Moderated JFK conspiracy theories: it never ends III

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JayUtah said:
Yes, Jango, you seem to be proposing a shot-from-the-front conspiracy theory, but you're doing a very bad job of laying it out coherently. Please give us your analysis of Rather's comments. Or failing that, get to some point.
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All (or any) of that would so go against the grain of the approved CT methodology, which is to keep the conspiracy so uselessly vague that it's essentially mythology, and its "points" only theology, with that special deity-like quality of being impossible to pin down to any one thing that would prove (or disprove) that quality. It also keeps the goal posts on wheels; as soon as you explain patiently why the shots couldn't have come from behind the board fence on the knoll (aside from anything else, anyone who's been to Dealey Plaza would know immediately why), your CTist will be off and smirking, "well, I never said they came from there, did I?" And still without specifying where he thinks they came from, which keeps the game going (which, as you've said yourself, is their only real goal in the whole exercise).
 
turingtest said:
All (or any) of that would so go against the grain of the approved CT methodology, which is to keep the conspiracy so uselessly vague that it's essentially mythology, and its "points" only theology, with that special deity-like quality of being impossible to pin down to any one thing that would prove (or disprove) that quality. It also keeps the goal posts on wheels; as soon as you explain patiently why the shots couldn't have come from behind the board fence on the knoll (aside from anything else, anyone who's been to Dealey Plaza would know immediately why), your CTist will be off and smirking, "well, I never said they came from there, did I?" And still without specifying where he thinks they came from, which keeps the game going (which, as you've said yourself, is their only real goal in the whole exercise).
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By all means then, please patiently explain why no shots could have possibly come from that area.
 
carlitos said:
Jango, have you ever been to the book depository in Dallas? There are 12 year olds that could have made those shots. There really wasn't anything to it, other than being a psychopath.
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Jango, the above is a question. The honest thing for you to do would be answer it with a yes or no. Whether you have been there or not is actually relevant to the discussion, given your recents hints as to a theory.
 
turingtest said:
All (or any) of that would so go against the grain of the approved CT methodology...
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Agreed, but I have to ask. I've dealt with dozens upon dozens of conspiracy theorists, and only a small handful of them will say, "Now here's what I think happened..." Most instead adopt the useless and self-indulgent position of, "How can you possibly defend the conventional narrative in light of these anomalies?"

Despite the decades of study and discussion of the ballistics of the Kennedy assassination, somehow I have to revisit all of that because of some reporter's uninformed knee-jerk assessment. It's not the first time nor the first conspiracy theory that has tried to spin the fog-of-war early reports as somehow more intrinsically reliable than conclusions drawn after careful collection of data, diligent study, and thorough discussion.
 
carlitos said:
Jango, the above is a question. The honest thing for you to do would be answer it with a yes or no. Whether you have been there or not is actually relevant to the discussion, given your recents hints as to a theory.
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I second the request for a direct answer to this question. Jango, have you ever been to Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas? Have you personally been to the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building?

This is generally considered an important question as the conspiracy theories in this genre seem to presuppose the reader has not been there and requires the author to reconcile both the conspiracy theory and the conventional narrative with the setting and circumstances.
 
turingtest said:
...as soon as you explain patiently why...
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Typical. He ignores every single question put to him and latches onto your hypothetical as if it advertises accepting a burden of proof to refute a proposition no one has even made. Exactly on par with your prediction. The latest offering spins the hamster wheel uselessly while staking out absolutely no position of any kind. This is why real historians scoff at Jango's approach.
 
Jango said:
By all means then, please patiently explain why no shots could have possibly come from that area.
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Jesus Christ. The whole point of my post was to say how pointless it would be to answer that question in the face of a non-specified claim, and here you go asking the question without making a specified claim. Do you guys take lessons in missing points, or is it just a natural pre-requisite?

Two questions for you- 1) Do you think shots came from that specific area?
2) Have you ever been to Dealey Plaza?
 
turingtest said:
Jesus Christ. The whole point of my post was to say how pointless it would be to answer that question in the face of a non-specified claim, and here you go asking the question without making a specified claim. Do you guys take lessons in missing points, or is it just a natural pre-requisite?

Two questions for you- 1) Do you think shots came from that specific area?
2) Have you ever been to Dealey Plaza?
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The above is not a patient explanation as to why no shots could have possibly come from anywhere other than where Oswald was located. Do you want to try again?
 
Jango said:
The above is not a patient explanation as to why no shots could have possibly come from anywhere other than where Oswald was located. Do you want to try again?
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Wow. Just frickin' wow. Can you not even see yourself, in the highlighted, how you just moved the goal posts exactly as I said you would? How is that the same as my original hypothetical? Use the little scroll bar thingy over there on the side of your screen if you need to to refresh your usefully short memory...
 
turingtest said:
Wow. Just frickin' wow. Can you not even see yourself, in the highlighted, how you just moved the goal posts exactly as I said you would? How is that the same as my original hypothetical? Use the little scroll bar thingy over there on the side of your screen if you need to to refresh your usefully short memory...
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Still no explanation.
 
JayUtah said:
Typical. He ignores every single question put to him and latches onto your hypothetical as if it advertises accepting a burden of proof to refute a proposition no one has even made. Exactly on par with your prediction. The latest offering spins the hamster wheel uselessly while staking out absolutely no position of any kind. This is why real historians scoff at Jango's approach.
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Somebody has a sig on here which quotes you. If I may paraphrase...

The goal is not to reach any resolution, but to propogate the argument.
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Jango said:
Still no explanation.
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Why you have shown no expertise in this area how would you evaluate that which you don't understand?

Or is this your purpose

"The goal is not to reach any resolution, but to propogate the argument"

lol
 
Jango said:
The above is not a patient explanation as to why no shots could have possibly come from anywhere other than where Oswald was located. Do you want to try again?
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Yet that puts you in the position of claiming that shots came from elsewhere. It's your damn claim. I assume you have evidence. But I suspect you have no evidence at all. Prove me wrong.
 
abaddon said:
Yet that puts you in the position of claiming that shots came from elsewhere. It's your damn claim. I assume you have evidence. But I suspect you have no evidence at all. Prove me wrong.
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It might be that his point is that even if no rounds came from that direction it has not been PROVEN that bullets could NOT have been fired from there even if there is no evidence that there were.

Is that your point Jango or is it something else?

I would point out that a bullet fired from space has not yet been proven to have been impossible too.
 
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