Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

There appears to be some learning impairment in your thinking. And you're hopping around like a bunny rabbit.

There was a great deal of blood - probably in excess of two litres - in Meredith's room BUT NOT IN THE HALLWAY, WHICH YOU STATED!

You cannot claim dilute blood as evidence of cleaning, for one very good reason - the luminol prints were not made in dilute blood.

Amanda's stressed outburst in the questura was unfortunate but understandable, but you will see that your citation of it as evidence of a "gloating brag" that there was no evidence of her in Kercher's room, is absolutely ridiculous and absurd. It's not on topic. This is way before there was any question of there being a possibility of finding evidence of her in the room.

"Unfortunate, but understandable?".

Let me get this right. Amanda was elsewhere when Mez' door was kicked down.

How would Amanda know Mez had her [insert foulmouthed word] throat cut?

Please don't say that suddenly she spoke fluent Italian and heard the cop say it.

It was a vulgar brag and foreknowledge of the crime.

Most burglars or others, acting in self-defence will simply make a thrust to the chest, so it is not even rational to consider it.

 

[Dan O.]

Raff "gave his girl a hickey". Was that before or after buying the "wild sex" lingerie?

You really don't know any of the material except the lies pushed on the guilter sites.

 

[Vixen]

Which they did. When they showed Sefanoni the film her own police-people took of her handling exhibit 165 (the bra-clasp) the courtroom laughed at Stefanoni's incompetence.

When Stefanoni was shown by Bongiorno the way she (Stefanoni) handled the evidence......

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Stefanoni could neither confirm nor deny that she had handled the hasps of the bra-clasp (with obviously dirty gloves), and it was on those hasps on which 165B was presumably found.

It is true, Stefanoni did not decide the verdict. The Supreme Court in 2015 did. They ruled, in effect, that Stefanoni's work was worthless.

Anyone can mock. The defense are paid to ridicule the evidence.

 

[Dan O.]

Very reluctantly, and only because she couldn't deny it.

GM: Okay. Okay. Listen, another question. The lamp that was found in Meredith's room, a black lamp with a red button, that was found in Meredith's room, at the foot of the bed. Was it yours?

AK: I did have a lamp with a red button in my room, yes.

GM: So the lamp was yours.

AK: I suppose it was.

GM: Was it missing from your room?

AK: You know, I didn't look.

GM: Did Meredith have a lamp like that in her room?

AK: I don't know.
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So we see again Vixen is making crap up or repeating discredited crap from the guilter site. This isn't looking good for Vixen's credibility. In the end she will probably be glad she is posting anonymously and this episode won't follow her. (or will it?)

 

[Vixen]

Mathew has over 850 posts in this thread and its continuations. Perhaps you need to do some more reading. (starting with the MA)

OK, fair enough. However, how is it OK for Mathew to attack others as, "your type"?

 

[Vixen]

You really don't know any of the material except the lies pushed on the guilter sites.

It was a joke. I should have added a smiley.

 

[Kaosium]

"Unfortunate, but understandable?".

She was dealing with dingbats and her patience must have been exhausted.

Let me get this right. Amanda was elsewhere when Mez' door was kicked down.

All of about five yards away.

How would Amanda know Mez had her [insert foulmouthed word] throat cut?

Meredith's throat wasn't cut, it was stabbed into. Amanda may have gotten that idea because Luca drew a line over his throat in the car when talking about what he'd heard, like he testified to in court.

Please don't say that suddenly she spoke fluent Italian and heard the cop say it.

She heard many people talk about it, some of whom spoke English and some Italian that she interpreted wrong like Meredith being in the closet.

It was a vulgar brag and foreknowledge of the crime.

No it wasn't, she had it wrong.

Most burglars or others, acting in self-defence will simply make a thrust to the chest, so it is not even rational to consider it.

Rudy missed the chest and hit the throat.

 

[Vixen]

GM: Okay. Okay. Listen, another question. The lamp that was found in Meredith's room, a black lamp with a red button, that was found in Meredith's room, at the foot of the bed. Was it yours?

AK: I did have a lamp with a red button in my room, yes.

GM: So the lamp was yours.

AK: I suppose it was.

GM: Was it missing from your room?

AK: You know, I didn't look.

GM: Did Meredith have a lamp like that in her room?

AK: I don't know.
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So we see again Vixen is making crap up or repeating discredited crap from the guilter site. This isn't looking good for Vixen's credibility. In the end she will probably be glad she is posting anonymously and this episode won't follow her. (or will it?)

Why did she say she "didn't know", when she failed to report it missing, her room must have been dark and she would have seen it through the keyhole.

 

[Matthew Best]

OK, fair enough. However, how is it OK for Mathew to attack others as, "your type"?

I haven't attacked you, I've just described you.

If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause, as George Clinton used to say.

 

[Bill Williams]

Anyone can mock. The defense are paid to ridicule the evidence.

Stefanoni could neither confirm nor deny that she had handled the hasps of the bra-clasp (with obviously dirty gloves), and it was on those hasps on which 165B was presumably found.

How is this someone else mocking Stefanoni?

 

[Vixen]

She was dealing with dingbats and her patience must have been exhausted.



All of about five yards away.




Meredith's throat wasn't cut, it was stabbed into. Amanda may have gotten that idea because Luca drew a line over his throat in the car when talking about what he saw, like he testified to in court.



She heard many people talk about it, some of whom spoke English and some Italian that she interpreted wrong like Meredith being in the closet.



No it wasn't, she had it wrong.



Rudy missed the chest and hit the throat.

Mez' grief stricken friends at the police station were "dingbats"? That is sick.

Funny how everything is explained by (a) Amanda didn't speak Italian (b) Raf translated her English wrongly (c) she overheard the cop, Filomena or Luca.

To explain her sudden fluent Italian, it's because Luca was miming a cut throat in the car. Even though only Inspt Battistelli saw the body beneath the quilt (supposedly, as Battistelli denies it).

Amanda and Raf have more "explanations" than the Encyclopedia of Astrophysics.

It is common for people to confuse cut throat with stabbed throat.

Rudy "missed the chest"? IMV it was always going to be the throat, as premeditated.

 

[Vixen]

I haven't attacked you, I've just described you.

If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause, as George Clinton used to say.

OK.

 

[Dan O.]

It's my experience a good cop's hunch is often a good one. Many perps have been brought to justice based on such "hallelujah" moments. It's just a sniff that something's not quite right. The super shiny knife in the drawer, proved such a moment.

What super shiny knife? That knife was filthy. It had not been properly cleaned for some time. I pointed this out when the first images of that knife surfaces on the Internet. I commented in this very thread prior to the Hellmann verdict that there was visible food debris at the junction where the blade meets the handle which is where there would be the greatest concern for blood to remain on the knife simply because it is the hardest spot to clean. Several months later, subsequent testing revealed the presence of starch particles at that location on the knife and no blood. This was not the murder weapon. It was just a kitchen knife.

 

[Kaosium]

Mez' grief stricken friends at the police station were "dingbats"? That is sick.

It's also true, have you seen what they told the tabloids and testified to in court? Not Albion's finest I'm afraid.

Funny how everything is explained by (a) Amanda didn't speak Italian (b) Raf translated her English wrongly (c) she overheard the cop, Filomena or Luca.

Yes, that's reality, it's not always funny though,

To explain her sudden fluent Italian, it's because Luca waz miming a cur throat in the car. Even though only Inspt Battistelli saw the body beneath the quilt (supposedly, as Battistelli denies it).

Battistelli is a liar, even Massei doubted his 'memory' about this. He saw a foot and blood, what kind of idiot wouldn't see if the foot was attached to a person who needed assistance? How could he know there was a murder unless he looked underneath the duvet?

Amanda and Raf have more "explanations" than the Encyclopedia of Astrophysics.

That's because the prosecution didn't have any real evidence of their bizarre conspiracy and threw every piece of nonsense they could at them, requiring explanations. When the prosecution pretends that someone who was at the discovery of a murder has 'foreknowledge' when others were talking about it at the scene and what they said didn't show foreknowledge, a rational being looks askance at the prosecution, not the defense for providing a realistic and evidence-backed explanation.

It is common for people to confuse cut throat with stabbed throat.

How would you know?

 

[Dan O.]

It was a joke. I should have added a smiley.

I don't know if you can add a smiley to a user name but you should check with an admin.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

now I get it

The defense are paid to ridicule the evidence.

As I noted with griffinmill, I think we have finally made a breakthrough.

 

[Dan O.]

"Unfortunate, but understandable?".

Let me get this right. Amanda was elsewhere when Mez' door was kicked down.

How would Amanda know Mez had her [insert foulmouthed word] throat cut?
Please don't say that suddenly she spoke fluent Italian and heard the cop say it.

It was a vulgar brag and foreknowledge of the crime.

Most burglars or others, acting in self-defence will simply make a thrust to the chest, so it is not even rational to consider it.

You are striking out on everything. You should take up bowling.

AK: Yes, it was really really cold. First, Raffaele gave me his jacket, but then the others saw that I was cold, really in shock, so they said come, come, let's get in the car and get warm. And inside that car, we talked more about... we kept on saying "But what did you see? Who was there?" So in the car, heh, still using Raffaele a bit like an interpreter, they explained to me that they heard from someone, from someone else, from one of the officers who were talking, that she...

LG: Meredith

AK: ...that Meredith had had her throat slit, and at that point I became a bit...uh ...I closed myself off a bit inside...I cried a bit because I kept thinking but...how is it possible? No..., it was too much, so, and then, we went to the Questura.​

 

[Kauffer]

Why did she say she "didn't know", when she failed to report it missing, her room must have been dark and she would have seen it through the keyhole.

What? If the CSIs took the lamp into Kercher's room on the afternoon of the 2nd, which is the most probable explanation, then it was never actually missing from Amanda's room the last time she was in there. If Kercher had borrowed it, then it really cannot be suspicious that she failed to notice it when she was briefly in her room on the morning of the 2nd, when she would have had no possible reason to want to turn it on and thus notice it's absence.

Why should she have noticed it in Kercher's room through the keyhole? Apart from anything else, it is very unlikely to have been in the room, as I have discussed.

You haven't explained what you think the lamp can possibly prove.

 

[Mr Fied]

Having just scrolled through the last couple of days posts, which have been quite amusing. Could I get in line to ask Vixen a question?

Do you know of any evidence that proves Amanda and Raff were at the cottage at the time of the murder?If so, would you be kind enough to share it. Previous posters such as Mach and platanov often claimed there was such evidence but never produced it. You would think that if these people were so convinced of the guilt of Amanda and Raff they would have shared all this secret evidence with the prosecution so that it could have been presented in court.

Please see my response re footprints and mixed DNA.

I have seen your response thanks. Just one question. Do you have any evidence that proves Amanda and Raff were at the cottage at the time of the murder?

 

[Dan O.]

Why did she say she "didn't know", when she failed to report it missing, her room must have been dark and she would have seen it through the keyhole.

You really don't know anything about this case. Amanda had been spending the nights at Raffaele's place for the last week. In the mornings, the light streams through the double patio doors and into her room.

Have you ever looked through a keyhole? The angle of view is limited.

ETA, Besides, it's not like Amanda was attached to this lamp. It wasn't even hers, it came with the room.