What was the worst genocide?

Rum said:
I'm not sure such horrors deserve actual ranking, but if you want to go by numbers, the mass murder of the Jews by the Nazis is still up at the top in that respect.

Mass murder by numbers here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll
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If that list was in order then second on the list would be Holodomor. Between 2.4 and 7.5 million people starved to death in about a year. Hitler took several years to kill maybe double the number of people.
 
Why isn't anyone mentioning the Armenian Genocide? This is made worse by the fact that while Turkey refuses to still acknowledge it happened, even Israel refused to acknowledge it for reasons "vital to the Jewish nation".
 
The Germans also committed a pretty horrific genocide in Africa.
 
There were plenty of genocides in the ancient world. Old Testament is full of them, for instance. But the worst ancient genocides we may not even know about because they were too successful and nobody was left to tell the tale.
 
Rum said:
I'm not sure such horrors deserve actual ranking, but if you want to go by numbers, the mass murder of the Jews by the Nazis is still up at the top in that respect.

Mass murder by numbers here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll
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Congo , holodomor, holocaust are in the same ballpark range with congo/holocaust being quasi identical in range (3 to 10 million versus 5 to 11).

Holocaust is definitively the more widely known of the group, but i would hold it is on par with congo , just because of the other atrocity there , like massively cutting hands, or killing whole village (crucifixing the women/children?) just for a bit more rubber.
 
I'm surprised to see the lack of votes for America The Beautiful. (But let's be just and not forget Canada the Fairly Attractive and the rest of the western hemisphere.)

The attrition was slower / more gradual, but the effect is rather overwhelming. Native population in the USA has not achieved 1% of the population. That's down considerably from the 1491 Census when it was at 100%. And even being more gradual, the individual acts were just as brutal, and while we didn't coin the phrase "concentration camps" the early reserves/reservations were really nothing short of unguarded concentration camps. Natives caught off reservation could be shot, legally, in most jurisdictions. The de facto segregation and oppression of Native Americans was just as bad as the Jim Crow era was to blacks.... and it lasted as long, in some cases longer.
 
applecorped said:
The Palastinians. The slowest genocide evah.
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Bear in mind that as bad as isreal treats the palastinians if it was in reverse and the Palestinian people had the upper hand I assure you the Jews would suffer in that part of the world the"fastest genocide evah".

Someone above mentioned the Armenian genocide. I have a good few books on the ottoman army in ww1 and I agree,it should be better known than it is.
 
What makes it even worse is that another community that was subjected to it refused to acknowledge it. Having said that, India quite recently attempted something similar in the State of Gujarat, under the able patronship of our current Prime Minister, who was chief minister of the state at the time.
 
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^^ The Winnah.

I used to tell people that in the Bible, God is resposible for all the bloodshed. Satan seems to appear only once, tempting Jesus in the wilderness and if one wishes to stretch the narrative, earlier, when offering Eve a fruit. In the latter case, maybe he felt she seemed undernourished and needed some vitamins.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
I'm surprised to see the lack of votes for America The Beautiful. (But let's be just and not forget Canada the Fairly Attractive and the rest of the western hemisphere.)

The attrition was slower / more gradual, but the effect is rather overwhelming. Native population in the USA has not achieved 1% of the population. That's down considerably from the 1491 Census when it was at 100%. And even being more gradual, the individual acts were just as brutal, and while we didn't coin the phrase "concentration camps" the early reserves/reservations were really nothing short of unguarded concentration camps. Natives caught off reservation could be shot, legally, in most jurisdictions. The de facto segregation and oppression of Native Americans was just as bad as the Jim Crow era was to blacks.... and it lasted as long, in some cases longer.
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^^

My thoughts exactly.
 
rjh01 said:
If that list was in order then second on the list would be Holodomor. Between 2.4 and 7.5 million people starved to death in about a year. Hitler took several years to kill maybe double the number of people.
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And when you consider what exactly happens to the human body when it dies of starvation, that is probably the most horrific way to die. The thing is, starvation is not a "spectacular" death. It's not violent, sensational, or inventive. It's a very passive way to kill someone. If you want to kill someone very slowly in a way that will cause maximum suffering, forget all the medieval torture and all that, you simply lock them up or restrain them in some way and literally do nothing (other than provide water to keep them from dying too quickly of dehydration).
 
Foolmewunz said:
I'm surprised to see the lack of votes for America The Beautiful. (But let's be just and not forget Canada the Fairly Attractive and the rest of the western hemisphere.)

The attrition was slower / more gradual, but the effect is rather overwhelming. Native population in the USA has not achieved 1% of the population. That's down considerably from the 1491 Census when it was at 100%. And even being more gradual, the individual acts were just as brutal, and while we didn't coin the phrase "concentration camps" the early reserves/reservations were really nothing short of unguarded concentration camps. Natives caught off reservation could be shot, legally, in most jurisdictions. The de facto segregation and oppression of Native Americans was just as bad as the Jim Crow era was to blacks.... and it lasted as long, in some cases longer.
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Well America the Beautiful didn't manage it all on its own. The Spanish, English, French, and Dutch did most of the work for 300 years. America then just had to finish up the leftovers.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I'm surprised to see the lack of votes for America The Beautiful. (But let's be just and not forget Canada the Fairly Attractive and the rest of the western hemisphere.)

The attrition was slower / more gradual, but the effect is rather overwhelming. Native population in the USA has not achieved 1% of the population. That's down considerably from the 1491 Census when it was at 100%. And even being more gradual, the individual acts were just as brutal, and while we didn't coin the phrase "concentration camps" the early reserves/reservations were really nothing short of unguarded concentration camps. Natives caught off reservation could be shot, legally, in most jurisdictions. The de facto segregation and oppression of Native Americans was just as bad as the Jim Crow era was to blacks.... and it lasted as long, in some cases longer.
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IIRC My understanding is that it was illness shortly after or before, pest among other , and that is why settlers had an easy go : nobody was bloody there to stop them. Estimate I read was 70 to 100 million people at some point and then massive die off due to an epidemic a hundred or two hundred year before the settling. So by the time settlers came, there was no resistance and not many native left.

Is my memory misleading me ?
 
skeptichaggis said:
Bear in mind that as bad as isreal treats the palastinians if it was in reverse and the Palestinian people had the upper hand I assure you the Jews would suffer in that part of the world the"fastest genocide evah".
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I don't think the Zionists are practicing genocide on the Palestinians, but mere imperialist exploitation and dispossession. Prior to this situation, the Palestinians displayed no great inclination to commit genocide against Jews.

Please recall that Zionism is a response not to Palestinian oppression of Jews, but to European oppression of Jews. The Palestinians suffer for this not because they are guilty, but because they are weak.

In the same way, the Canandian native peoples experienced the loss of many of their lands because Highland landlords in Scotland expelled local populations, and many of these people went, or were sent, across the Atlantic, to settle the land they found there.
 
Travis said:
Yes but the Khmer Rouge murdered 20% of their entire country. They put to death 1 out of every five people in their entire nation. Does any genocide compare in terms of such a large part of the population being killed?
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50% of Armenians were killed by the Ottoman Empire in the Armenian Genocide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Turkey still refuses to admit that there ever was a genocide.
 
Susheel said:
^^ The Winnah.

I used to tell people that in the Bible, God is resposible for all the bloodshed. Satan seems to appear only once, tempting Jesus in the wilderness and if one wishes to stretch the narrative, earlier, when offering Eve a fruit. In the latter case, maybe he felt she seemed undernourished and needed some vitamins.
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You're forgetting the book of Job.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job
 
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