackie's motivation for going on the trunk.
The film doesn't provide a reason either.
As I noted earlier, she is looking directly at the massive hole in the top of the President's head immediately before she bolts. Where is she looking at any ejecta prior to starting to climb onto the trunk?
Can you point out that ejecta?
It appears from her you can establish neither half of your argument - you can't show Jackie's motivation, and you can't show any ejecta on the trunk.
Other than that, you're doing great.
Hank
Jango
Graduate Poster
Your posting history is enough.
BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
Thank the fsm that in the legal system your interpretation of what constitutes "proof" is rejected by statute and precedence.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
That says volumes about your standards of proof.
Jango
Graduate Poster
You use the same criteria for determining who is a truther.
Jango
Graduate Poster
[HansArgumentMode]Have you ever shot anything in the head?[/HansArgumentMode]
HSienzant
Philosopher
A skull fragment was found in what location?
Two skull fragments were found - one in Dealey Plaza to the left and forward of the limo at the time of the head shot; and the other was found on the floor of the limo.
Where's the supposed Hill fragment?
Nothing like it is seen on the back of the limo.
Here's Hill's original statement: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/sa-hill.htm
"I jumped onto the left rear step of the Presidential automobile. Mrs. Kennedy shouted, "They've shot his head off;" then turned and raised out of her seat as if she were reaching to her right rear toward the back of the car for something that had blown out. I forced her back into her seat and placed my body above President and Mrs. Kennedy."
Here's his testimony to the Warren Commission:
"Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there."
Note that Hill never says he saw anything that Jackie was reaching for. He says in both statements her actions merely gave the appearance of her reaching for something.
My honest appraisal? He was Mrs. Kennedy's personal bodyguard - with her on many occasions. He thought very highly of her. I think he simply tried to sugarcoat it and didn't want to say anything that could embarrass her.
That's simply my opinion.
Hank
RoboTimbo
Hostile Nanobacon
Calm down. What never happened?
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Continued evasion noted. You claimed Kennedy was shot from the front. Do you intent to prove that?
BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
It's a valid question wrt this aspect of the discussion, as you seem to believe reality is dictated by Hollywood Terminal Ballistics 101.
HSienzant
Philosopher
No, please don't create strawmen to knock down.
Unless she specifically said that, your claim that was her reason for going onto the trunk is unproven.
Understand?
Hank
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Whether I personally have shot someone or something in the head is a question probably intended to be inflammatory, and only tangentially relevant in the debate.
A better question would be what knowledge I have of what happens in a head shot and how I know that. And if Jango would read the thread he would have that answer. Between my responses to Robert Prey and those to bobtaftfan, there are a substantial number of posts to answer Jango's interest. He seems to take interest in my post count when it suits his purposes, but doesn't seem motivated to read the posts.
An even better question would be what knowledge exists in the corporate wisdom of mankind, of what happens in a head shot, and how it was determined. Jango wants this to be a personal battle. He doesn't seem to want to consider whether the "ejecta" argument has any traction in science as a whole.
HSienzant
Philosopher
The "video" (it's actually a film) shows neither the reason Mrs. Kennedy went on the trunk nor any ejecta on the trunk.
What Mrs. Kennedy said did not answer the question of why she went on the trunk, as she did not remember going there.
What SS Agent Clint Hill said was her actions gave him the impression was she was going after something. He never said he himself saw anything.
None of this supports your original assertion I took issue with.
What else you got?
Hank
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