Is Chipotle promoting food woo?

ThunderChunky said:
They don't have integrity though. They are still using cheese made with GMO rennet (while claiming that it's not) and they switched from one herbicide resistant crop to another herbicide resistant crop. It's pure marketing and woo.
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They are talking about Monsanto, I believe Chipolte is owned by Coca Cola which is another great GMO product that you should probably be drinking to counter of all the bad woo against it.
 
portlandatheist said:
I honestly have no idea of how to respond to this. I'm an armature gardener and as such, I bet you have a lot of great quality advice for me...but also a lot of crap as well. Integrity you say? They are jumping ship from a veggie oil that's patent is expiring this very year to a freshly patented crop. To a company that is much bigger than Monsanto. Chipotle doesn't have standards, they have a marketing strategy. They pretend that cheese is not a GMO product. And so on...
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You think it is about marketing only?

CARNITAS SHORTAGE FAQ
DUE TO A SHORTAGE OF RESPONSIBLY RAISED® PORK, SOME CHIPOTLE RESTAURANTS ARE TEMPORARILY UNABLE TO SERVE CARNITAS. REST ASSURED THAT OUR TEAMS ARE WORKING HARD TO GET CARNITAS BACK INTO THOSE RESTAURANTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

While we know that many of our customers enjoy our carnitas, we would prefer not to serve pork at all, than serve pork from animals raised in the confinement conditions associated with conventionally raised pigs.
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Now that is the biggest nightmare for any fast food. Running out of food and loosing customers. Yet they would rather not make that money than make it in an unethical manner. (which I am sure they could easily slide in a few pork shoulders from outside suppliers quietly and no one would have been the wiser) That shows they are a company with integrity.

You may not like their stance on GMOs. You might not like their stance on meat. (although that second one would prove you are insane) That doesn't change the fact that they have principles and are sticking to them.

ThunderChunky said:
They don't have integrity though. They are still using cheese made with GMO rennet (while claiming that it's not) and they switched from one herbicide resistant crop to another herbicide resistant crop. It's pure marketing and woo
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It's true they haven't gone far enough...yet. They could do more. I suspect it is a process that is continuing.
 
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Red Baron Farms said:
It's true they haven't gone far enough...yet. They could do more. I suspect it is a process that is continuing.
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It's proof they lack integrity and standards. They have no plans to change their cheese. In fact they are defending it by claiming it's not a GMO product even though it is made with GMO rennet. But hey, they switched to sunflower oil and changed their corn supplier. Time to hike up the prices!
 
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MinnesotaBrant said:
They are talking about Monsanto, I believe Chipolte is owned by Coca Cola which is another great GMO product that you should probably be drinking to counter of all the bad woo against it.
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Last time I was in chipotle they were serving coca cola. Since I've now learned about the astounding integrity of the chipotle organization, I must assume coca cola is GMO free.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
You think it is about marketing only?
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Predominantly about marketing.

CARNITAS SHORTAGE FAQ
DUE TO A SHORTAGE OF RESPONSIBLY RAISED® PORK, SOME CHIPOTLE RESTAURANTS ARE TEMPORARILY UNABLE TO SERVE CARNITAS. REST ASSURED THAT OUR TEAMS ARE WORKING HARD TO GET CARNITAS BACK INTO THOSE RESTAURANTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.



Now that is the biggest nightmare for any fast food. Running out of food and loosing customers. Yet they would rather not make that money than make it in an unethical manner. (which I am sure they could easily slide in a few pork shoulders from outside suppliers quietly and no one would have been the wiser) That shows they are a company with integrity.
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I'm pretty sure that the biggest nightmare of any company--fast food or otherwise--is misjudging their market and making the wrong set of trade-offs.

Once they've committed to an anti-GMO marketing campaign, losing a non-GMO ingredient leaves them with little choice but to make a virtue of necessity, and hope that their anti-GMO target demographic will stay loyal to them for their "integrity" rather than dump them for their lack of non-GMO carnitas.

You may not like their stance on GMOs. You might not like their stance on meat. (although that second one would prove you are insane) That doesn't change the fact that they have principles and are sticking to them.
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Sticking to flawed principles is hardly admirable. But I don't think that's necessarily what they're doing. Another possibility is that they have an anti-GMO marketing campaign and are sticking to it. Their current behavior makes strategic sense in that context alone, without requiring any strong principles to motivate it.

It's true they haven't gone far enough...yet. They could do more. I suspect it is a process that is continuing.
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Excuses, excuses. I suspect the process is driven predominantly by public enthusiasm for anti-GMO sentiment, and that it will continue at exactly the rate, in exactly the direction, determined by the intersection of public demand and affordable supply.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
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Now that is the biggest nightmare for any fast food. Running out of food and loosing customers. Yet they would rather not make that money than make it in an unethical manner. (which I am sure they could easily slide in a few pork shoulders from outside suppliers quietly and no one would have been the wiser) That shows they are a company with integrity..
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Like Dominos. I mean, what kind of company would run an ad campaign announcing that their pizza sucks and they need to change it? Despite the fact that it was a perfectly viable, profitable company at the time. You think they did that because of their principles and their goal to make better pizza?

Or maybe it because they knew it had the potential to be one of the best marketing campaigns in history? I mean, right up there with adding, "Repeat" to the instructions on the shampoo bottle ("Lather. Rinse. Repeat.") in terms of success.
 
pgwenthold said:
Like Dominos. I mean, what kind of company would run an ad campaign announcing that their pizza sucks and they need to change it? Despite the fact that it was a perfectly viable, profitable company at the time. You think they did that because of their principles and their goal to make better pizza?

Or maybe it because they knew it had the potential to be one of the best marketing campaigns in history? I mean, right up there with adding, "Repeat" to the instructions on the shampoo bottle ("Lather. Rinse. Repeat.") in terms of success.
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I don't buy Domino's pizza and never will ever again ever.:mad: Been about 30 years so far that I boycotted them. Doesn't matter if they make the best damn Pizza ever created on God's Green Earth, with the best advertising campaign ever. Which of course is ridiculous anyway.

However the point is that Chipotle's is filling a demand, not the other way around. (or in the case of carnitas trying to fill a demand but falling short because the demand is larger than the supply)
 
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Red Baron Farms said:
I don't buy Domino's pizza and never will ever again ever.:mad: Been about 30 years so far that I boycotted them. Doesn't matter if they make the best damn Pizza ever created on God's Green Earth, with the best advertising campaign ever. Which of course is ridiculous anyway.
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Which is irrelevant. The question is, do you think they did it because they were principled and had integrity? Or do you think it was a marketing campaign?

You tried to use Chipotle's self-defeating ad as evidence that they have "integrity." However, Dominos did the same thing, and it was very clearly a marketing campaign, and had nothing to do with integrity.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
However the point is that Chipotle's is filling a demand, not the other way around. (or in the case of carnitas trying to fill a demand but falling short because the demand is larger than the supply)
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Yes, and what demand is Chipotle trying to fill? Demand for carnitas dishes, obviously. But obviously also a demand for Cal-Mex cuisine with anti-GMO "integrity". When confronted with a shortage of "responsibly-raised pork", which demand will they prioritize, and why?

And also, if the point is that Chipotle is filling a demand, then their behavior can be explained entirely by their desire to profit from filling that demand. No need for them to have any principles or integrity at all, just pure greed.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
I don't buy Domino's pizza and never will ever again ever.:mad: Been about 30 years so far that I boycotted them. Doesn't matter if they make the best damn Pizza ever created on God's Green Earth, with the best advertising campaign ever. Which of course is ridiculous anyway.

However the point is that Chipotle's is filling a demand, not the other way around. (or in the case of carnitas trying to fill a demand but falling short because the demand is larger than the supply)
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Anti-vaxxers and creationists fill a demand too. A demand for woo.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
I don't buy Domino's pizza and never will ever again ever.: mad : Been about 30 years so far that I boycotted them. Doesn't matter if they make the best damn Pizza ever created on God's Green Earth, with the best advertising campaign ever. Which of course is ridiculous anyway.
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I agree that Domino's is pretty ridiculous anyway, but now I'm curious: Why wouldn't you buy Domino's pizza even if it were the best pizza ever made? Do you just not like pizza?

Did they commit some grave sin against you 30 years ago, and you have resolved not to forgive them no matter how much things might change since that time?
 
theprestige said:
I agree that Domino's is pretty ridiculous anyway, but now I'm curious: Why wouldn't you buy Domino's pizza even if it were the best pizza ever made?

Did they commit some grave sin against you 30 years ago, and you have resolved not to forgive them no matter how much things might change since that time?
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Yes, but it is off topic anyway. So it won't matter to anyone here.

As far as the others arguing about Chipotle's decision to eliminate certain GMO products from their menu: There are reasons to legitimately boycott certain GMOs, but even if there wasn't, what business do you have choosing what other people eat? None of your damn business. I won't ever eat a horse, but there is no scientific reason why I couldn't. Still not changing my mind though. If Chipotles wants to supply a demand that has already existed long before their menu change then that's their business and their business will either survive and profit, or dwindle and fail according to their business decisions. You want to boycott them for boycotting certain GMOs, go ahead. But taking a position that they need to use GMOs just because you think they should, is equally ridiculous if not more so.
 
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MinnesotaBrant said:
Actually there has been some harmful GMO corn created as feed for cattle and some of that has crept into the food supply. I can't remember if anybody was hurt or not.
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Citation needed, obviously.

MinnesotaBrant said:
I though FOOD Inc. was a thought provoking movie and I think that any person who wants to discuss GMOs in an intelligent way should go see it.
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Why am I not surprised?
 
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