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Do you believe every prosecution claim Vixen? There is NO SUCH PRINT.
Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
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Do you believe every prosecution claim Vixen? There is NO SUCH PRINT.
RWVBWL
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What neck scratch?
Are you telling me this is a neck scratch on Amanda Knox?
That's a hickey, I gave a similar 1 to my gal Melissa the other day!
You do know this image is from right after Meredith
was discovered murdered and raped, right?
Funny how the cops never noticed it,
until Laura brought it up in Court much, much later...
And it's very strange that this scratch, as you call it, did not collect any of Amanda's DNA from under Meredith's fingernails, which were clipped off, bagged+tagged+tested after her murder.
I hope that you don't suggest that AK cleaned her DNA from underneath Meredith's fingernails!
For if you do, I'll betcha that you'll also think they cleaned their DNA from inside Meredith's vagina, leaving only evidence of Rudy Guede, because what was it you wrote: We know both Raf and Amanda had strong rape and stalker fantasies.Pffft!
My opinions only,
RW
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Vixen
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Hi guys!
From Hellmann:
nally, the Corte di Assise confronts the difficulty of explaining such cruel conduct in the absence of a plausible motive, and, ruling out premeditation, finds that what happened was on the one hand the product of a set of random circumstances, and on the other hand of a choice of extreme experimentation, a choice of evil for the sake of evil. As the Corte di Assise would have it, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, happening to find themselves with a free evening (Amanda Knox no longer had to go to work, and Raffaele Sollecito no longer had to accompany a friend to the bus station), went to Amanda Knox’s house, where, perhaps after having made use of mind-altering substances, they proceeded to make love in her room. But Rudy Guede was also present in the same apartment (either because he went there together with the other two, or because he was let in later), and he, after having been in the bathroom (and having left his own feces in the toilet without flushing), found himself in an environment full of erotic temptations [sollecitazioni]: Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in her room making love, and a girl alone in her own room, Meredith Kercher, who thus became a predestined object of desire. Rejected by her, Rudy Guede, instead of running away, persevered in the attempt to achieve his intentions…but at this point, evidently alerted by the commotion, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox rushed into Meredith Kercher’s room and, instead of defending her, took the side of Rudy Guede, in order to experience this new emotion: eros and violence, to which — according to the Court — they were already inclined, particularly Raffaele, as revealed by his reading of books and viewing of films of this sort, as well as the use of mind-altering substances. The injuries and the homicide were neither planned nor intended as a direct purpose of their actions, but accepted, at any rate, as a predictable outcome [evoluzione] of the latter.
Whence the culpability of both defendants with respect to all the crimes attributed to them (murder, staging of a crime, unlawful carrying of a knife [porto abusivo di coltello], theft of phones).
Concerning the crime of calumny against Patrick Lumumba, the Court observes that, since obviously Amanda Knox knew very well how things had happened, she was clearly aware of [Lumumba’s] total innocence, and nor was there evidence to substantiate her claim that she accused Patrick Lumumba because she was somehow convinced that this was what the Police wanted from her: to give the name of a guilty party, by whatever means.
In determining the sentence, the Court held the crime of sexual violence to be absorbed into the more serious crime of murder as a special aggravating circumstance, while it rejected the aggravating circumstance of disabling the victim’s defenses [la minorata difesa] on the consideration that Meredith Kercher, when she was attacked, was in her own room, awake, and still dressed, in conditions of full consciousness and complete reactive capacity; and it also rejected the aggravating circumstance of futile reasons, due to its being alleged in an entirely general manner.
Both defendants were granted mitigating circumstances due to being extremely young, without criminal records or pending charges, and with a lifestyle [condotta di vita] that, apart from the personal use of mind-altering substances, was deserving of appreciation (involved in studies, work, helpful toward others), and finally far from their repsective families, from the proximity and control that they still needed.
The mitigating circumstances were held to be equivalent to the special aggravating circumstance alleged.
From Hellmann:
nally, the Corte di Assise confronts the difficulty of explaining such cruel conduct in the absence of a plausible motive, and, ruling out premeditation, finds that what happened was on the one hand the product of a set of random circumstances, and on the other hand of a choice of extreme experimentation, a choice of evil for the sake of evil. As the Corte di Assise would have it, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, happening to find themselves with a free evening (Amanda Knox no longer had to go to work, and Raffaele Sollecito no longer had to accompany a friend to the bus station), went to Amanda Knox’s house, where, perhaps after having made use of mind-altering substances, they proceeded to make love in her room. But Rudy Guede was also present in the same apartment (either because he went there together with the other two, or because he was let in later), and he, after having been in the bathroom (and having left his own feces in the toilet without flushing), found himself in an environment full of erotic temptations [sollecitazioni]: Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in her room making love, and a girl alone in her own room, Meredith Kercher, who thus became a predestined object of desire. Rejected by her, Rudy Guede, instead of running away, persevered in the attempt to achieve his intentions…but at this point, evidently alerted by the commotion, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox rushed into Meredith Kercher’s room and, instead of defending her, took the side of Rudy Guede, in order to experience this new emotion: eros and violence, to which — according to the Court — they were already inclined, particularly Raffaele, as revealed by his reading of books and viewing of films of this sort, as well as the use of mind-altering substances. The injuries and the homicide were neither planned nor intended as a direct purpose of their actions, but accepted, at any rate, as a predictable outcome [evoluzione] of the latter.
Whence the culpability of both defendants with respect to all the crimes attributed to them (murder, staging of a crime, unlawful carrying of a knife [porto abusivo di coltello], theft of phones).
Concerning the crime of calumny against Patrick Lumumba, the Court observes that, since obviously Amanda Knox knew very well how things had happened, she was clearly aware of [Lumumba’s] total innocence, and nor was there evidence to substantiate her claim that she accused Patrick Lumumba because she was somehow convinced that this was what the Police wanted from her: to give the name of a guilty party, by whatever means.
In determining the sentence, the Court held the crime of sexual violence to be absorbed into the more serious crime of murder as a special aggravating circumstance, while it rejected the aggravating circumstance of disabling the victim’s defenses [la minorata difesa] on the consideration that Meredith Kercher, when she was attacked, was in her own room, awake, and still dressed, in conditions of full consciousness and complete reactive capacity; and it also rejected the aggravating circumstance of futile reasons, due to its being alleged in an entirely general manner.
Both defendants were granted mitigating circumstances due to being extremely young, without criminal records or pending charges, and with a lifestyle [condotta di vita] that, apart from the personal use of mind-altering substances, was deserving of appreciation (involved in studies, work, helpful toward others), and finally far from their repsective families, from the proximity and control that they still needed.
The mitigating circumstances were held to be equivalent to the special aggravating circumstance alleged.
Vixen
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Hi guys!
From Hellmann:
nally, the Corte di Assise confronts the difficulty of explaining such cruel conduct in the absence of a plausible motive, and, ruling out premeditation, finds that what happened was on the one hand the product of a set of random circumstances, and on the other hand of a choice of extreme experimentation, a choice of evil for the sake of evil. As the Corte di Assise would have it, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, happening to find themselves with a free evening (Amanda Knox no longer had to go to work, and Raffaele Sollecito no longer had to accompany a friend to the bus station), went to Amanda Knox’s house, where, perhaps after having made use of mind-altering substances, they proceeded to make love in her room. But Rudy Guede was also present in the same apartment (either because he went there together with the other two, or because he was let in later), and he, after having been in the bathroom (and having left his own feces in the toilet without flushing), found himself in an environment full of erotic temptations [sollecitazioni]: Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in her room making love, and a girl alone in her own room, Meredith Kercher, who thus became a predestined object of desire. Rejected by her, Rudy Guede, instead of running away, persevered in the attempt to achieve his intentions…but at this point, evidently alerted by the commotion, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox rushed into Meredith Kercher’s room and, instead of defending her, took the side of Rudy Guede, in order to experience this new emotion: eros and violence, to which — according to the Court — they were already inclined, particularly Raffaele, as revealed by his reading of books and viewing of films of this sort, as well as the use of mind-altering substances. The injuries and the homicide were neither planned nor intended as a direct purpose of their actions, but accepted, at any rate, as a predictable outcome [evoluzione] of the latter.
Whence the culpability of both defendants with respect to all the crimes attributed to them (murder, staging of a crime, unlawful carrying of a knife [porto abusivo di coltello], theft of phones).
Concerning the crime of calumny against Patrick Lumumba, the Court observes that, since obviously Amanda Knox knew very well how things had happened, she was clearly aware of [Lumumba’s] total innocence, and nor was there evidence to substantiate her claim that she accused Patrick Lumumba because she was somehow convinced that this was what the Police wanted from her: to give the name of a guilty party, by whatever means.
In determining the sentence, the Court held the crime of sexual violence to be absorbed into the more serious crime of murder as a special aggravating circumstance, while it rejected the aggravating circumstance of disabling the victim’s defenses [la minorata difesa] on the consideration that Meredith Kercher, when she was attacked, was in her own room, awake, and still dressed, in conditions of full consciousness and complete reactive capacity; and it also rejected the aggravating circumstance of futile reasons, due to its being alleged in an entirely general manner.
Both defendants were granted mitigating circumstances due to being extremely young, without criminal records or pending charges, and with a lifestyle [condotta di vita] that, apart from the personal use of mind-altering substances, was deserving of appreciation (involved in studies, work, helpful toward others), and finally far from their repsective families, from the proximity and control that they still needed.
The mitigating circumstances were held to be equivalent to the special aggravating circumstance alleged.
From Hellmann:
nally, the Corte di Assise confronts the difficulty of explaining such cruel conduct in the absence of a plausible motive, and, ruling out premeditation, finds that what happened was on the one hand the product of a set of random circumstances, and on the other hand of a choice of extreme experimentation, a choice of evil for the sake of evil. As the Corte di Assise would have it, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, happening to find themselves with a free evening (Amanda Knox no longer had to go to work, and Raffaele Sollecito no longer had to accompany a friend to the bus station), went to Amanda Knox’s house, where, perhaps after having made use of mind-altering substances, they proceeded to make love in her room. But Rudy Guede was also present in the same apartment (either because he went there together with the other two, or because he was let in later), and he, after having been in the bathroom (and having left his own feces in the toilet without flushing), found himself in an environment full of erotic temptations [sollecitazioni]: Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in her room making love, and a girl alone in her own room, Meredith Kercher, who thus became a predestined object of desire. Rejected by her, Rudy Guede, instead of running away, persevered in the attempt to achieve his intentions…but at this point, evidently alerted by the commotion, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox rushed into Meredith Kercher’s room and, instead of defending her, took the side of Rudy Guede, in order to experience this new emotion: eros and violence, to which — according to the Court — they were already inclined, particularly Raffaele, as revealed by his reading of books and viewing of films of this sort, as well as the use of mind-altering substances. The injuries and the homicide were neither planned nor intended as a direct purpose of their actions, but accepted, at any rate, as a predictable outcome [evoluzione] of the latter.
Whence the culpability of both defendants with respect to all the crimes attributed to them (murder, staging of a crime, unlawful carrying of a knife [porto abusivo di coltello], theft of phones).
Concerning the crime of calumny against Patrick Lumumba, the Court observes that, since obviously Amanda Knox knew very well how things had happened, she was clearly aware of [Lumumba’s] total innocence, and nor was there evidence to substantiate her claim that she accused Patrick Lumumba because she was somehow convinced that this was what the Police wanted from her: to give the name of a guilty party, by whatever means.
In determining the sentence, the Court held the crime of sexual violence to be absorbed into the more serious crime of murder as a special aggravating circumstance, while it rejected the aggravating circumstance of disabling the victim’s defenses [la minorata difesa] on the consideration that Meredith Kercher, when she was attacked, was in her own room, awake, and still dressed, in conditions of full consciousness and complete reactive capacity; and it also rejected the aggravating circumstance of futile reasons, due to its being alleged in an entirely general manner.
Both defendants were granted mitigating circumstances due to being extremely young, without criminal records or pending charges, and with a lifestyle [condotta di vita] that, apart from the personal use of mind-altering substances, was deserving of appreciation (involved in studies, work, helpful toward others), and finally far from their repsective families, from the proximity and control that they still needed.
The mitigating circumstances were held to be equivalent to the special aggravating circumstance alleged.
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While there is evidence that Rudy did have a SIM purchased in his own name, that SIM was in the phone stollen from the lawyers office and likely confiscated by the Milan police. From the statements of the spanish girls, Rudy would not give out his own number but would take theirs and call them. One statement indicated that Rudy had a regular number he used but he sometimes called from a different number.
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Vixen
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The DNA almost certainly comes from leucocytes, the white blood cells. DNA is not deposited that easily.
Vixen
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Amanda, by her own account, slept with guys she had only just met.
RWVBWL
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Really?
So what the heck was Rudy Guede doin' to Meredith
to have left his DNA inside of her???
Kaosium
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Vixen, when they take someone's DNA they use a cheek swab, no blood is involved. Wouldn't it be obvious that someone's saliva is a primary source of DNA what with all the cheek cells that get into it?
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The police photographed the "scratch" when Amanda was arrested. I found an identical image in the Urban Dictionary under "hickey". The image was so similar that I was able to fool the guilters and for a while they had my clipping of the hickey posted on their site thinking it was their scratch evidence. Guilters are so gullible because they don't scrutinize the evidence. They accept anything that confirms their preset belief.
Vixen
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Mez had a lamp of her own, which was also in the room.
The astonishing thing about this lamp was there were no fingerprints at all of Amanda's, she didn't report it missing, and she was evasive under oath that it belonged to her.
Rudy said there was a lot of blood in the hallway - and if Mez was assaulted near her door it would explain Raf and Amanda's gloating brags they left no trace - which was not apparent when the postal police turned up. Rudy is a liar. Yet, what happened to all the blood in the hallway, with just Rudy's shoeprints left?
Vixen
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From Hellmann referring to Massei:
nally, the Corte di Assise confronts the difficulty of explaining such cruel conduct in the absence of a plausible motive, and, ruling out premeditation, finds that what happened was on the one hand the product of a set of random circumstances, and on the other hand of a choice of extreme experimentation, a choice of evil for the sake of evil. As the Corte di Assise would have it, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, happening to find themselves with a free evening (Amanda Knox no longer had to go to work, and Raffaele Sollecito no longer had to accompany a friend to the bus station), went to Amanda Knox’s house, where, perhaps after having made use of mind-altering substances, they proceeded to make love in her room. But Rudy Guede was also present in the same apartment (either because he went there together with the other two, or because he was let in later), and he, after having been in the bathroom (and having left his own feces in the toilet without flushing), found himself in an environment full of erotic temptations [sollecitazioni]: Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in her room making love, and a girl alone in her own room, Meredith Kercher, who thus became a predestined object of desire. Rejected by her, Rudy Guede, instead of running away, persevered in the attempt to achieve his intentions…but at this point, evidently alerted by the commotion, Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox rushed into Meredith Kercher’s room and, instead of defending her, took the side of Rudy Guede, in order to experience this new emotion: eros and violence, to which — according to the Court — they were already inclined, particularly Raffaele, as revealed by his reading of books and viewing of films of this sort, as well as the use of mind-altering substances. The injuries and the homicide were neither planned nor intended as a direct purpose of their actions, but accepted, at any rate, as a predictable outcome [evoluzione] of the latter.
Whence the culpability of both defendants with respect to all the crimes attributed to them (murder, staging of a crime, unlawful carrying of a knife [porto abusivo di coltello], theft of phones).
Concerning the crime of calumny against Patrick Lumumba, the Court observes that, since obviously Amanda Knox knew very well how things had happened, she was clearly aware of [Lumumba’s] total innocence, and nor was there evidence to substantiate her claim that she accused Patrick Lumumba because she was somehow convinced that this was what the Police wanted from her: to give the name of a guilty party, by whatever means.
In determining the sentence, the Court held the crime of sexual violence to be absorbed into the more serious crime of murder as a special aggravating circumstance, while it rejected the aggravating circumstance of disabling the victim’s defenses [la minorata difesa] on the consideration that Meredith Kercher, when she was attacked, was in her own room, awake, and still dressed, in conditions of full consciousness and complete reactive capacity; and it also rejected the aggravating circumstance of futile reasons, due to its being alleged in an entirely general manner.
Both defendants were granted mitigating circumstances due to being extremely young, without criminal records or pending charges, and with a lifestyle [condotta di vita] that, apart from the personal use of mind-altering substances, was deserving of appreciation (involved in studies, work, helpful toward others), and finally far from their repsective families, from the proximity and control that they still needed.
The mitigating circumstances were held to be equivalent to the special aggravating circumstance alleged.
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magical cleaning fluid to the rescue
How can blood have been cleaned from the knife yet DNA remain? For example, bleach is very efficient at destroying DNA, as a paper coauthored by Andrus and Prinz showed.
Excuse me, but you are making a claims that is utterly unscientific. The presence of DNA is not a test for blood. If you want to know for certain that you have blood, you must use a presumptive test, followed by a confirmatory test, such as HemaTrace. It is quite easy for DNA to be deposited and for it to move around, as a number of recent studies coauthored by Goray have pointed out. I have cited them in these threads.
How can blood have been cleaned from the knife yet DNA remain? For example, bleach is very efficient at destroying DNA, as a paper coauthored by Andrus and Prinz showed.
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That's not the sex orgy gone wrong scenario, that's the rape scenario where Amanda and Raffaele take Rudy's side.
RWVBWL
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Too Funny!
Dan O. foolin' guilters!!!
dan O. said:
The hickey Raff gave his girl Amanda can be seen up a few posts above this one...
RW
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Vixen
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It doesn't really matter, as whether outside or in, the police, forensics and prosecutors determined in their highly qualified expertise - teams of the best science graduates of their generation - the "burglary" was faked; a mise en scene; put on, bogus, dodgy, dubious, Dutch, rotten, scammed, suspicious, dud, fraudulent, forged, theatrical.
Only Raf has the noticeable hammer toe.
Vixen
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I can't claim to be a biogeneticist. However, prosecution, defense and court accepted it was a strong Mez DNA profile on the blade, albeit LCN.
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What was the DNA result for the sample taken from the faucet?
Note: that is "Rep. 24, blood from sink faucet". http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/selected_dna_results.pdf
Vixen
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It's in the court testimony.
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