Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Vixen is also arguing for the truthfulness long since debunked evidence.

That Raffaele called 1-1-2 AFTER the arrival of the Postal Police. Vixen seems to be following Nencini's factoid-reasoning, which was that Raffaele slipped away as Meredith was being discovered. That factoid doesn't even line-up with the known timing of the calls, all laid out in Massei's report.

As acbytesla said:

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Yes, why is that?

Vixen is also arguing that Raffaele threw Amanda under a bus at his press conference. Vixen thinks that is factual, yet cannot provide any evidence - more to the point, Raffaele's own appeal document, the amendment AND the final exoneration on Mar 27, an exoneration for them both, disprove the claim.

Vixen also argues that AK and RS were, in fact, at the crimescene. Also that they always changed their stories. This ignores the fact that once they had lawyers, and once they understood what they were up against, their stories have not changed in 7 years.

Vixen also implies that Judge Massei convicted them partly on evidence of their psychopathology, although Massei did not need to mention that in his motivations report. Vixen claims that failing to mention it, doesn't necessarily mean Massei didn't think it!

So to cut to the chase, I wish Vixen would address LJ's post:

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Apologies in advance if I missed the reply.

Legally, Amanda and Raf are innocent.

My view is the murder was a vampire fantasy, perhaps based on Blood:The Last Vampire, or similar, based on Manga, and which takes place at Halloween. The perps decided Mez was a vampire who needed to be slayed, with the female taking on the role of Saya, the vampire slayer.

It was a good idea at the time, whilst high on illegal class A drugs.

Come morning light - oh-oh! - it was clear deflection was needed, hence the staged burglary.

Amanda brags how she's staged burglaries before.

Raf brags in _Honor [sic] Bound_ he deflected cops away before in his possession of drugs charge.

As the pair are innocent, clearly there are dopfelgangers out there pretending to be them, to fit them up. Rudy is so incredibly clever, by a double bluff, he managed to do all this and cunningly make the crime look like Amanda and Raf were involved.


Thank goodness for ppl like Hellmann or Bruno, who were not fooled by this dastardly plot, masterminded by Mignini and Curatalo, with the moron Rudy as the fall guy.

 

[Vixen]

After trying to get along with the pitchfork carrying villagers here on the thread, Vixen has made a number of allegations. These allegations about the 7 1/2 year legal odyssey wrongfully visited upon K and RS have, in detail, warranted these responses from posters here.....

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Reviewing the contributions here, Vixen makes assertions, never answers questions, and moves on to the next long-since discredited former-guilter-PR talking point.

Logical fallacy #6 Bill: "appealing to the

crowd

er, pitchforked villagers

 

[Vixen]

That idiotic contention by the prosecution was dismissed in a parenthetical aside by Massei at the trial of the first instance. What happened was the police reversed the polarity of the time difference (~10-12 minutes) on the CCTV camera and made their case as if it was 10-12 minutes fast instead of 10-12 minutes slow like it actually was. The defense used the CCTV camera and the cell phone records (which are exact) to disprove that.

Nencini just took every prosecution contention that he thought helped his motivations at face value regardless of whether it had been disproven, dismissed or never even adduced (some of it was from Rudy Guede's trial!) in court against Amanda and Raffaele. Even the bunnies were embarrassed by it according to quotes from there which got posted here.


The ISC took one look at Nencini's report and whipped it out and watered it down!

Even if the times are as you claim, Amanda and Raf calling the police was very late in the day. If we accept the postale police arrived at 12:45, rather than 12:35, Amanda and Raf's phone call was not registered until 12:47, and ringing mum, Edda, circa 12:57 As Amanda had raised the alarm with Filomena 12:07 and 12:34, together with frantically banging on Mez' door and climbing on her window ledge [as per email home] why be so backward? Why hide in the kitchen when F and Luca battered down the door 13:05?

 

[Kauffer]

Yes they did. They firmly believed the burglary was fake for several reasons. Nothing taken, glass on top of clothes, Raf's 911 call stating nothing taken instead of I don't know, the apparent difficulty of the window relative to other windows, imprecise recounting of the time just 15 hours before, the Mansey story, the fact they discovered the crime and yes her quirky behavior.

The only thing in your list above that is directly against Amanda is her "quirky" behaviour. If PLE hadn't regarded the burglary as fake, it wouldn't have got a mention, because it couldn't have been related to anything criminal.

I'm not objecting to the fact of the suspicion of Amanda, merely to a claim that their was good reason to suspect her. As far as the burglary is concerned, it's perfectly ok to have a line of enquiry - any enquiry, but what you can't do is make an assumption, not test it and for your untested assumption to find itself not only part of a prosecutor's case but actually underpinning a guilty verdict.

The funny thing about the nothing stolen phone call was that Battustelli, Romanelli and Altieri said the same thing. Moreover, if the glass was on top of the clothes, it was also on the floor and underneath the clothes too. Nobody asked the right questions and only about four forensic tests were conducted, not including shard analysis.

 

[Vixen]

It's only a question of time before she mentions the lamp. I'll be ready.

Your name's not Davy, is it?

 

[RWVBWL]

Haggardly...

You know,
when I re-read, from my last post up above,
of Rudy's conversation with PM Mignini, again,
I wonder why Rudy, out and about in another town, for a bro's birthday party and some dancing,
looks soooo disheavled in the Milan Questura photo's here:

They were taken after Maria Del Prato's nursery school cook out,
sleep over + internet surf session usage, right?
(Wait a sec, that surf session mighta been disrupted by the arrival of Maria and her locksmith, hahaha.)

Or were these mug shots taken on another day,
say around October 8, 2007?

That'd be interesting to know,
was Rudy in Milan when Del Prato had her business ripped off of $2000 Euro?

Hmmmm,
1/3 to Guede,
2/3rds to the insider, the worker,
or whomever it was that let him in?

$666 Euros would surly have helped "Poor Rudy" pay the $320 Euro rent of his,
and still give him, a dude without a job,
some $$$ to party...

Of course all of this is speculation,
but, but, but a, Rudy Guede sure looks a bit haggard in the Milan Police Mug Shots up above.

ETA:
Especially when comparing the mug shot to another one,
1 from Polizia Scientifica Perugia:

 

[bagels]

IIRC It was in Nencini, after having fully assessed the defense argument it was before, and dismissing it, based on evidence, including cctv, wherein the carabinieri are captured arriving circa 13.26, thus resetting the times for all other times.

13:26 is when the patrol car calls dispatch asking for directions, so they can't have arrived at the cottage at the same time they were asking for directions to it.

 

[Grinder]

This too:
"At a nursery school in Milan a week later, director Maria Antonietta Salvadori Del Prato, walked in on a Saturday and found Guede sitting at her desk, she told me in an interview. She called police. They found the stolen laptop and a knife in his pack. Del Prato suspected he might have gotten a key to the nursery school from one of her employees who frequented the Milan club scene. Del Prato told me she believed he spent a night on the children's cots and cooked a pot of pasta in the kitchen, then placed it in little bowls around the room."

Noticed no linky and it turns out to come from ole Nina Burleigh in an opinion piece in CNN without quotes. I don't trust her work without corroboration. I've done a quit look and it seems all the references emanated from Nina. I watched the video Del Prato made and she didn't mention this theory.

I do actually believe it may be accurate or close as the place allegedly had been broken into before and thousands in cash stolen which, if a key were used, would cause me to change the locks immediately.

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[carbonjam72]

{Highlighting added to quote.}

I will rephrase your statement a bit:

The reasons given by the police for thinking a break-in was staged, may have been honest but incompetent, or trumped up. I'd be careful about making assumptions in this regard, there's too many other elements that the police have suppressed in part, lied about, or not at all disclosed but which are in play.

{Italicized text added.}

I strongly agree with your statement, especially when combined with the small but important additions I have inserted.

Nice work Numbers. I agree with your edits.

 

[Bill Williams]

IIRC It was in Nencini, after having fully assessed the defense argument it was before, and dismissing it, based on evidence, including cctv, wherein the carabinieri are captured arriving circa 13.26, thus resetting the times for all other times.

Why Vixen is referencing Nencini is beyond me. Nencini has Sollecito slipping away AFTER Meredith is found..... and the call logs don't support that.

Let's just agree that Nencini has been annuled and move on, ok?

 

[Vixen]

See this following site for: Claim to have founded 4 sigma society. Note criticisms of Mensa members.
http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/4sigma/about.html

Source of exact quote below (including its "unique" spellings):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=four+sigma+society&defid=406866

I am only up to 1/1500 (i.e., 99.96% or 0.04% apx +3.20sd>). However, as John Lennon astutely pointed out, "They hate you if you're clever."

To put it in perspective, you could say the same for any normal distribution. Ladies > 6'2" perhaps 0.01%, yet walking around city streets you see them all the time.

 

[Grinder]

Legally, Amanda and Raf are innocent.

It was a good idea at the time, whilst high on illegal class A drugs.

Come morning light - oh-oh! - it was clear deflection was needed, hence the staged burglary.

Amanda brags how she's staged burglaries before.

R

What drugs were they high on that didn't show up on the tests of their hair?

Did Rudi come back with them and get the glass in his shoe?

What burglary did she brag about? You don't mean the one on April Fools' Day when they actually took something and didn't break a window or door?

 

[acbytesla]

As for Raf turning up "stoned". Not wise?

We agree on something. It obviously wasn't wise. But I think this makes it clear that Raffaele didn't think he had anything to worry about. He knew he wasn't involved and he knew virtually nothing that could help. It's really the obvious difference in demeanor between someone who knows that they are innocent and someone would is guilty. One is for the most part relaxed,even in different and the other is in a panic and runs. Case in point, Amanda and Raffaele stayed and Rudy flees the country.

 

[carbonjam72]

Queen of the Valkyries

All English ppl say "whilst."

Your logic that CoulsdonUK must be me because we share a common English word reeks of paranoia.

"Into your life it will creep" - Stephen Stills FWIW

I argued that you were not in fact Coulsdon. However, I am going back to questioning if you're a girl.

Not that it matters, arguments should be accepted or rejected based on merit, not on personal characteristics of the presenters.

Speaking of which, any progress on finding a single paragraph out of whack with Hellman?

For me, this is really a bellweather question. I don't think a reasonable person can prefer any convicting judges over Hellman. On its face, Hellman was well reasoned, and the others were absurd. The test of that statement is in the Hellman motivation report itself. I've only asked for one clunker of a paragraph. It should be easy for you, if you were really serious about this argument that Hellman is off.

I'm not saying this to give you grief. Nor am I expecting you to comply. I think you are after other fish, in another dimension few of us can perceive or relate to. I don't mean that in a bad way. Welcome back, regardless of gender.

 

[Grinder]

Or were these mug shots taken on another day,
say around October 8, 2007?

That'd be interesting to know,
was Rudy in Milan when Del Prato had her business ripped off of $2000 Euro?

Hmmmm,
1/3 to Guede,
2/3rds to the insider, the worker,
or whomever it was that let him in?

Surprised Nina didn't nail that one. You really think he's return there knowing a major felony had been done?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Heaven help us

Someone help us out here. Was there not some additional information, perhaps (Luca's?) phone records, perhaps testimony, that came to light in the last few months that bears on the question of when the postal police arrived?

 

[Vixen]

One thing I would like to see, whether from Vixen or any PGP, is not only an acknowledgement of error but also an indication of the affect on their overall assessment of the case of the correction. They usually run away, change the subject or engage in some other evasion. When I learned the bleach receipts story was just a lie, I realised the case included lies and that it was being made by liars. That put me on the alert and raised the bar for other prosecution claims (virtually all of which have proved to be lies too). I shall be interested to see whether the high-powered brain of a 99.99% person like Vixen is proof against the human failings which distort thinking and inhibit honesty.

Let's start with the question, why do you think the police showed so much interest in the two bottles of ACE bleach under Raf's sink?

 

[Vixen]

Often, along with the top end of intelligence is enhanced pattern recognition (see A Beautiful Mind for a depiction of what I am talking about). In addition to actual patterns, there are false patterns that emerge from the chaos. It takes discipline to properly sort the wheat from the chaff. Without discipline the false patterns can develope into delusions and that can create paranoia. There is clearly an alternate developmental path for delusions and paranoia that is detached from intelegence and pattern recognition.

The protagonist in 'A Beautiful Mind' suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.

 

[Vixen]

http://www.amazon.com/Nick-van-der-Leek/e/B00OW1IC44

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I couldn't help but notice some idiot who claims who be a true crime author who recently wrote a book about Jodi Arias tweeted a week or so ago that he was writing a book about the Kercher case and he's been tweeting old inaccurate articles from years ago. He's a bit of a Johnny come lately if you ask me. There's already been two dozen books and documentaries.

Around the same time a new troll account appeared using the handle "CCTV" and has been tweeting stupid memes and old articles asking people to discuss the case with him. He hasn't been getting many bites.

And here you are. You seem to have followed quite a few murder cases but are hopelessly misinformed about this one.....just like the two accounts on twitter. Maybe it's just a coincidence.

Are you Nick and writing a book about the case?

I am an author, but no, no plans to write anything up on this.

 

[RWVBWL]

Surprised Nina didn't nail that one. You really think he's return there knowing a major felony had been done?

It would not even surprise me, Grinder,
if Rudy went back to the scene of 1 of his crimes.

Heck,
he did so at The Lawyers Office, right?